Posts Tagged ‘Tathagata’

Peaceful Buddha for waging defensive war if attacked by enemy

June 21, 2013
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I wrote following posts on the forum <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the thread/topic < Peaceful Buddha for waging defensive war if attacked by enemy>. I give below the posts for viewers of this blog; to see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.

Paarsurrey wrote:

#1  Buddha says:

“And the Blessed One said: “The Tathagata is like unto a powerful king who rules his kingdom with righteousness, but being attacked by envious enemies goes out to wage war against his foes. When the king sees his soldiers fight he is delighted with their gallantry and will bestow upon them donations of all kinds. Ye are the soldiers of the Tathagata, while Mara, the Evil One, is the enemy who must be conquered. And the Tathagata will give to his soldiers the city of Nirvana, the great capital of the good law. And when the enemy is overcome, the Dharma-raja, the great king of truth, will bestow upon all his disciples the most precious crown which jewel brings perfect enlightenment, supreme wisdom, and undisturbed peace.” 26
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The Gospel of Buddha by Paul Carus Chapter: XLVII. THE PREACHER’S MISSION.

http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Budd…ul%20Carus.pdf

#9  This is exactly what Krishna did with his adversaries.

This tells us that all revealed religions in origin are from one source of the one true God.

#12   If the example or the metaphor did not fit in case of Buddha; he would have not spoken about it.

I don’t agree with you.

#19 As Buddha explained, please refer to the OP; Moses did the same.
So Buddha, Krishna and Moses tread the same path, the only rational and middle path.

All three are comparable. in my opinion.

Buddha: Preaching is an essential part of his revealed religion

June 16, 2013
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The Preacher’s Mission
And the Blessed One said to his disciples: [1]
“When I have passed away and can no longer address you
and edify your minds with religious discourse,
select from among you men of good family and education
to preach the truth in my stead.
And let those men be invested with the robes of the Tathagata,
let them enter into the abode of the Tathagata,
and occupy the pulpit of the Tathagata. [2]
“The robe of the Tathagata is sublime forbearance and patience.
The abode of the Tathagata is charity and love of all beings.
The pulpit of the Tathagata is the comprehension of the good law
in its abstract meaning as well as in its particular application. [3]
“The preacher must propound the truth with unshrinking mind.
He must have the power of persuasion rooted in virtue
and in strict fidelity to his vows. [4]
“The preacher must keep in his proper sphere and be steady in his course.
He must not flatter his vanity by seeking the company of the great,
nor must he keep company with persons who are frivolous and immoral.
When in temptation, he should constantly think of the Buddha and he will conquer. [5]
“All who come to hear the doctrine,
the preacher must receive with benevolence,
and his sermon must be without invidiousness. [6]
“The preacher must not be prone to carp at others,
or to blame other preachers; nor speak scandal, nor propagate bitter words.
He must not mention by name other disciples
to vituperate them and reproach their demeanour. [7]
“Clad in a clean robe, dyed with good colour with appropriate undergarments,
he must ascend the pulpit with a mind free from blame and at peace with the whole world. [8]
“He must not take delight in querulous desputations
or engage in controversies so as to show the superiority of his talents,
but be calm and composed. [9]
“No hostile feelings shall reside in his heart,
and he must never abandon the disposition of charity toward all beings.
His sole aim must be that all beings become Buddhas. [10]
“Let the preacher apply himself with zeal to his work,
and the Tathagata will show to him
the body of the holy law in its transcendent glory.
He shall be honoured as one whom the Tathagata has blessed.
The Tathagata blesses the preacher
and also those who reverently listen to him
and joyfully accept the doctrine. [11]Gospel of Buddha Chapter 47 Verses 1-11 Page 127-128

Buddha, Krishna and Moses trod the same path

May 15, 2013

I have written the following post on my favourite discussion forum; the topic is“Peaceful Buddha for waging defensive war if attacked by enemy” < http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/147887-peaceful-buddha-waging-defensive-war-if-2.html>; one could view the same and comment there or in this blog paarsurrey, my pleasure.

Paarsurrey says: 

Post  #1 Buddha says:

“And the Blessed One said: “The Tathagata is like unto a powerful king who rules his kingdom with righteousness, but being attacked by envious enemies goes out to wage war against his foes. When the king sees his soldiers fight he is delighted with their gallantry and will bestow upon them donations of all kinds. Ye are the soldiers of the Tathagata, while Mara, the Evil One, is the enemy who must be conquered. And the Tathagata will give to his soldiers the city of Nirvana, the great capital of the good law. And when the enemy is overcome, the Dharma-raja, the great king of truth, will bestow upon all his disciples the most precious crown which jewel brings perfect enlightenment, supreme wisdom, and undisturbed peace.” 26
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The Gospel of Buddha by Paul Carus Chapter: XLVII. THE PREACHER’S MISSION.

http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Budd…ul%20Carus.pdf

 

Post  #8   You can read it on-line, please:

http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Budd…ul%20Carus.pdf

No harm to have a hard copy though.

Post  #9  This is exactly what Krishna did with his adversaries.

This tells all revealed religions in origin are from one source of the one true God.

Post  #12  If the example or the metaphor did not fit in case of Buddha; he would have not spoken about it.

I don’t agree with you.

Post  #19  As Buddha explained, please refer to the OP; Moses did the same.

So Buddha, Krishna and Moses trod the same path, the only rational and middle path.

All three are comparable, in my opinion.

 

 

Buddha believed in one true God: Union with Brahma

March 31, 2013
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Gospel of Buddha

When the Buddha had thus spoken, one of the Brahmans said:
“We are told, Gotama, that the Sakyamuni knows the path to a union with Brahma.” 27
And the Blessed One said: “What do you think, O Brahmans, of a man born and brought up in Manasakata? Would he be in doubt about the most direct way from this spot to Manasakata?” 28
“Certainly not, Gotama.” 29
“Thus,” replied the Buddha, “the Tathagata knows the straightpath that leads to a union with Brahma. He knows it as one who has entered the world of Brahma and has been born in it. There can be no doubt in the Tathagata.” 30
And the two young Brahmans said: “If thou knowest the way show it to us.” 31
And the Buddha said: 32
“The Tathagata sees the universe face to face and understands its nature. He proclaims the truth both in its letter and in its spirit, and his doctrine is glorious in its origin, glorious in its progress, glorious in its consummation. The Tathagata reveals the higher life in its purity and perfection. He can show you the way to that which is contrary to the five great hindrances. 33

Page 142: Chapter XLIX. THE TWO BRAHMANS

http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Buddhism/The%20Gospel%20of%20Buddha%20-%20Paul%20Carus.pdf

Paarsurrey says:

The one true God is known by His attributes; naturally therefore in all regions of the world and in all languages He has different names but the same attributes.

Quran solves this issue:

[7:181] And to Allah alone belong all perfect attributes. So call on Him by these. And leave alone those who deviate from the right way with respect to His attributes. They shall be repaid for what they do.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=7&verse=180

[17:111] Say, ‘Call upon Allah or call upon Rahman; by whichever name you call Him, His are the most beautiful names.’ And utter not thy prayer aloud, nor utter it too low, but seek a way between.
[17:112] And say, ‘All praise belongs to Allah Who has taken unto Himself no son, and Who has no partner in His Kingdom, nor has He anyone to help Him on account of weakness.’ And extol His glory with all glorification.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=17&verse=110

[20:9] Allah — there is no God but He. His are the most beautiful names.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=20&verse=0

[59:25] He is Allah, the Creator, the Maker, the Fashioner. His are the most beautiful names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Him, and He is the Mighty, the Wise.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=59&verse=24

So, God Allah YHWH was in Buddha’s language named as Brahma.

Buddha believed Union with Brahma; that the right path was to acquire attributes of Him and that was the meaning of the union.

Buddha: Eradication of self

March 27, 2013

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Eradication of self / extinction of self / complete surrender of self / complete submission to the will of one true creator God Allah

Gospel of Buddha

And the Blessed One continued: “The Tathagata teaches that all warfare in which man tries to slay his brother is lamentable, but he does not teach that those who go to war in a righteous cause after having exhausted all means to preserve the peace are blameworthy. He must be blamed who is the cause of war.17
“The Tathagata teaches a complete surrender of self, but he does not teach a surrender of anything to those powers that are evil, be they men or gods or the elements of nature. Struggle must be, for all life is a struggle of some kind. But he that struggles should look to it lest he struggle in the interest of self against truth and righteousness.18
“He who struggles in the interest of self, so that he himself may be great or powerful or rich or famous, will have no reward, but he who struggles for righteousness and truth, will have great reward, for even his defeat will be a victory.19
“Self is not a fit vessel to receive any great success; self is small and brittle and its contents will soon be spilt for the benefit, and perhaps also for the curse, of others.20
“Truth, however, is large enough to receive the yearnings and aspirations of all selves and when the selves break like soap bubbles, their contents will be preserved and in the truth they will lead a life everlasting.21

Page: 147 (PDF: 174). Chapter LI. SIMHA’S QUESTION CONCERNING ANNIHILATION.
http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Buddhism/The%20Gospel%20of%20Buddha%20-%20Paul%20Carus.pdf

Paasurrey says:

Quran mention it in this way:

[2:113] Nay, whoever submits himself completely to Allah, and is the doer of good, shall have his reward with his Lord. No fear shall come upon such, neither shall they grieve.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=112

[79:41] But as for him who fears to stand before his Lord, and restrains his soul from evil desires,
[79:42] The Garden shall surely be his home.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=79&verse=40

Spiritual treasures distributed by Buddha and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

March 25, 2013

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Gospel of Buddha by Paul Carus

Story of Rahula – Buddha’s son

“When the Tathagata had finished his repast, he gave blessings and went away from the palace, but Rahula followed and asked his father for his inheritance. 9
No one prevented the boy, nor did the Blessed One himself. 10
Then the Blessed One turned to Sariputta, saying: “My son asks for his inheritance. I cannot give him perishable treasures that will bring cares and sorrows, but I can give him the inheritance of a holy life, which is a treasure that will not perish.” 11
Addressing Rahula with earnestness, the Blessed One said:
“Gold and silver and jewels are not in my possession. But if thou art willing to receive spiritual treasures, and art strong enough to carry them and to keep them, I shall give thee the four truths which will teach thee the eightfold path of righteousness. Dost thou desire to be admitted to the brotherhood of those who devote their life to the culture of the heart seeking for the highest bliss attainable?” 12
And Rahula replied with firmness: “I do. I want to join the brotherhood of the Buddha.” 13

Page:15 Chapter: XXIX Verses Verses:9-13

http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Buddhism/The%20Gospel%20of%20Buddha%20-%20Paul%20Carus.pdf

Treasures ditributed by of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad :

A hadith of the Holy Prophet(sa) is helpful in interpreting this verse. He is reported to have said that when ‘Isa, the son of Mary, will come, there will be an abundance of wealth, and this wealth will flow so abundantly that nobody will accept it. (See Bukhari, Kitabul Anbiya’ babu nuzule ‘isabne Maryam).

This Prophecy was magnificently fulfilled in the person of Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad(as) of Qadian, the Promised Messiah and Mahdi in whom various prophecies about the second coming of Jesus (Hadrat ‘Isa(as) have been fulfilled.

He himself declared that: “The treasures that laid buried for thousands years; are now being distributed by me to the one who is ready to accept them.” ([Translation of an Urdu couplet] Barahin-e-Ahmadiyyah, vol. 5, p. 117, Ruhani Khaza’in, vol. 21, p. 147) The Promised Messiah(as) wrote more than 91 books, and issued many announcements elucidating the deeper meanings of the Holy Quran and beauties of Islam.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Hidden-Treasures-of-Islam.pdf

Last days Similarities: Buddha and Ahmad

March 23, 2013

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Last days Similarities: Siddhartha (Gotama Buddha) and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the End time Buddha Messiah Reformer

Gospel of Buddha
THE BUDDHA ANNOUNCES HIS DEATH.

“And when Mara had thus spoken, Ananda, I answered him and said: ‘Make thyself happy, O wicked one; the final extinction of the Tathagata shall take place before long.'”3
“Behold, O brethren, the final extinction of the Tathagata will take place before long. I now exhort you, saying: ‘All component things must grow old and be dissolved again.
Seek ye for that which is permanent, and work out your salvation with diligence.'”20

Chapter: XCIV. THE BUDDHA ANNOUNCES HIS DEATH. Page 263 Verses:3,20
http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Buddhism/The%20Gospel%20of%20Buddha%20-%20Paul%20Carus.pdf

Paarsurrey Notes:

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the End time Buddha Messiah Reformer said that he had been revealed by the God-Almighty:

1. The appointed time of your death has come close and We shall leave no trace of anything the allusion to which might reflect adversely upon your honour.
2. Very little is left of the term which God has ordained with respect to you.
3. You will die while I am pleased with you.
4. “Very few days are left. On that day all will be saddened. This will happen, this will happen, this will take place.
5. Your event will take place after all other events and natural wonders have been demonstrated.”

http://www.alislam.org/library/articles/Al-Wassiyyat-Slides.pdf

Buddha believed in purdah

May 7, 2012

Buddha believed in purdah; looking at the opposite sex; men looking at the women or women looking at the men.

In the Indian sub-continent; one is not supposed to look at the women except with restraint.

But Buddha genuinely believed it, in my opinion. I think I should quote from him for your and others perusal, as mentioned in Gospel of Buddha:

“The Gospel of Buddha

The Bikkhu’s Conduct toward Women

The bhikkhus came to the Blessed One and asked him: [1]
“O Tathagata, our Lord and Master, 
what conduct toward women dost thou prescribe 
to the samanas who have left the world?” [2]

And the Blessed One said: [3]

“Guard against looking on a woman. [4]

“If ye see a woman, let it be as though ye saw her not, 
and have no conversation with her. [5]

“If, after all, ye must speak with her, 
let it be with a pure heart, 
and think to yourself, 
‘I as a samana will live in this sinful world 
as the spotless leaf of the lotus, 
unsoiled by the mud in which it grows.’ [6]

“If the woman be old, regard her as your mother, 
if young, as your sister, 
if very young, as your child. [7]

“The samana who looks on a woman as a woman, 
or touches her as a woman, has broken his vow 
and is no longer a disciple of the Tathagata. [8]
“The power of lust is great with men, 
and is to be feared withal;
take then the bow of earnest perseverance, 
and the sharp arrow-points of wisdom. [9]

“Cover your heads with the helmet of right thought, 
and fight wih fixed resolve against the five desires. [10]

“Lust beclouds a man’s heart, 
when it is confused with woman’s beauty, 
and the mind is dazed. [11]

“Better far with red-hot irons bore out both your eyes, 
than encourage in yourself sensual thoughts, 
or look upon a woman’s form with lustful desires. [12]

“Better fall into the fierce tiger’s mouth, 
or under the sharp knife of the executioner, 
than dwell with a woman and excite in yourself lustful thoughts. [13]

“A woman of the world is anxious to exhibit her form and shape,
whether walking, standing, sitting, or sleeping. 
Even when represented as a picture, 
she desires to captivate with the charms of her beauty, 
and thus to rob men of their steadfast heart. [14]

“How then ought ye to guard yourselves? [15]

“By regarding her tears and her smiles as enemies, 
her stooping form, her hanging arms, and her disentangled hair 
as toils designed to entrap man’s heart. [16]

“Therefore, I say, restrain the heart, 
give it no unbridled license.” [17] 

End Chapter 33″ 
http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel_b … ter_33.htm

And Buddha was a wise-man of East.

Buddha: Speaks on War

April 16, 2012

There is an interesting discussion on the thread started by me titled “Buddha- At War”:

http://www.freeratio.org/showthread.php?t=313823

Originally Posted by paarsurrey:

“And the Blessed One said: “The Tathagata is like unto a powerful king who rules his kingdom with righteousness, but being attacked by envious enemies goes out to wage war against his foes. When the king sees his soldiers fight he is delighted with their gallantry and will bestow upon them donations of all kinds. Ye are the soldiers of the Tathagata, while Mara, the Evil One, is the enemy who must be conquered.”

Gospel of Buddha: Chapter-47: Verse- 26
http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel_buddha/
Paarsurrey: Are these the words of peaceful Krishna persuading Arjuna to join him the war when the great battle of Kurukshetra is about to begin?

Paarsurrey says:

My point is that Buddha believed that a righteous and peaceful king has sometimes to fight for the cause of humanity when the very existence of his people is at stake; I mean if a cruel and unjust enemy (representing Mara or the evil) attacks his kingdom aggressively as genocide then it will be a right view, right intention, right action, right effort, right mindfulness and right concentration to the duty of such righteous king to defend.

The example given by Buddha would be applicable in the real if such a situation arises; if not then it will be a metaphor.
Krishna fought a just war and convinced Arjuna to fight a just war. If Buddha had faced such a situation, he would have also done the same thing and it would have been well within the eightfold path of Buddha and since it would have saved his people from the suffering it would have been well within the boundaries of the middle path.
The example given by Buddha is therefore both real and a metaphor.

I see Buddha and Krishna shaking hands with one another smilingly as they both had the same approach for life.

I think everybody will agree with me. Don’t you?