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Jesus’ death….

November 26, 2011

There took place an interesting discussion on the above topic, initiated by Captain Redbeard a nice poster on my favorite discussion forum, the hubpages.

The thread was already going on when I joined the discussion; I have given only those posts which related to the topic and which were addressed to me. The conversation is given for public good and for the viewers of this blog with courtesy of hubpages.

One must note that the purpose of a discussion is not necessarily to convince others or to convert others; that is done by one after lots of research. The discussion brings forth to light all angles on a topic; and helps one to form one’s own opinion independently.

I, however, respect and love all the posters on the hubpages.
One may access the following link to see the whole of it.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/83554

OP by Captain Redbeard

Ok so I have been studying the bible for close to ten years now and the more I study the more questions I have. I have been given the cold shoulder in churches and church groups for some of the questions I have but I feel they are valid. Maybe this wonderful group of people that hang out here can help me:

1. If sin is carried by the man through the seed of man and passed on to all his children Christ would have been born blameless. Which is why he was the perfect sacrifice. However, death was the punishment for sin before sin the bible tells us that Adam and Eve were eturnal with a body that wouldn’t die. So Christ being without sin means he was as Adam was before the fall. Man in his perfected state, eturnal. How then was he able to die on the cross or feel hunger or things like that?

2. The bible says that it is appointed for all men to die once and that is the bodies death, however the rapture experience says that the bride, Christ followers, will be caught up, raptured, into heaven and avoid the seven years of tribulation…..is there a sudden death then rapture as the dead in Christ go first then the living? How does this work it contradicts itself doesn’t it?

Those two are enough for now to probably get a big response so I’ll save the rest for another time.

1. Paarsurrey

Jesus did not die on the cross; he survived and migrated to India and lived a long life and died there naturally and peacefully.

2. Captain Redbeard

What evidence is there to this claim?

3. Captain Redbeard

What evidence is there to this claim?

4. Paarsurrey
Jesus did not die on the Cross; he survived a cursed death on the Cross as he had foretold; he died naturally and peacefully in Kashmir, India; one may read the following in this connection:

http://www.harisingh.com/news2C1a.htm
http://other9.tripod.com/scr/kashmir.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_years_of_Jesus

http://www.sol.com.au/kor/7_01.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DXCZFRsyl8 a BBC documentary.

http://hinduism.about.com/b/2005/09/22/ … -india.htm

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes … rine-jesus

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbcfour/documentar … view.shtml

http://mystiquearth.blogspot.com/2008/1 … shmir.html

http://www.alislam.org/library/jesusinkashmir.html

5. Earnestshub

Well that makes at least as much sense as the Christian story.

6. Paarsurrey

It is in the history.

7. Paarsurrey

It is in the history that Jesus died in Kashmir, India.

8. Earnestshub

Yes I am aware of that.

9. Jomine

You were the one who wrote the history or was it Mirza Ghulam Ahmad?

10. Paarsurrey

History existed already; Mirza Ghulam Ahmad – the Promised Messiah 1835-1908, just highlighted it .

11. Jomine

Interesting. Now a days history too started existing? I thought only god does that!

Promised by himself?

Muhammed was supposed to be the last?

12. Paarsurrey

Muhammad himself told of coming of an end time reformer with symbolic name of Jesus or Issa or Ibne Maryam; Son of Mary.

He named this end time reformer as Imam Mahdi also.

13. Paarsurrey

Jesus felt thirsty on the Cross; he was a human being; he was neither a god nor a son of god.

14. Paarsurrey
None of the gospel writers was an eye-witness of the crucifixion of Jesus.

One can read an eye-witness of the event by reading the following:

A LETTER WRITTEN SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE CRUCUFIXION,
BY A PERSONAL FRIEND OF JESUS IN JERUSALEM,
TO AN ESSENE BROTHER IN ALEXANDRIA.

Crucifixion By An Eyewitness.com

Presents
THE CRUCIFIXION
BY AN EYEWITNESS

SUPPLEMENTAL HARMONIC SERIES
VOLUME II
FOURTH EDITION
CHICAGO
INDO AMERICAN BOOK COMPANY
1911

http://www.harisingh.com/news2C1a.htm

15. Paarsurrey

But Jesus did not die on the Cross; he later died in Kashmir, India.

Had the Gospel writers been believers of Jesus; they would have not denied the greatest miracle of Jesus that Jesus would be saved like Jonah was saved.

16. Kiss andTales

Jesus was saved remember after sacrifice was made in our behalf Jesus was not in his tomb! All things went as planned, so now Jesus returned to a spiritual body, that he had before he came to earth. Remember Jonah stayed in the belly of the fish, the same amount of days Jesus was in Tomb. A clue that Jesus would, be the messiah.

17. Kiss andTales
And true Jesus did not die on across, a cross was a pagan symbol of a god call Tamaz , people would carry his symbol of name in the streets when walking. Jesus died on a stake. Like the stake you would tie a tent down with.
One piece of wood; was what he died on. but many religions use this symbol for Christ, the cross has been used for years by religion yet the truth he did not die on this form known as a cross.1Peter2:24 Acts5:30 Deut 21:22 .

18. aka-dj

Christianity has its foundation in the death AND resurrection of Jesus Christ.

The shape of the “cross” is irrelevant to a great degree.

He WAS crucified in the Roman method. He DID in fact DIE. (The Roman Centurion made sure we didn’t miss that point.)
He ROSE again on the third day, (according to prophecy), and IS alive today.

That’s the cornerstone of (our) faith.

19. Arcjahad

Just look at an original copy of early English language bibles and the name Jesus isn’t in them that’s the easy part when the name Jesus started to be used from my research is around the mid 1700s so early Americans weren’t using that name but it’s a deep study but the answers can be found

20. Paarsurrey

What did they write instead of Jesus?

Jesus is definitley not a Hebrew or Aramaic name.

21. Disappearinghead

Jesus is an invented name. His name is Yahshua.

http://www.plim.org/JesusOrigin.htm

This is why there is no power in the name of Jesus and why adding ‘in Jesus’ name’ to the end of a prayer in an effort to get God to rubber stamp it is pointless. He knows His name.

22. Paarsurrey

Jesus is not the pronunciation of Hebrew or Aramaic which Mary or Maryam or Meryam spoke; though it depicts the same person.

In Kashmir, India, the same person is named Yuz Asaf:

“It may be speculated that one of those who accompanied Yuz Asaf alias Jesus on his travels was a disciple-writer who continued to document Jesus’ experiences and ministry until his own death, after which the writings ceased or were taken over by another until Jesus’ death.”

http://www.tjresearch.info/legends.htm

23. Earnestshub

It’s all myths paars, the whole thing is so obviously mythological to anyone who reads widely and makes an honest attempt to understand life.

It’s only indoctrination.
If it were otherwise, the place you were born and your parents beliefs would not be fixed as they are.

Born in America? What chance Christian?

Born in Afghanistan? What chance Muslim?

Guess which belief you are likely to have been taught from birth. Not gonna be the same “truth” for both places is it?

The explanation for this is that it is all simply psychotic nonsense.

24. Paarsurrey

Born nowhere; what chance Atheist?

25. Earnestshub

Not a very good answer to the question is it?

Atheists and non-believers are all over the planet in small pockets of every society I can think of.

Religionists on the other hand simply buy the bilge they get from parents and peers.

26. Paarsurrey

Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Muslims are also found in every part of the world; right.

27. Earnestshub

Yes they are, but check the stats on where people come from and their beliefs.

It blows the whole religion idea away like sand in the desert and there would be very few people foolish enough to argue that America is predominantly Islamic and Iraq or Afghanistan predominantly Christian.

I like reality in my arguments, not bulldust.

28. Genaea

Hi Captain. My take on it is Jesus was born of God; yes, perfect man. As we know, man’s body was perfect before the fall. But obviously, they got hungry:) When he died, he took on the sin of man, for man. To save man from the sin that was killing him and separating him further from God. He came to die.

2. The bible states that two will be working and one will be caught up. No death, in my opinion. I honestly believe that the “appointment” is a spiritual or metaphoric term. Christians are to die or “kill” the flesh in order to be “born again”. (Maybe while the two are working, the graves are being emptied).

But don’t forget, the bible does tell us that some things will never be fully understood by us. It is so with scientific studies as well. Faith to believe what you don’t understand is what it takes.

Contradiction? When reading the bible, there must be an open heart. We should not read the bible with suspicion if it is our desire to know what we believe. It all comes from faith in God. Sometimes, one scripture that seems contradictory to another is actually speaking on different terms/ situations, usually talking about another topic altogther. (you are to stop, drop and roll when you are on fire/ not because you visit the fire station).
Questions are good Captain. It requires us to study more, then pray.

29. Kiss andTales

Yes I like that you said study very important to get true facts research is important .to get understanding.and there is no contradiction to the truth it all makes sense when you seek the truth and accept thats what it says.

30. lavender3957

Great question, I enjoyed reading all of the answers. The Bible is confusing to me. I usually look towards my pastor for answers. He always tells me if he does not have an answer, he will find it for me. With so many different religions, what is the truth is my question.

31. A Troubled Man

Certainly we can see that religions have not provided any truths. Your pastor will not tell you this truth.

32. Paarsurrey

All the messengers prophets of all the revealed religions of the world are Truthful in origin; all believing in ONE true Creator God; that is the Truth you are looking for.

OOO

Hubpages is a good discussion site; one could comment there or here in this blog; comments are most welcome.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/83554

Without providence from the Creator; humans would have long been extinct

February 11, 2010

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108849&p=2719169#p2719169

[quote=”dionysus”]
paarsurrey’s argument in which he claims that we cannot create gods and that gods are required for humans to exist.[/quote]

Hi friend Dionysus

Please let me revise your sentence.

My argument is that it is the Creator- God Allah YHWH, who has created the human beings and the rest of life; so it is wrong assertion that humans or other creatures could create the Creator-God Allah YHWH. The Creator is only ONE; and due to the different languages, the names are different. It is the Sustainer or Creator who sustains the human beings and they exist. If the Creator had not provided everything the humans need; the humans would have long become extinct; they would have not survived.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


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