Posts Tagged ‘Sunnah’

“Why Hadith can NOT be part of Islam”

May 13, 2015

Please view my post and comment and join discussion on the above topic on < www.religiousforums.com >

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/why-hadith-can-not-be-part-of-islam.152543/page-7#post-4286254

Post #123

Why Hadith can NOT be part of Islam

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hadith never existed in the time of Muhammad. It was collected 250/300 years after Muhammad. Muslims were doing everything as commanded by G-d in Quran and as demonstrated by Muhammad under directions of God (called Sunnah).

Hadith doest mention the context of an event, Quran does it.

At a time when people started fabricating Hadith in the name of Muhammad, Muslim scholars thought the need to purify Hadith and collected and classified it under a system.

They never thought that it is to replace Quran.

Hadith could elaborate things if it is not against the text and context of Quran and with this condition it is to be respected, honoured and acted upon. It is useful and part of Islam in this sense.

Regards

Prophecy of “another man of Allah after Muhammad”

June 26, 2013

I wrote following posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <  Another Man of Allah (God) *after* Muhammad (so says hadith); the posts are given below for the viewers of this blog.

#2  #6 #21

(To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.)

Paarsurrey wrote:

#2

Originally Posted by Yahyaa WaahidI bear witness that there is no God but Allah and I bear witness that Moses, David, Jesus, and Muhammad are His Messengers.

As-Salaam Alaikum/Shalom Aleichem/Peace be unto you.

…My name is Yahyaa Waahid and though I have a Muslim name I am not Muslim. My religion is Sabianism, so anyone who states that I am Muslim is lying to you…I just wanted to say that because in the past I have been falsely labeled as Muslim but anyway, getting to the subject, I just wanted to point out to or remind anyone who is familiar with the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that he (Muhammad) said that another Divine Man of Allah (God) was to come after him. Many who believe in the Prophet Muhammad believe that he was the last Man of Allah or Prophet that we can expect…but according to the hadith, Muhammad prophesied that the Messiah would come and perform a Divine work. From the Bukhari hadith (Book #55, Hadith #657: ) 

“Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it.” Abu Huraira added “If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): — ‘And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them.” (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)”

Would anyone like to debate this point of another Man of Allah (God) coming after Muhammad (pbuh)?

Peace & Blessings,
Yahyaa Waahid

Originally posted by Paarsurrey:

Hadith was collected 250 / 300 years after Muhammad. Even if a Hadith is stated to be Sahih for the chain of narrators; it is to be seen under the light of some verse/s of Quran, for correct meaning.

Can you quote a verse from Quran that clarifies your point of view? Please

#6

Originally Posted by Yahyaa WaahidIt is not…The hadith do not need to be presented with an ayat.

It is true that different Muslims believe different things, but regardless of your school of thought, that hadith is from the Bukhari collection and it’s words are very plain. Jesus is to come AFTER Muhammad, so the Muslim ummah should look for another Man after Muhammad.

Originally posted by Paarsurrey:

I give you the verse of Quran under which the Hadith needs to be interpreted:

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

The one who will come after Muhammad will be a successor of him and will follow Quran and Sunnah; his title name would be Promised Messiah, Jesus and Imam Mahdi.

Muhammad will still remain the top of the messengers prophets or seal of prophets.

#21

I further have to add that Muhammad being a Universal messenger prophet of the one true God, his religion Islam has been perfected so no messenger prophet could come in other local or regional religions as he is the Seal of Prophets so no true reformer from God now would come into them except that who is his successor and who follows Quran and Muhammad’s Sunnah.

Can a man of Allah (God) come after Muhammad?

May 7, 2013

An interesting topic has been started by Yahyaa Waahid, religion  Sabianism, titled “Another Man of Allah (God) *after* Muhammad (so says hadith)” at a very good religious discussion forum <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/147593-another-man-allah-god-after-muhammad.html>; I have also contributed some posts to it which I give below.

#2    Paarsurrey said: Hadith was collected 250 / 300 years after Muhammad. Even if a Hadith is stated to be Sahih for the chain of narrators; it is to be seen under the light of some verse/s of Quran, for correct meaning.

Can you quote a verse from Quran that clarifies your point of view? Please

#6  Paarsurrey said:

I give you the verse of Quran under which the Hadith needs to be interpreted:

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

The one who will come after Muhammad will be a successor of him and will follow Quran and Sunnah; his title name would be Promised Messiah, Jesus and Imam Mahdi.

Muhammad will still remain the top of the messengers’ prophets or seal of prophets.


#21  Paarsurrey said:

I further have to add that Muhammad being a Universal messenger prophet of the one true God, his religion Islam has been perfected so no messenger prophet could come in other local or regional religions as he is the Seal of Prophets so no true reformer from God now would come into them except that who is his successor and who follows Quran and Muhammad’s Sunnah.

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Paarsurrey’s note:

One could therefore make a note that no true prophet messenger has come in any religion after Muhammad; the only who had come is with the title of  the Promised Messiah, Imam Mahdi or the Guided-One the end time reformer for which almost every revealed religion has prophesied.

Just by one’s position or status one cannot correctly claim to be on truth. We will accept ‎one if one is proved right by Quran/Islam/Muhammad, otherwise not.‎

July 22, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/12/%e2%80%9cso-that-islam-might-not-‎die%e2%80%9d-%e2%80%9chatta-la-yamutu%e2%80%99l-islam%e2%80%9d/‎

Hi friend kenmirzz

Sorry, I don’t agree with you.‎

To agree or not to agree with a person is only essentianl if he is on truth; just by one’s ‎position or status one cannot correctly claim to be on truth. We will accept one if one is ‎proved right by Quran/Islam/Muhammad, otherwise not. ‎

A scholar is just a human being; if he errs we don’t have to believe in him.It is not among ‎the five essentials of faith. Since you left Islam/Quran/Muhammad, you might have ‎forgotten this thing. N‎evermind you may recal it now.‎

I don’t mind if you assume that I have rejected the explanation by later or earlier Islamic ‎scholars; if they made a mistake, they are mistaken, not to be followed. Just bring out the ‎reason they put forward; if it is approved by Quran and Sunnah; we can check that. It is ‎not difficult; we have Quran open before us; if one is not supported by Quran then one ‎must be rejected. The story you mentioned neither fits with the Surah/chapter, nor with ‎the character of Muhammad, which was so natural and exemplary, as I already explained ‎to you. The Surah is in fact an amazing Surah, in my opinion.‎

I think you understand now; it is reasonable.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim ‎

The correct concept of Sunnah of Muhammad; demonstration of an act by Muhammad ‎that has been commanded in Quran

July 15, 2009


http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/13/saudi-arabia-and-why-child-marriage-is-‎allowed
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Poma

July 14, 2009 • 6:49 a

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Dear Paarsurrey:

i dont think it is clearly mentioned in the Quran and hadith that you have to marry young ‎girl…but as you know thing are working according to SUNNA…..like Prophet ‎Muhammed daily life things are called sunna.


Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Poma

Thank you for acknowledgeing that there is no verse in Quran where it is commanded to ‎Muslims that they should not to marry adult girls; rather they should marry only child ‎girls.

Your concept of Sunnah is incorrect. Sunnah is something which is commanded or ‎mentioned in Quran and needed Muhammad to demonstrate it in action. If it is not ‎commanded in Quran, then it is not Sunnah. Please correct your concept.

All human beings are just like a family; they should be loved and not hated.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Three sources of guidance of Muslims

November 28, 2008


http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=4480609&postcount=10

Hi neploho

The Muslims have three sources for establishing themselves on Islamic guidance.

1. First, the Holy Quran which is the Book of God than which we have no more conclusive and certain statement. It is the Word of God and is free from all doubt and speculation.

2. Secondly, the practice of the Holy Prophet, which is called Sunnah.We do not regard hadeeth and sunnah as one.
They are distinct, hadeeth is one thing and sunnah is another. By sunnah we mean the practice of the Holy Prophet, to which he adhered and which appeared along with the Holy Quran and will accompany it. In other words, the Holy Quran is the Word of God Almighty and the sunnah is the action of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him.

It has ever been the way of God that the Prophets bring the Word of God for the guidance of people and illustrate it in practice with their conduct so that no doubt should remain in the minds of people with regard to the Divine Word. They act upon it and urge others to do the same.

3. The third source of guidance is hadeeth, by which we mean those traditions which were compiled from the statements of diverse narrators a century and a half after the Holy Prophet.

Now I mention salient features of the three sources of guidance:

• The distinction between sunnah and hadeeth is that sunnah is a continuous practice which was started by the Holy Prophet. It is only next to the Holy Quran in its certainty.

• As the Holy Prophet was commissioned for the propagation of the Quran, he was also commissioned for establishing the sunnah.

• As the Holy Quran is certain so is the continuous sunnah. Both these tasks were performed by the Holy Prophet as his duty. For instance, when the Prayer services were made obligatory, the Holy Prophet illustrated by his action how many rakaas were to be performed in each Prayer service. In the same way, he illustrated the performance of the pilgrimage. He thus established thousands of his companions on his practice.

• The practical illustration which has been continuous among the Muslims is the sunnah.

• On the other hand, the Holy Prophet did not have the hadeeth recorded in his presence nor did he make any arrangement for its compilation.

• Hazrat Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, had collected some ahadeeth and then had them burnt out of greater caution as he himself had not heard them from the Holy Prophet and did not know their reality.

• When the time of the companions of the Holy Prophet had passed some of their successors thought of compiling the ahadeeth and they were compiled.

• There is no doubt that most of the compilers of hadeeth were very pious and righteous. They tested the accuracy of ahadeeth as far as it was possible and tried to steer clear of such of them as in their opinion were manufactured, and they rejected every hadeeth any narrator of which was of doubtful veracity.

• As all this activity was ex post factum, it was no more than conjecture; yet it would be most unfair to say that all ahadeeth are vain and useless and false. So much care was taken in compiling the ahadeeth, and such research and criticism were employed in the task, that they cannot be matched in any other religion. The Jews also had compilations of hadeeth and Jesus was opposed by that sect of the Jews who followed the ahadeeth, but it is not proved that the Jewish compilers of hadeeth had exercised that care in compiling their collections as the Muslim compilers of hadeeth did.

• Nevertheless, it would be a mistake to imagine that till the ahadeeth were compiled, the Muslims were unaware of the details of Prayer services or did not know the proper way of performing the pilgrimage.

• The practical illustrations of the sunnah had taught them all the limits and obligations laid down by Islam.

• It is true, therefore, that even if the ahadeeth, which were collected after a long time, had not been compiled this would not have affected the real teaching of Islam for the Holy Quran and practice had fulfilled this need.

• The ahadeeth only added to that light and Islam became light upon light and the ahadeeth became testimonies for the Quran and sunnah.

• The Quran and sunnah should judge the ahadeeth and those that are not opposed to them should by all means be accepted.

• Hadeeth which is not opposed to the Quran and sunnah, should be accepted and followed.

Quran is a compact book; and is a book of systems. It provides the text and the context of the teachings for which sometimes the Whole book has to be searched, examined and then interpreted.

Hadith does not provide the context of the events properly recorded and hence some people cannot properly use it. It must be interpreted in the context provided by the Quran.
Quran of itself is a complete source and needs nothing to complete it, as against Hadith which has not this peculiarity as it was compiled very later and was never dictated by Muhammad in verbatum.

To sum up we may conclude that Hadith is not an arbiter of the Quran in any case. It is Quran that judges.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim