Posts Tagged ‘Spirit’

Does Ahmadiyya Jamaat relate to Sufism?

June 24, 2013

Does Ahmadiyya Jamaat relate to Sufism?

Question and Answer with Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, 12 January 1996

http://www.alislam.org/v/546.html

Please start viewing the video, setting play-head position, for the relevant Q6 @ 00:26:50; Does Ahmadiyya Jamaat relate to Sufism?Its answer ends @ 00:37:08; the answer is only: 10.58 in duration.

Paarsurrey noted following hint words and syllables in the contents of the reply to the question asked, in case of doubt, please hear the video and correct accordingly:

Sufism, form, Shariah, law, spirit, form was not essential, demarcation, spirit cannot exist without form, Sufism v Mullahism,  link was broken, Sufis have abandoned Islam, hanged to death, mystic, independent identity,  lost his ego, no need of bifurcation, image of Muhammad, perfect balance, Turkey, Hanafi Mullah, strict on form,  Rumi did not abandon Salat,

“Who is the ultimate authority on the Bible?”

May 23, 2010

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/31090?page=8#post1016770

Hi my friends

The Bible does not have an internal system of mentioning claims and reasons in it; this is a weakness of the Bible; it cannot guide its followers; they say it is inspired by the Spirit; but it has hardly any spirit in it; may be with the time its spirit has become already dead, for sure. In fact, therefore, the Church and its followers have to artificially and continuously resuscitate Bible by injecting claims and reasons into it.

They have not realized but it is another fact that all the lasting and truthful teachings of Bible have been preserved by the Creator- God Allah YHWH with utmost security in Quran inclusive of the necessary claims and reasons; hence the Christians are advised to thankfully make full use of Quran. Quran is the ultimate authority on Bible in this sense.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Len Nederlof to Paarsurrey; more questions and responses

May 28, 2009

Len Nederlof to Paarsurrey

(If Jesus had a sublime/glorious body of a god; what need he had to hide from the Jews? They could not harm a god. Jesus had to hide as he was scared lest they arrest him and kill him again. Further, God is only an attributive being; all bodies and spirits are his creation; while He has neither a body nor a spirit.)

Len Nederlof to Paarsurrey

1. Hi, Paarsurrey … Psalm 91 only speaks of the Lord, God, YHWH. Why include Jesus or Muhammad? It is a testimony written by a Jewish believer in the God of the Torah and recounts how he found God to be faithful to His promises in his life. Why would you follow any prophet? Why not just follow God? Does the Quran instruct believers to follow (worship?) prophets?
Paar: Ok for you comments from Psalm91. Yes; Quran instructs to follow all the Messengers and Prophets, in particular, Muhammad in whose person, all merits of a Messenger are included. A Muslim cannot deny even a single truthful Messenger of God; denying one of them tantamount to denying all of them.

2. The Bible only instructs believers to worship God. Jesus gave two commandments … love God and love our neighbor.
Paar: Yet the Christians believe and worship the weird and, to me, meaningless Trinity.

3. I realize that you do not accept that Jesus was raised from the dead and some forty days later, after having been seen by many, was bodily taken from earth and back into heaven.
Jesus had to prepare himself for the migration to India; he needed sometime for that and also for the complete treatment of wounds inflicted on him with all cruelty. All along he was a man; that is the reason he did not come into the open. He hid from the Jews particularly. If he had a sublime body; what need he had to hide from the Jews? They could not harm a god; Jesus had to hide as he was scared lest they arrest him and kill him again.
There is no harm in loving God Allah YHWH and loving the neighbors, all human beings. I am with you in this common point.

4. Was Muhammad raised from the dead?
Paar: Moses died, Abraham died, Jacob died, and David died so did Jesus die a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India at the age of 120 years. Muhammad also died at the age of 60/63 years.

5. What about that other fellow you mentioned who lived in the 18-1900’s?

Paar: I think you mean Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah , the Second Coming; yes he died in 1908. Everybody has to submit to the will of God Allah YHWH.

6. I know that you say you are a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim, but Muslims do not now or in the past have a peaceful outlook towards themselves or people of other faiths. In fact as I understand it seems that Muslims are dedicated to destroying all others on earth, particularly Jews and Christians.
Paar: Muhammad was a peaceful man; he killed nobody; the warmongering creeds of the Traditional Muslims have been rejected by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 as these had not basis from the Quran.

7. Jesus never started a church, and that’s a good thing.
Paar: Thanks for agreeing with me.

8. He allowed Himself to be called the Son of God although he only called Himself the Son of Man. He was both!
Paar: Jesus was a man born of a woman called Mary. Mary did not marry any god so Jesus had no god as father. One cannot be a parrot and an eagle at the same time; both are different species. It is for this that Jesus declared that he was son of man or son of man.

9. Is Muhammad a prophet or a Son of God?
Paar: Muhammad was a Messenger Prophet of God; he was never a god.

10. Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions … Len
Paar: May God Allah YHWH bless you and your family and your friends.

I respect your faith; I am an open mind.

I love Jesus and Mary as described in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The spiritual matters have a strong relationship with the things moral and physical

May 26, 2009

Len Nederlof says:
https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/05/18/there-is-little-historicity-in-the-bible-as-mostly-it-consists-of-fables-and-stories-written-mythically/

These things are not a question of reasonable and logical arguments. They are spiritual matters and they are spiritually discerned. I am a Christian, a Jesus follower, not a Paul follower like so many others who call themselves Christian.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Len Nederlof

Sorry, I don’t agree with you. The spiritual matters have a strong relationship with the things moral and physical. The spirit moves with the body where-ever you go.

A spirit cannot exist without the body; neither the human body can lifely exists without the spirit; this amply show that the relationship of the spirit or soul is very strong.

It rather enhances our temporal being but nevertheless is most reasonable, I think.

The spiritual matters are sensible and equitable and hence are a concentrate of reason and reality; never unreasonable and illogical, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as described in Quran; not the mythical accounts of the cunning Paul and the sinful scribes in the Bible.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The spiritual matters have a strong relationship with the things moral and physical

May 26, 2009

Len Nederlof says:

These things are not a question of reasonable and logical arguments. They are spiritual matters and they are spiritually discerned. I am a Christian, a Jesus follower, not a Paul follower like so many others who call themselves Christian.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Len Nederlof

Sorry, I don’t agree with you. The spiritual matters have a strong relationship with the things moral and physical. The spirit moves with the body where-ever you go.

A spirit cannot exist without the body; neither the human body can lifely exists without the spirit; this amply show that the relationship of the spirit or soul is very strong.

It rather enhances our temporal being but nevertheless is most reasonable, I think.

The spiritual matters are sensible and equitable and hence are a concentrate of reason and reality; never unreasonable and illogical, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as described in Quran; not the mythical accounts of the cunning Paul and the sinful scribes in the Bible.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The spirit or soul by the command of God Allah YHWH naturally grows and evolves from within the fetus, it is not eternal

May 3, 2009

paul8bee says:

I further believe that the spirit that drove these two individuals existed long before either of them were born. The spirit is eternal, as I see it.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend paul8bee

May God Allah YHWH bless you!

Sorry, I don’t get your point. Please elaborate further.

God Allah YHWH is not a spirit or soul. God is only a being of attributes needing no body or soul. All physical and spiritual bodies have been created by Him; since God is the Creator, so by definition He is not a created spirit. Further, a spirit cannot exist without a body, so unless a body of future living thing reaches a stage fit to be living, the spirit or soul by the command of God Allah YHWH naturally grows and evolves from within the fetus, and lo a child starts breathing.

This is clearly mentioned in Quran-the Secure Word of God, not without reason but with clear arguments and it is understandable.

Buddha died 500 years before the birth of Jesus. Unless Jesus himself went to Tibet and India and followers of Buddha due to his prophecy about coming of Metteyya/Messiah/Christ accepted Jesus, there seems no possibility of the similarities between the teachings and deeds of Jesus and Buddha.

The spirits do not act this ways as the spirits are not eternal but a creation of God Allah YHWH.

Kindly therefore elaborate further your concept and its basis.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran and not as presented by Paul or the sinful scribes.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The spirit that drove these two individuals, Jesus and Buddha, existed long before either of them was born???!!!

May 2, 2009

paul8bee says:

I further believe that the spirit that drove these two individuals (Jesus and Buddha) existed long before either of them was born.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend paul8bee

How do you believe that the spirits of Buddha and Jesus existed long before they were physically born?

Do you think that all spirits exist before their physical birth? Who created these spirits? These are the logical questions that arise in one’s mind, if we think on these lines as stated by you.

They were born with a distance of time of 500 years. How did the contact each other; who arranged these meetings?

I love Jesus and Buddha

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Please remove confusions about God, devil and spirit

June 7, 2008

 

The monotheists believe that One God has many attributes and these attributes need not to be personified or physically made, since God is not a physical being, rather everything physical has been created by Him and he is distinctively aloof of all the creations. God is manifest by His attributes. I would say, please do not mind, out of confusion the polytheists might have personified the attributes of God and often made physical gods and named the same accordingly.

“Shytan” is not a being in itself;it has been created by God.Satan is only a product of human minds and of instinctive human tendencies toward error. God alone is Creator, and all are creatures of His might.”

“Gabriel” is also not a being in him, and works as God orders him, so there is no need to treat him god.

The fact is that all true prophets of great religions of the world on whom God revealed Himself and talked to them, one to one, they have given the message to the mankind that God is one.

To me, it is not a philosophical question; it is the observation and experience of the prophets who talked with God in different ages and different regions of the world that God is one.

 

Kindly visit my blogsite for any peaceful comments and or peaceful discussion on interesting posts/pages there. You are welcome for your differing opinion/thoughts if you so like.

 

Thanks

 

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Comparison with a different viewpoint- always useful

June 3, 2008

Hi

 

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim. I respect your religion and your views about spirit/soul and/ or spirituality.

 

The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 has explained the subject; though it might be somewhat different from yours; but at times one understands more by making a comparison with a different view and new vistas of understanding open up before one. May be you like it.

 

Your may like to access the following link:

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

Please read the first quetion answered there “The Physical, Moral and spiritual States of Man”.

 

You are also welcome to visit my blogsite if you could do so convenienty for comments on the posts/pages there and/ or for a peacful discussion.

 

Thanks

 

 

Christian friends please explain if the Son is also omnipresent?

May 31, 2008

Table of Comparative Characteristics of God the Father,

Jesus the Son and the Spirit

(Adopted from Martin Luther’s Small Catechism)

God the Father – is omnipresent (present everywhere) (Jer. 23:24)
Son – not mentioned in the NT that he is a omnipresent
Spirit – is omnipresent (present everywhere)
(Ps 139:7-10)
Hi

It is absolutely essential to know attributes of God if we want to know Him and to love Him. I understand that Martin Luther has also explained the attributes of Christian God in his Small Catechism and in fact he has given characteristics of the three persons of Christian Godhead. Martin Luther has mentioned, as stated above, that God the father is omnipresent (present everywhere) and has also mentioned that the Spirit is also omnipresent but he has left the Son’s column blank in this connection. Could someone from my Christian friends please explain if the Son is also omnipresent?

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

 

 

Table of Comparative Characteristics of God the Father,

Jesus the Son and the Spirit

(Adopted from Martin Luther’s Small Catechism)

 

God the Father

Son

Spirit

a) a spirit (John 4:24)

 

   
  a) Jesus has divine names (Romans 9:5)

a) has divine names (i.e., is called God) (Acts 5:3-4, 1 Cor 3:16)

 

b) eternal (Ps. 90:1-2) b) Jesus is eternal (John 1:1-2)

d) eternal (Heb 9:14)

 

c) unchangeable (Ps 102:27) c) unchangeable (Hebrews 13:8)  
d) omnipotent (all powerful) (Matthew 19:26) d) omnipotent ( Matthew 28:18)  
e) omniscient (all knowing) (Ps 139:1-4) e) omniscient (John 21:17)

c) omniscient (1 Cor 2:10)

 

f) omnipresent (present everywhere) (Jer. 23:24)  

b) omnipresent (Ps 139:7-10)

 

 

f) Jesus does divine works, which only God can do: He forgives sins (Matt 9:6), He created (John 1:3), He will judge (John 5:27), He preserves (Heb 1:3)

 

 

g) holy (Lev 19:2)

 

 

e) holy (Matt 28:19)

 

 

g) Jesus receives divine honor and glory (i.e., is worshipped) (Heb 1:6)

 

f) does divine works, which only God can do (Gen 1:2, Titus 3:5)

 

h) just (Deut 32:4)

 

   

 

   

g) receives divine honor and glory (1 Peter 4:14)

 

i) faithful (2 Tim 2:13)

 

 

 

 

Jesus is man:

a) He is called man in the bible (1 Tim 2:5)

 

 

j) good (Ps 118:1)

 

 

 

 

b) he has a human body and soul (Luke 24:39)

 

 

k) merciful (Ex 34:6-7)

 

 

 

 

c) has human (but sinless) feelings: hungry (Matt 4:2), wept (John 11:35), thirsty (John 19:28)

 

 

l) gracious (Ex 34:6-7)

 

 

 

m) love (John 3:16)

 

 

 

 

I have kept the contents of Martin Luther’s Small Catechism same, except that I have put the characteristics in a table form, so that the similar have been mentioned in a row, for easy comparison. I find there are some characteristics found in say father which are not found in the son or the spirit and the vice versa. My Christian friends are requested to fill in the empty spaces of the columns or kindly mention the rational and logical reasons why there are no corresponding characteristics in others?


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