Posts Tagged ‘Son’

Jesus was not “Son of God”

February 24, 2014

I have made following comments: blog “The Calladus Blog”; topic “What I believe”: link:

http://calladus.blogspot.ca/2010/05/what-i-believe.html
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5736821&postID=1351504333661851099&page=1&token=1393273621502

Paarsurrey:

@ Calladus : 23/2/14 5:31 PM (posted but still awaiting moderation by Calladus)

I take your first quote of Bible:

Matt 11:27

[26] Yea, Father; for so hath it seemed good in thy sight. [27] All things are delivered to me by my Father. And no one knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither doth any one know the Father, but the Son, and he to whom it shall please the Son to reveal him. [28] Come to me, all you that labour, and are burdened, and I will refresh you. [29] Take up my yoke upon you, and learn of me, because I am meek, and humble of heart: and you shall find rest to your souls. [30] For my yoke is sweet and my burden light.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47011.htm

Jesus was talking in parables and metaphors; as could be ascertained from the words “all you that labor”, “burdened”, “refresh”, “Take up my yoke”; so the words “Father” and “Son” are not literal but should be taken in symbolic form.

Now, here, you should reflect that you took a wrong view of Christianity; which is only a misnomer only because it teaches the teachings of Paul and Church and has nothing to do with the real teachings of Jesus.

You rejected the total picture of Christianity being irrational; and irrational it is for sure; this is because its many tenets that were invented by Paul and collaborated by the Church were irrational.

The interpretation of your research is wrong; the total could not be wrong if many of its components were not wrong.

Your study of Christianity is intact; but you could not ascertain right in it from the wrong in it, only because you could not think of a true principle that could have lead you to the correct conclusion.

“How old was Jesus Christ when he died?”

February 11, 2010

Paarsurrey edits/revises the answer.
Courtesy: wiki.answers.com

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_was_Jesus_Christ_when_he_died&action=edit

We do not know for sure the exact age of Jesus when He was crucified, but He was probably 33 years old.

Here is the argument. Jesus was baptized which means he was not a “Christian”. But the reason He was baptized was to “fulfill all righteousness,” (Matt. 3:15); Jesus never mentioned that reason, Matthew was not innocent, so could be wrong.

He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20); that would have made Jesus a Jew; not a “Christian god”.

Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21); if we would have sinned ; what our sins had to do with Jesus’ sacrifice or to any priest.

To be consecrated as a priest, Jesus had to be: 1) washed with water – baptism – (Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16). 2) Anointed with oil – the Holy Spirit – (Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16).

Jesus was a Christian god; if he was innocent he need do any such thing. Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old, Num. 4:3, “from thirty years and upward, even to fifty years old, all who enter the service to do the work in the tent of meeting.” Therefore we can conclude that Jesus began His earthly ministry at the age of 30. Since it went on for 3 1/2 years before Jesus was crucified, it is safe to say that He was 33 at the time of His death Jesus (the man) was crucified at the age of 33.

Jesus was though put on Cross, yet he was delivered in near-dead position.

• I’d say he was 24 at best.

• There are some Muslim traditions which say Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India, at the age of 120/125 years.

• Scholars estimate he was born 2-7 BCE and died 26-36 BCE. The Scholar are human beings; they should revise their estimates.
• Keep in mind, 2,000 years ago the average life-expectancy was less than 20; even then people could live well beyond an old age.

he was not 33 years old they don’t know exactly what was the age and it don’t say that in the bible

Since the Bible is specific about time, Christ would have been 33 1/2 years old when He was crucified, or 33 yrs., 6 mos.

Bible is not a sound source of history. The scriptures tell us that He died on Passover, so by using simple math, we can count BACKWARDS 6 mos. from Passover (roughly the middle of March) and determine His date of birth also, roughly the middle of September…Well, the scriptures could be wrong, the are supposed to be written by faulty human beings.

This last entry is pretty accurate; but remember: he also had an earthly existence for some 33 & a half years and also a heavenly preexistence before he came to live as a man on earth, and starting out life as a human baby. He is referred to in the Holy Scriptures as: “the first born of creation, and the son of God.”It is wrong to say Jesus was first born; physically. All things were created through him after he came to be. “I came to be a master worker along side my Father…..” Given that understanding, Jesus would have to be many millions of years, and probably billions of years old. No wonder he was so wise!

Meditating on these facts as we know them from the bible will help us understand the meaning of him being a mighty god, but not almighty God; god Jesus never was and he never claimed to be as such literally.

He is the son of God, an actual direct creation of God; Jesus was not a son of God; also, this is only possible if Mary was a wife of God; since that was not the case; Jesus could not be son of God literally. Therefore he is not God. He is the image of God, figuratively yes, as we would say a son is the image of his father. Yet a son is not in reality the father. Therefore the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit are one in purpose, but not three parts of one entity.

We don’t have to use this terminology cooked by Paul; it is a faulty terminology The Father, or God, the Creator, was most commonly known by the name of Jehovah. Some refer to him from the Hebrew as YHWH, and think it is wrong to utter God’s name aloud. What is wrong is ‘to utter God’s name in vain.’ We are to say His name with reverence and deep respect. Jesus model prayer referred to or known as ‘the Lord’s prayer’ says: “Let your name be sanctified,” or “Hallowed be thy name.”

I have made some changes; for more accuracy the editors should read the book “Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_was_Jesus_Christ_when_he_died&action=edit

I thank wiki.answers, for giving an opportunity to me to revise the article.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

The concept of Trinity is alien to Jesus and Mary

January 23, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=91931#p91931

Wootah wrote:

I believe (Trinity) God is Good and Just

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wootah

First of all the Catholics Protestants should present the claim of the Trinity as also the essence of its reason from the Gospels; why should you try to put words into the mouth of Trinity, your assumed god, which it individually and collectively failed to mention in your book or to provide reason for it, to start with?

I don’t think your Trinity-god has anything to do with justice when it attempted to kill its own son for the sins of others; it is a cruel Trinity-god. Would you following your Trinity-god kill you own son or daughter for the sins of a passerby in the street? It is a cruel act, so you should rather leave the Trinity-god; than doing this inhuman act.

Trinity is neither Good nor Just; it is cruel and irrational.

The concept of Trinity is alien to Jesus and Mary; they never believed in it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Even the Catholics/Protestants/JWs/Mormons, viewers of your blog will agree with me ‎that killing of your daughter, even if she is willing, will be a cruel act, for sure

July 24, 2009

Paarsurrey said:

‎“I respect your religion; but I have my own free opinion. I think it to be too cruel for a ‎father (God) to sacrifice/kill his beloved one (son) for others imaginary sins.”

Joel said:

If this were done against the will of Christ, then I would agree that it would be cruel. ‎However, Jesus is part of the Godhead (we’ll get to that), thus as being God He planned ‎on sacrificing Himself from before He even created the world, and as being a person in ‎the Godhead, He willingly went to the cross.


Paarsurrey says
:‎
Hi friend Joel

I ask you a little question; I think you don’t mind. Are you married and have sons and ‎daughter?

I suppose you are married and have a beautiful little baby girl. If she says; papa I am ‎willing, just kill me. Will you kill her? If you kill her; won’t it be a cruel act? I think, it ‎will be a cruel act; so even your own Catholic church will declare it to be cruel.

You will need a very cruel heart to perform this act.

Sorry, it is as simple as that. I think even the Catholics/Protestants/JWs/Mormon viewers ‎of your blog will agree with me on this point.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

P.S.

I jut now posted these comments on your blog; but they did not get through and got published. Please paste them onto your blog. Thanks

Jesus of Bible is illogical; Jesus of Quran is logical

May 31, 2009

Paarsurrey says:

Matthew 24:36
36 But of that day and hour no one knoweth, not the angels of heaven, but the Father alone.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47024.htm

Matthew 24:36 (New International Version)

The Day and Hour Unknown

36″No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, [a] but only the Father.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2024:36&version=31

The Son, Jesus of Bible, does not know of that hour, nor the angels or the Holy Ghost; only the Father knows, so only the Father is All-Knowing, the others of the Trinity don’t know anything ,for sure.

Verse Matthew 24:36 of the Catholic Bible mentions of Son; the Protestant Bible does not mention of son; this is perhaps a proof of the corruption of Bible if our Christian friends may note it, please.

If Father, Son, the Holy Ghost form one entity; as cunning Paul would tell our Christian friends; then all three must have equally known of the hour, logically. Jesus was a straightforward person he never told such meaningless and illogical things.

I think our Catholic and Protestant friends or their clergy would prefer to come here to the rescue of the Jesus of Bible; and would put words of wisdom in the mouth of Jesus of Bible or for its purification; which he forgot to mention.

We don’t see such illogical things being mentioned by Jesus of Quran.

I respect your faith.

I love Jesus and Mary as illustrated in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

better for the Catholics Protestants to describe Jesus as a step son of God or God as a hostile father of Jesus

May 3, 2009

ivarfjeld says:

So much God loved the World that He gave his only Begotten Son, so that those who believe in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend ivarjeld

Welcome at my blog; please feel to express yourself fully here, even if you differ with me.

Please don’t mind. Sorry, I can’t buy that this is any manifestation of love from God; this is no justice either. Even a normal human father; except one who is a sick person, won’t kill his son for the sins of a man in the street. The man in the street won’t benefit from it either; the son would be killed for nothing.

In that case perhaps it would be better for the Catholics Protestants to describe Jesus as a step son of God or God as a hostile father of Jesus; rather to name Jesus a “Begotten Son”.

God never said or thought anything like that; it would be better describing such god as cruel person instead of saying “God is love “.

This is a meaningless approach of cunning and sinful Paul collaborated by the sinful and unfaithful scribes; not held by any Messenger Prophet before or after him. Jesus and Mary, for sure, could never believe such a faulty Theology. They would promptly reject such an inhuman concept.

This is only a nonsensical invention of Paul; the enemy of Jesus, Mary and their disciples.

God loves justice and all His actions are full of Wisdom. Do you see any wisdom in it? Sure, not.

I don’t think one should believe such a creed blindfolded from Paul. One would perish rather to attain any eternal life, like Paul was punished and beheaded.

I respect your faith; however, this is my sincere and affirmed opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran and not as presented by Paul or the sinful scribes.

Please keep the contact and remain in touch.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Sinful scribes were not attorney/s of innocent Jesus

April 25, 2009

fgenej11 says:

The Old Testament is full of prophecies regarding the coming Messiah. Jesus said of himself in John 3:16-17; “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son that whoever believes on Him should not perish but would live forever. For, God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.”

Paarsurrey says:

The meaning of the words “ son “ or “begotten son” of God, if the New Testament has any relationship with the Old Testament has to be understood according to the usage of the Old Testament.

It has been used for many personages of the OT and it means only a loved one of God Allah YHWH and is not specific for Jesus. It is used for the Messengers Prophets of God Allah YHWH and no doubt Jesus was one of them. They all were sent by God Allah YHWH to save the mankind and hence Jesus was only a way, not the only way to God Allah YHWH. Buddha also claimed to be a Way to God, and rightly so as he was also a Messenger Prophet.

Jesus never needed sinful John or any other scribe to express from him. John or anyother sinful scribe might have misunderstood Jesus. Jesus could have written something himself if he had wanted to say something.They betrayed him so he never trutsted them, in my opinion.

John spoke only his own opinion; he could not bind Jesus with his opinions.

Sinful scribes were not attorney/s of innocent Jesus; they never claimed to be one. I think it is the Catholics Protestants who eulogize sinful scribes in their confusion.

Thanks

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Christian friends please explain if the Son is also omnipresent?

May 31, 2008

Table of Comparative Characteristics of God the Father,

Jesus the Son and the Spirit

(Adopted from Martin Luther’s Small Catechism)

God the Father – is omnipresent (present everywhere) (Jer. 23:24)
Son – not mentioned in the NT that he is a omnipresent
Spirit – is omnipresent (present everywhere)
(Ps 139:7-10)
Hi

It is absolutely essential to know attributes of God if we want to know Him and to love Him. I understand that Martin Luther has also explained the attributes of Christian God in his Small Catechism and in fact he has given characteristics of the three persons of Christian Godhead. Martin Luther has mentioned, as stated above, that God the father is omnipresent (present everywhere) and has also mentioned that the Spirit is also omnipresent but he has left the Son’s column blank in this connection. Could someone from my Christian friends please explain if the Son is also omnipresent?

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics

 

 

Table of Comparative Characteristics of God the Father,

Jesus the Son and the Spirit

(Adopted from Martin Luther’s Small Catechism)

 

God the Father

Son

Spirit

a) a spirit (John 4:24)

 

   
  a) Jesus has divine names (Romans 9:5)

a) has divine names (i.e., is called God) (Acts 5:3-4, 1 Cor 3:16)

 

b) eternal (Ps. 90:1-2) b) Jesus is eternal (John 1:1-2)

d) eternal (Heb 9:14)

 

c) unchangeable (Ps 102:27) c) unchangeable (Hebrews 13:8)  
d) omnipotent (all powerful) (Matthew 19:26) d) omnipotent ( Matthew 28:18)  
e) omniscient (all knowing) (Ps 139:1-4) e) omniscient (John 21:17)

c) omniscient (1 Cor 2:10)

 

f) omnipresent (present everywhere) (Jer. 23:24)  

b) omnipresent (Ps 139:7-10)

 

 

f) Jesus does divine works, which only God can do: He forgives sins (Matt 9:6), He created (John 1:3), He will judge (John 5:27), He preserves (Heb 1:3)

 

 

g) holy (Lev 19:2)

 

 

e) holy (Matt 28:19)

 

 

g) Jesus receives divine honor and glory (i.e., is worshipped) (Heb 1:6)

 

f) does divine works, which only God can do (Gen 1:2, Titus 3:5)

 

h) just (Deut 32:4)

 

   

 

   

g) receives divine honor and glory (1 Peter 4:14)

 

i) faithful (2 Tim 2:13)

 

 

 

 

Jesus is man:

a) He is called man in the bible (1 Tim 2:5)

 

 

j) good (Ps 118:1)

 

 

 

 

b) he has a human body and soul (Luke 24:39)

 

 

k) merciful (Ex 34:6-7)

 

 

 

 

c) has human (but sinless) feelings: hungry (Matt 4:2), wept (John 11:35), thirsty (John 19:28)

 

 

l) gracious (Ex 34:6-7)

 

 

 

m) love (John 3:16)

 

 

 

 

I have kept the contents of Martin Luther’s Small Catechism same, except that I have put the characteristics in a table form, so that the similar have been mentioned in a row, for easy comparison. I find there are some characteristics found in say father which are not found in the son or the spirit and the vice versa. My Christian friends are requested to fill in the empty spaces of the columns or kindly mention the rational and logical reasons why there are no corresponding characteristics in others?