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Hell is not eternal; it is like a hospital where sins get cured

January 29, 2014

Please view the following comments with the comments in the context:

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-11069

paarsurrey says:
January 29, 2014 at 19:40
We understand from Quran/Islam/Muhammad that hell is not eternal; it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.

makagutu says:
January 29, 2014 at 20:57
it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.
How do you even entertain such a thought in your head?
Reply
paarsurrey says:
January 29, 2014 at 21:30
@ makagutu
It is not my thought; we believe it on the basis of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.
Please read the following Q&A:
Q How long will a person remain in Heaven or Hell?
A Paradise is ever lasting.
Hell is like a hospital where patients are kept for a limited time to be cured of their spiritual ailments. They would be transferred to Heaven after having been cured of their spiritual diseases. Hell is thus for a limited period of time.
http://www.alislam.org/books/my-relig/part2.html

paarsurrey says:
January 30, 2014 at 00:24
@ makagutu :January 29, 2014 at 22:36
“Please read the following questions
1. When did heaven and hell come to be?
2. Why were they necessary?
3. Where are they?”
Answers:
1. The concept of Heaven and the Hell came into exist when the One-True-God willed to create man.
2. The concept of Junnah (or heaven) came into existence to reward those who do good deed; and hell is its opposite pole.
3. These are spiritual concepts (not material) and hence don’t require any place in the Universe.
For further information, please:
http://www.alislam.org/library/links/00000017.html

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Did Jesus himself claim that he was sent for the atonement of sins of others?

May 1, 2013

I think Jesus did not claim himself that he was sent for the atonement of the sins of others.

This was a concept Paul and the Church tried to put in the mouth of Jesus.

Jesus never died on the Cross, so he could not claim for that.

Please quote Jesus’ own words in his own original language which was Aramaic, as you know.

Christians or non-Christians all are welcome here to express themselves fully. It is a fact that Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

 

Kumbh Mela: Paradise for Sinners

March 9, 2013

 

Paarsurrey says:

Do their sins really get washed off?

I think if one admits one’s sins in one’s heart , asks gorgiveness from the one true creator God,resloves not to commit the sin anymore and does good deeds; that washes one’s sins:

[2:272] If you give alms openly, it is well and good; but if you conceal them and give them to the poor, it is better for you; and He will remove from you many of your sins. And Allah is aware of what you do.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=271

Sushil Kumar's Blog

This post is very late from the perspective to cover the Kumbh Mela, the biggest gathering of pilgrims in world for a common purpose to wash off their sins by having a dip in holy confluence of river Ganges, Yamuna and invisible mythological river Saraswati. Much water has been flown in Allahabad since the first day of Kumbh, i.e. January 14, 2013 and tomorrow will be the last day of 56 day long Mela. It would be premature to say how much the sins of public at large were washed off in the polluted rivers of Allahabad. Frankly speaking, I waited to see how much purity was gained by pilgrims by just having a bath in holy rivers. According to me two major tragic incidents occurred during Mela period, one was the unfortunate stampede on February 10, 2013 which caused death of 36 pilgrims at Allahabad railway station and second…

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Allah forgives all sins. Verily, He is Most forgiving, Ever Merciful

May 8, 2009

Ivarfjeld says:

How will we manage to escape from our sins?

Paarsurrey says:

The sins are forgiven by God Allah YHWH when a sinner repents over his mistakes, asks forgiveness from God Allah YHWH and resolves not to do it again; this is a natural process, observed in every family, the parents forgiving the wrong doing of their sons and daughters.

If God forgives the sins then it is as if no sins were committed altogether.

This is established from OTBible right from Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, Jonah and John the Baptist. None amongst them said plainly that the forgiveness of sins would remain suspended till Jesus dies on the Cross. Not even Jesus said this things; it is only a weird and tricky theological philosophy of the cunning and sinful Paul that describes this new mythical creed of forgiveness of sins of the people depending on Jesus dieing a cursed death on Cross. It is only a revengeful creed, a cruel father cuts throat of his son, in the name of god, religion, love and justice. It has nothing to do with Jesus.

Quran also supports the concept of the Old Testament and confirms it:

[39:54] Say, ‘O My servants who have sinned against their souls, despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely, Allah forgives all sins. Verily, He is Most forgiving, Ever Merciful;
[39:55] ‘And turn to your Lord, and submit yourselves to Him, before there comes unto you the punishment; for then you shall not be helped;
[39:56] And follow the best Teaching that has been revealed to you from your Lord, before the punishment comes upon you suddenly, while you perceive not.’
[39:57] Lest a soul should say, ‘O woe is me in that I neglected my duty in respect of Allah! Surely, I was among the scoffers.’

http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=39&verse=49

I love Jesus, Mary and Muhammad.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

better for the Catholics Protestants to describe Jesus as a step son of God or God as a hostile father of Jesus

May 3, 2009

ivarfjeld says:

So much God loved the World that He gave his only Begotten Son, so that those who believe in Him, shall not perish, but have eternal life.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend ivarjeld

Welcome at my blog; please feel to express yourself fully here, even if you differ with me.

Please don’t mind. Sorry, I can’t buy that this is any manifestation of love from God; this is no justice either. Even a normal human father; except one who is a sick person, won’t kill his son for the sins of a man in the street. The man in the street won’t benefit from it either; the son would be killed for nothing.

In that case perhaps it would be better for the Catholics Protestants to describe Jesus as a step son of God or God as a hostile father of Jesus; rather to name Jesus a “Begotten Son”.

God never said or thought anything like that; it would be better describing such god as cruel person instead of saying “God is love “.

This is a meaningless approach of cunning and sinful Paul collaborated by the sinful and unfaithful scribes; not held by any Messenger Prophet before or after him. Jesus and Mary, for sure, could never believe such a faulty Theology. They would promptly reject such an inhuman concept.

This is only a nonsensical invention of Paul; the enemy of Jesus, Mary and their disciples.

God loves justice and all His actions are full of Wisdom. Do you see any wisdom in it? Sure, not.

I don’t think one should believe such a creed blindfolded from Paul. One would perish rather to attain any eternal life, like Paul was punished and beheaded.

I respect your faith; however, this is my sincere and affirmed opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran and not as presented by Paul or the sinful scribes.

Please keep the contact and remain in touch.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Babies are innocent: won’t go to hell

March 14, 2009

http://www.bustedhalo.com/questionbox/someone-told-me-that-if-a-baby-dies-before-being-baptized-the-baby-goes-to-hell-is-this-true-2/

Hi

I read a question at Busted Halo – an online magazine of the Christians:

The Question : Someone told me that if a baby dies before being baptized, the baby goes to hell. Is this true?

Paarsurrey says:

The answer given by the magazine is not correct, in my opinion.

Babies are innocent: won’t go to hell; good news from Quran for all Americans fathers, mothers and babies and also in the West.

This concept of the Catholics Protestants sending babies to the hell is inhuman and is simply not correct, in my opinion. Every human child born enjoys a respect from God and is innocent and definitely not sinful.

Sins start when one could distinguish between right and wrong; or when one is mature enough. Nobody inherits any sin. It is for this that AllahYHWH only is the master of Judgment; as only He knows as to how much a person can know right from the wrong. No human could judge any person for moral or spiritual sins on behalf of God; not even the church, nor one is entitled to forgive sins on behalf of God AllahYHWH, in my opinion.

Sins are not hereditary, in my opinion.

Jesus never said anything like that. This is the weird philosophy of Paul and of the mislead Church which is neither rational nor logical.

It is for scuh concepts of the clergy that the Churches have become machines or factories producing Atheists in America, in my opinion.The Church is driving away the intelligent person from God.

For God’s sake revise such wrong tenets to make following of Jesus relevant to America and the Americans. The lost souls can only be salvaged with real Jesus, his real Acts and his real Teachings.

I love Jesus s/o Adam as I love Adam and Eve, mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

P.S. I have added a page titled “Ask Paarsurrey” on my blog for the questions. Please view it on the side bar of my blog for peaceful questions and discussions. Everybody is welcome; even those who differ with me.
https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/

Jesus was a perfect man only if he got married and had children

February 8, 2009

http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=4781545&postcount=7
If Jesus did not marry; then he is father of none

Originally Posted by dolphinlove:
ok…
now i dont know how many times we have told you the purpose of Jesus coming to earth. We have told you numerous times the reason he did not marry, his purpose what not to marry, his purpose was to come here and teach, amongst other things!

Paarsurrey, you obviously cant by the idea of a man is not a man unless he gets married, has sex and has a child.
That is not the only thing that makes up a man, many other things make up a man as well you know.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi

Well your claim for Jesus is not of a man; your claim is for a perfect man, and a perfect man must marry and have children, only then we could know what his behavior was with his wife/wives, his sons and daughters.

One cannot look on Jesus as an exemplary Model of a husband or as a father to his sons, so essential for a family. Why should one deny Jesus of these natural instincts gifted to him by God Allah YHWH? Just for some imaginary sins of the Catholics and their atonement! Can’t one stop sinning so that there is no need for this imaginary sacrifice, which never happened, for Jesus’ sake?

Let Jesus enjoy his life; like you all yourself enjoy so much. Why to make Jesus a scapegoat, for nothing?
One could however differ with me with solid reasons; that is one’s birth right.

I love Jesus and Mary

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

When to forgive and when not to forgive?

December 11, 2008

http://forums.catholic.com/showthread.php?p=4529026#post4529026

When to forgive and when not to forgive?

Quote:
Originally Posted by w_stewart
Islam does not allow a sinner to repent. Once a man sins, he is to be punished cruelly even to the point of his death. The concept of forgiveness is germane to their religious tradition.

Hi

I think you have not studied Quran in the least. Never mind you may start it now.

[42:35] Or He can destroy those who are in them because of that which they have earned – but He forgives many of their sins –
[42:36] And He destroys them so that those who dispute concerning Our Signs may know that they have no refuge.
[42:37] And whatever you have been given is only a temporary provision of this life, but that which is with Allah is better and more lasting for those who believe and put their trust in their Lord,
[42:38] And those who eschew the more grievous sins and indecencies, and, when they are wroth, they forgive,
[42:39] And those, who hearken to their Lord, and observe Prayer, and whose affairs are decided by mutual consultation, and who spend out of what We have provided for them,
[42:40] And those who, when a wrong is done to them, defend themselves.

[42:41] Remember that the recompense of an injury is an injury the like thereof; but whoso forgives and thereby brings about an improvement, his reward is with Allah. Surely, He loves not the wrongdoers.

[42:42] There is no blame on those who defend themselves after they have been wronged.
[42:43] The blame is only on those who wrong men and transgress in the earth without justification. Such will have a grievous punishment.
[42:44] And he who is patient and forgives – that, surely, is a matter of high resolve.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2…=42& verse=34

I think now the concept of when to forgive and when not to forgive is clear to you. It is very rational; if forgiveness could reform the wrongdoer, then he may be forgiven, but if the wrongdoer gets more encouraged then he is not to be forgiven.

Islam does not make one a coward; but wants that one should be graceful.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus is neither Son of God nor God in physical/literal sense but in metaphoric sense as per usage of Bible

November 15, 2008

Our learned friend R H Kelkar, who has translated New Testament into Marathi, a language in South India, has made following observations in his write-up titled “The Meaning of ‘Nava Karar “which could be viewed in entirety at :

http://marathibible.wordpress.com/2008/07/16/the-meaning-of-nava-karar/

We only give here only one point mentioned by him:

The New Testament or ‘Nava Karar’ portrays God as a loving and forgiving father, who sent His son Jesus Christ to this world in human form with an offer of salvation for all humanity.

Paarsurrey says:

The above point is not correctly derived by him from the OTBible; and hence it is not supported by Quran- the pristine and most secure Revealed Book among the Revealed Religions and hence incorrect. God is not a physical being; He has rather created the whole physical phenomenon as He willed. Nobody shares this or other of his attributes. Hence God is nobody’s physical or literal father.

God is father of the humans in a metaphoric sense, nothing could get created without his order/will; and this is the theme of the OTBible. God has no literal wife or He needs no sex that his off-shoots are called Sons of God. This is only in the metaphoric sense otherwise it does not carry any meaning literally and physically. GodAllahYHWH needs no wife or son; this is only a phenomenon of the mortal beings and a sort of extension of life given by the Creator to one’s species. GodAllahYHWH is immortal. Quran is very clear in this aspect:

[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] Say ‘He is Allah, the One!
[112:3] Allah the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor, is He begotten,
[112:5] And there is none like unto Him.
http://www3.alislam.org/showChapter.jsp?ch=112

We can agree with R H Kelkar if he reconciles to the above explanation.

Jesus did not pay any debt of any human beings as maintained by R H Kelkar. Jesus never died a cursed death on Cross as incorrectly invented by Paul at Rome to misguide the Christian sheep. Jesus was not a scapegoat of Paul and his associated i.e., the Catholic Church.

If anybody has any debt, he shall have to pay it himself. When Paul propounded this philosophy, Jesus was at that time traveling in India, happily among his Jewish lost sheep of which he was also a shepherd. He was never a shepherd of the Gentiles; this is a concept wrongly ascribed to Jesus; this debt Paul shall have to pay for.

OTBible Says:

Son of God

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life. JOHN 3.16

A DESCRIPTIVE TERM:
And they made a proclamation in Judah and Jerusalem unto all the children of captivity. EZRA 10.7

Then said he, These are the two sons of oil, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth. ZECHARIA 4.14

Behold, the men of the city, certain sons of Belial [satin], beset the house round about. JUDGES 19.22

The good seed are the children of the kingdom. MATTHEW 13.38

JESUS NOT THE FIRST BORN SON:

ANGELS
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan was among them. JOB 1.6 & 2:1

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy. JOB 38.7

CHILDREN OF RIGHTEOUS:
That the sons of god saw the daughters of men that they were fair. GENESIS 6.2

THE ISRAELITES:

And thou shalt say to Pharaoh. Thus said the Lord, Israel is my son, even my first born. EXODUS 4.22

And I say unto thee, Let my son go, that he may serve me. EXODUS 4.23

You are the children of the Lord, your God. DEUTERONOMY 14.1

Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea. Ye are the sons of the living God. HOSEA 1.10

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/biblical/chapter_4.html

Ahmadiyya under guidance of the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 Says:

• The Term “Son of God”

While the term “Son of God” has been used in reference to Jesus, it should be noted that God has used this title for many of His chosen ones.

For example, God, in the Old Testament refers to David: “I will proclaim the decree of the LORD: He said to me, ‘You are my Son; today I have begotten you’” * (Psalm 2:7)

Furthermore, in a New Testament genealogy, Adam is listed as the “Son of God” (Luke 3.38).

In fact, some may argue that Adam could have a greater claim over the “Sonship of God” because, unlike Jesus, he had neither an earthly father nor mother.

In order to reconcile these references and many others, it is not unreasonable to conclude, that the Biblical usage of the term “Son of God” does not necessarily connote a literal “sonship to God” but a metaphorical one instead.

The Nature of Jesus

This metaphorical understanding is furthered by Jesus’ own words and actions. Jesus is known to have engaged in many human devotional activities such as fasting and praying. But perhaps the most significant evidence is that Jesus claimed to lack knowledge of the future because, as he claimed, only the Father possessed perfect knowledge. (Mark 13:32).

This is especially notable since Christian doctrine holds the view that Jesus’ nature is a “hypostatic union”. That is, he was “fully divine” and “fully man” at the same time. If this were true, then he should have at no point denied his own omniscience.

These, in addition to other philosophical considerations, lead one to question the biblical term “Son of God” and its literal application to Jesus.

http://www.alislam.org/topics/jesus/

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

How salvation of ‘Animism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, or cults such as Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormonism’?

August 15, 2008

Paarsurrey says:

Hi Bud Press!

Thanks for your remarks on my above comments. Sorry, I don’t agree with your following points mentioned by you.

1. “Jesus Christ died for you on the cross (Romans 5:6-9).”
2. “Salvation and eternal life cannot be obtained through world religions such as, Animism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, or cults such as Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormonism. Your salvation and eternal welfare rests in the Jesus Christ of the Bible.”

Firstly, Jesus never died a cursed death on the Cross, in my opinion; and secondly, there is no relationship between the sins one commits and the death of a third person for the sins of another person.

Maybe you like to read my following posts in this connection:

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=163
https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=67

I love Jesus, Mary and Muhammad

Regards

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

In response to remarks of our friend Bud Press dated August 15, 2008 at 9:22 am at
http://kimolsen.wordpress.com/2008/08/11/discerning-gods-word-study/

“Jesus Christ died for you on the cross (Romans 5:6-9):”

“Salvation and eternal life cannot be obtained through world religions such as, Animism, Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, or cults such as Jehovah’s Witnesses or Mormonism. Your salvation and eternal welfare rests in the Jesus Christ of the Bible:”