Posts Tagged ‘scriptures’

King Ashoka’s title amply proves that up to his times the Buddhists believed in God/s

June 22, 2013

I wrote following posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <Buddha believed in the Creator God>.

To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.

Paarsurrey wrote:

#49 Buddhist Emperor Ashoka’s title “Beloved one of Gods”.
Emperor Ashoka’s given name was Asoka but he assumed the title Devanampiya Piyadasi which means “Beloved-of-the-Gods, He Who Looks on with Affection.”
Ashoka (ca. 304–232 BC) – also known as Ashoka the Great was an Indian Emperor of the Maurya Dynasty.

His period was prior to the canonization of Buddhist scriptures; and he was a fervent follower of Buddha; under his rule Buddha’s teachings spread far and wide.

His title shows us that he was a Theist; and this clearly hints that the earlier followers of Buddha were believers of Theists; they were not Atheists or Agnostics.

#61 Gospel of Buddha

Buddha says:

“Starting from the simplest forms, the mind rises and falls according to deeds, but the aspirations of a Bodhisatta pursue the straight path of wisdom and righteousness, until they reach perfect enlightenment in the Buddha. Verse-3: Chapter 41-“The Goal”

Paarsurrey comments: I think here “In the Buddha” means in the All-Wise and the All-Light- the one true God, not Buddha himself, if I have correctly understood.

#63 The scribes writing down the scriptures have undermined the true teachings of Buddha in the translations while Buddha’s exact words he spoke, it seems, have not been preserved and have been toned down.

#70 I think it is the Theravada Buddhists who deny most fervently that Buddha was not a Theist and that he did not believe in God.

Theravada Buddhists mostly are from Sri Lanka where Buddhism was brought by son and daughter of Kind Ashoka whom he had sent to Sri Lanka to spread Buddhism.

King Ashoka’s title “Devanampiya Piyadasi” “Beloved-of-the-Gods, He Who Looks On With Affection” amply proves that up to his times the Buddhists believed in God/s.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Buddha on blind faith

June 22, 2013

Paarsurrey wrote:

#43 I don’t necessarily need to quote any Sutta for following reasons:

1. Suttas were not written by Buddha. So why insist on quoting them?

2. They are said to consist on 40/43 volumes; not possible to go through them all for an ordinary man.

3. Buddha himself spoke that scriptures and the monks should not be relied upon with blind faith; I quote from Kalama Sutta in this connection:

“Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing,
nor upon tradition,
nor upon rumor,
nor upon what is in a scripture,
nor upon surmise,
nor upon an axiom,
nor upon specious reasoning,
nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over,
nor upon another’s seeming ability,
nor upon the consideration, “The monk is our teacher.””

4. I understand that some scholars say that little or nothing goes back to the Buddha. Some have has little confidence that much, if any, of surviving Buddhist scripture is actually the word of the historical Buddha.

5. I don’t say they are false and should be rejected; they might contain diluted teachings of Buddha; and affected by the influence of Nāstika schools of philosophies during the times between Buddha and when the scriptures were compiled/written down.

A parallel in this regard could be had from what happened to the teachings of Jesus after when he migrated from Judea after the event of crucifixion in which he survived and came to India.

We Muslims believe all revealed scriptures; what is its exact nature?

April 17, 2013

Question and Answer session with Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, 5 November 1995

http://www.alislam.org/v/607.html

Please start viewing the video, setting play-head position, for the relevant Q #5 @ 01:05:00 As a Muslim we believe in all the revealed books, what is the exact nature of this believe; do we believe in them word to word or just the message as a whole? Its answer ends @ 01:06:38: the answer is only: 1.38 in duration.

Paarsurrey noted following hint words and syllables in the contents of the reply to the question asked, in case of doubt, please hear the video and correct accordingly:

The key is the revealed books, word for word, not the man-made books; even their believers believe contradictions in them, added form,

God sends a religion in one location and others have to accept it

April 14, 2013

Islam respects other revealed religions; but since the scriptures of other religions are not in the original form they were revealed on their messengers; so they need a fresh scripture (Revelation) that could rectify their mistakes; in whatever language it is revealed; in this sense Quran secures all revealed scriptures of the word whatever the religion and in whatever the locations they are.

There is no punishment to other nations if they did not receive the message of Quran; if it reaches them anyhow, which is in fact the message refreshed; and instead of accepting it they oppose it with enmity; then it is their fault because they deny the original message revealed on their own messenger originally.

Humans cannot punish anybody simply for not believing ; that will be decided by Allah in the hereafter with justice; He is the Master of the Day of Judgment.

Blind Faith – yet another form of not-believing

June 18, 2008

Hi!


The scriptures of all Revealed Religions are; be they Noah-ides, Jews Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs etc whoever and wherever there are people claiming they are or they had in the past received God’s word, all included provide the sum total of the revealed stock of guidance provided by God to man- a common treasure for the whole humanity as against the atheism or not-believing who have received non.

 

Scriptures are Word of God, if they contain the words of God in the original language in which it were revealed, rather than meanings in the form of translations or different versions or interpretations of somebody or are written observations of a scribe/disciple /apostle or comments of simply a reader/writer .Science is the ACT of God depicted in the whole universe, not what the scientists say (scientists so often talk of theories, that are not yet science, strictly speaking, unless these are considered as Scientific Laws. The Scientific Laws are not creation of the scientists, they just discover with experiments what has already been created by God, they only verify with their experiments and close observations what already exists and created by God.


The source of Word of God and Act of God is the same i.e. one God-the Supreme Creator, the All–Knowing and All-Wise, therefore there cannot be logically any contradiction in both.


If there is prima facie a contradiction or difference, a gap in the two, then this has to be investigated truthfully and logically, the fault if any is of the humans involved. Either the Word of God has been wrongly interpreted/translated or interpolated by the humans or yet a Law of Science is in the process of making/not yet fully discovered. This would require reconciliation of the two with facts and one with the fault would be amended/updated accordingly .The religious people ,being human beings, are also prone to err, get carried away into superstitions , myths ,unreal mysticism due to their becoming over zealous or sometimes under pressure, the same is true of the scientific people ( not the scientists).

The faithful believes and has to believe the truth whichever and wherever and wherefrom the truth has emerged , with continuous search instead of the blind faith which is yet another form of not- believing that causes believing in myths and fiction rather than the facts. This is the system from God.


Evolution of human thought and progress of scientific knowledge in every branch of knowledge provides us ground to evolve our centuries old religious concepts, while every thing else is progressing , adapting to the new realities which surface due to new knowledge and technology, on the basis of undisputed facts brought by history , archaeology or sciences etc. The old concepts of clergy, theologians were mostly based on their limited knowledge of that time, which needs to be updated and not to be followed blindly as the new but real facts have emerged. Why to believe in the religious establishment when it is proved wrong.


The intention is not to provoke any controversy or to weaken faith of the Christians or it is not an attempt unnecessarily to convert them to some other faith. This is intended to make Christians a better Christians which fact is also evidenced by splitting of Christianity into some 30000+ sects.


After all there is some discrepancy somewhere. This is every individual’s own duty to do this exercise himself; others can only help, which is the true intention.
Since no conflicting debate is intended, as I abhor such debates. One enjoys and one’s knowledge gets improved by wisdom of the learned fellow human beings who think otherwise. With their wise and free comments other side of the concept is presented which provides one rich food of thought and rather than creating confusion one improves ones’ thoughts and beliefs which is only possible when we cross-examine our concepts with the opposing concepts. It is a positive exercise, there is no compulsion, and it develops free, logical and rational thinking, after all every body has finally to decide for himself. Everybody of any religion may therefore enrich us with his opinions and experiences and should feel free for that.

 
When one cannot reconcile science and religion one normally does not share or discuss such thoughts with others especially with the clergy, the so called religious people, imbued with extra zeal that normally happen to be very narrow minded and close hearted, not to speak of the opposing views, one even does not discuss within the same faith people. By and by such silent people sometimes become atheists. Most of the people (be Christians or for that matter of any other religion) seldom go to the Churches (or synagogues or mosques or temples), which shows that inwardly they have become dormant in their faith or nearing or turned atheists or not-believing. These peoples have to be “awakened” in the faith by providing them the amended facts, the God sent reality without man–woven myths, which is only possible by reconciling Word of God with Act of God or vice versa, in the light of and updating with the new undoubted facts which are common treasure of man, or searching the true word of God from the existing scriptures, also a common Treasure of man.

 

All believers of any religion have to make concerted efforts for revival of their faith to salvage growing silent atheists or dormant believers of the faith. The question is not of converting of a Christian to any other faith more important issue is of reclaiming the present Christian to the true Christian, Jew to a true Jew, Muslim to the true Islamic faith, Sikh to the true Sikhism etc, all bowing to the true will of God. To me, these are the natural allies-being believers in one God and must be loved.

 

Inter-faith dialogue or study of the Comparative Religions is logically done to bridge this gap- a man made gap between the Word of God (the scripture) and Act of God (pure laws of science). The decision again rests with the individual.

 

I love Jesus, Mary, Krishna, Moses and Muhammad.

 

Thanks

 

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Second Coming – a Christian Claimant

June 13, 2008

 

Continued from my previous post titled Second Coming of Jesus; Some Claimants dated  June 12, 2008   

 

 

—– Original Message —–

From: paarsurrey paarsurrey

To: dorewilliamson@verizon.net

Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:08 AM

Subject: Jesus’ Return

 

Hi! Dore

 

You are a claimant of being Jesus or Christ and I respect you and all such claimants.

There are many claimant of this office. The Jews are waiting for the Christ/Moshiach for the last three thousand years or so and they say he is yet to come, a long wait indeed!

They have a long list of about twenty such claimants but they believe they were all untrue claimants as they could not fullfil their aspirations so they have declared them untrue in retrospect.

 

The Christians are also waiting for the Second Advent or return of Jesus (whom they consider as God)

 

The Muslims believe that Jesus was only a true prophet of God who will descend from the sky a second time as a Muslim and he will destroy and kill all non-believers of the world, an extremist view.

So, simply by your saying that you are true Jesus and others are false will not solve the problem for the peoples.

 

Then there are other nations waiting of the return of heir religious leaders i.e. Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Zoroastrians etc; waiting for their religious leaders to return and reform the world which is in a dilemma and seeking the right path.

 

The question is so important for the world.

 

If you are a busy person, kindly send me, if possible, e-mail addresses of ten such persons of a firm faith who believe that you are Jesus so that I can discuss this issue with them and arrive at an impartial criteria from the scriptures of all these nations so that we believe the true Jesus/Christ or reformer of the world religions.

 

 

 

 

Re: Jesus’ Return

Tuesday, February 7, 2006 4:38 PM

From:

“Dore” <dorewilliamson@verizon.net>

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To:

“paarsurrey paarsurrey” <paarsurrey@yahoo.com>

 

you wrote,

You are a claimant of being Jesus or Christ and I respect you and all such claimants.

 

Well, if that is true, then you don’t know God, nor does idolatry or blasphemy against me bother you in the least, for there is only ONE true Son of the Father.

 

cont

 

There are many claimant of this office. The Jews are waiting for the Christ/Moshiach for the last three thousand years or so and they say he is yet to come, a long wait indeed!

They have a long list of about twenty such claimants but they believe they were all untrue claimants as they could not fulfill their aspirations so they have declared them untrue in retrospect.

 

The Jews have a long history of rebelling and sinning against God, and because of their disobedience and disrespect, selfish desires for deliverance from Roman oppression, instead of deliverance from sins, they denied my advent the first time I came to the earth. That being said, they are still awaiting their own concept of Messiah, instead of seeking and pleasing God to have the truth revealed to them. Those who have denied me, the first time I came to the earth, are condemned already and thus, their expectations will remain unfulfilled. God doesn’t bow to the will and desires of men, but has created a plan to redeem mankind from their sins, and the Jews have denied this plan of salvation.

 

cont

 

The Muslims believe that Jesus was only a true prophet of God who will descend from the sky a second time as a Muslim and he will destroy and kill all non-believers of the world, an extremist view.

 

No, the Muslims believe that Mohammed was the only true prophet of God and that I was merely a holy man sent from God. They do not recognize my purpose or plan. They have no aspirations of my return, but believe that all should follow the words of Mohammed and all who refuse are unbelievers and should be destroyed.

 

 

cont

 

So, simply by your saying that you are true Jesus and others are false will not solve the problem for the peoples.

 

Of course, just “saying” that I am the only begotten Son of the Father would not “solve” the problems for all peoples, but then again, I never said I would. But as I stated before, evidence for who I am is found in obedience to every word that I spoke in the gospels, as well as fulfilling the prophecies of my second advent, which I have completely fulfilled the first and have fulfilled numerous prophecies of the second advent, with the rest to be fulfilled shortly. I prophesied in my first coming that only a few would be saved and most would reject and deny me and be condemned, so all of those who do not believe in me, will continue to have problems until they are destroyed, because they are condemned, as stated in the prophecies for these end times.

 

cont

 

Then there are other nations waiting of the return of heir religious leaders i.e. Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs, Zoroastrians etc; waiting for their religious leaders to return and reform the world which is in a dilemma and seeking the right path.

 

Actually, the concept of a return of a “Messiah” for these other false religions is a modern concept, just recently added to their theologies, attempting to be a part of this great event. Buddhists don’t even believe in God, and Hindus believe in numerous gods, so which one would they expect to return?

 

cont

 

If you are a busy person, kindly send me, if possible, e-mail addresses of ten such persons of a firm faith who believe that you are Jesus so that I can discuss this issue with them and arrive at an impartial criteria from the scriptures of all these nations so that we believe the true Jesus/Christ or reformer of the world religions.

 

Well, clearly you are under some misconception that I must prove myself to you and the world. You also are under some false impression that I have returned for ALL peoples in all religions, for which the scriptures clearly state that I am not. If you knew the second coming prophecies, you would know that I am not here to prove myself to mankind, nor here to reform any other religion,  but here to JUDGE all mankind according to their faith in me and their obedience to my words from the first advent,  thus they must prove themselves to me, if they want redemption and salvation.  So, you like the rest, who do not yet believe in me, will then have to wait until I rise to be revealed to the world. Besides, there is NO impartial criteria to come to faith in me, there is the truth, righteousness, wisdom, prophecies, knowledge and scriptures that state clearly of my objective, purpose and events as planned from the beginning.  I am NOT here to satisfy mankind and their desires, but gather together those who have prepared for my return and whom truly serve God.

 

 

Dore

 

www.dorewilliamson.com

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(To be continued in the next post)

There is no moral case of the Christians for preferring Jesus over Buddha

June 8, 2008

johnshoreland says (short excerpts from his writeup “mr wasnot having any responds to Christians”):

 

1.No one comes to the Father except through me

2.my contention that Christians need to stop relying on John 14:6 as proof that heaven (assuming there is such a place) is the exclusive domain of Christians.

3.To insist that your religion is the only true religion is so profoundly disrespectful that it can’t smack of anything but an almost absurd immaturity.

4.You can’t say all concepts of God, and all systems of faith, and all personal encounters with the universal divine that aren’t grounded in the truth of Christianity are invalid, or inadequate, or sadly delusional, and expect anyone outside of your faith to take you seriously.

5.A lot of Christians are nothing more than spiritual bullies who go around using the Bible as a club. (And a lot aren’t, too, I know.) It’s weak. It’s embarassing. Finally, and mostly, it’s boring.

6.Christians can only talk, and can never listen.

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paarsurrey says:

 

Hi

 

I leave it for the Christians as to how they come out of their narrow approach they have about other religions and how GodAllahYHWH guided other regions of the world.

 

Like Jesus guided humanity in Judea; and later Christianity spread in the West; sameway Buddha guided humanity in the East.

 

The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 enumerates this scenario ; and I quote from him:

 

Let it be clear that Buddhist scriptures have made available to us evidence of various kinds, which, on the whole, is enough to prove that Jesus (on whom be peace) must have come to the Punjab and Kashmir, etc. I set out this evidence herein, so that all impartial people may first study it, and then by arranging it as a connected account in their minds, may themselves come to the aforesaid conclusion. Here is the evidence.

 

First: the titles given to the Buddha are similar to the titles given to Jesus. Likewise, the events of the life of Buddha resemble those of the life of Jesus. The reference here, however, is to the Buddhism of places within the boundaries of Tibet, like Leh, Lhasa, Gilgit and Hams, etc., which are the places about which it is proved that they were visited by Jesus. With reference to the similarity of titles, it is enough to point out, that if, for example, Jesus (on whom be peace) calls himself the Light in his teachings, so, Gautama has been named the Buddha, which in Sanskrit means Light.2

 

If Jesus has been called the Master2 in the gospel, so the Buddha has been called Sasta or the Master; if Jesus has been called Blessed in the Gospels, so the Buddha has been named Sugt, i.e., the Blessed. If Jesus has been called Prince, so has the Buddha been called Prince. Jesus has also been described by the Gospels as one who fulfils the object of his coming, so has the Buddha been called in Buddhistic scriptures Siddhartha i.e., one who fulfils the object of his coming.

 

Jesus has also been called by the Gospels the Refuge of the Tired, so has the Buddha in Buddhistic scriptures been called Asarn Sarm, i.e., the refuge of the refugeless. Jesus has also been called by the Gospels King, though he interpreted it as King of the Kingdom of Heaven, so also the Buddha has been called King. The similarity of events is proved by events such as these. Just as Jesus was tempted by the Devil with the riches and kingdoms of the world provided he prostrated himself to him, so was Buddha tempted when the Devil said to him that he would give him the pomp and splendour of kings if he abandoned the severity of his living and returned home. But, just as Jesus did not obey the Devil, so, it is recorded, the Buddha did not obey him. See Buddhism by T. W. Rhys Davids3; and Buddhism by Sir Monier Monier Williams4.

 

This shows that the same titles which Jesus ascribes in the gospels to himself, have in Buddhistic books, which were compiled much later, been similarly ascribed to the Buddha; and, just as Jesus was tempted by the Devil, so these books claim that the Buddha also was tempted by the Devil; nay, the account of the temptation of the Buddha as stated in these books, is longer than the account of the temptation of Jesus in the Christian Gospels.

 

It is recorded that when the Devil offered him the temptation of wealth and kingly honour, the Buddha was inclined to return home. He, however, did not obey this desire. But the same Devil met him again one night, bringing with him all his progeny, and frightened him by frightful appearances. To the Buddha these Devils appeared like snakes which were emitting fire from their mouths. The snakes began to throw fire and poison towards him but their poison was turned into flowers and the fire made a halo round the Buddha.

 

The Devil not having succeeded thus, called sixteen of his daughters, and asked them to reveal their beauty to the Buddha, but the latter was still unmoved. The Devil was balked in his designs. He adopted other means, but was unable to do anything against the steadfast Buddha, who continued to travel through higher and higher stages of spirituality, and after a long night, that is, after severe and protracted trials, he overcame his enemy the Devil; the Light of True Knowledge dawned upon him and, with the coming of the morning, i.e. as soon as his trials were over, he came to know all. The day this great battle ended was the day of the birth of Buddhism. Gautama was 35 years old then; he was called the Buddha or the Light and the Tree under which he was sitting at the time came to be known as the Tree of Light.

 

Now, if you open and see the Bible you will find how the Temptation of the Buddha resembles the Temptation of Jesus, so much so, that the Buddha’s age was nearly the same at that time as the age of Jesus. As it appears from Buddhist literature, the Devil did not appear to the Buddha in a corporeal visible form. It was a spectacle seen only by the Buddha.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch4.html

 

It is very clear from the above that the titles given to Jesus and his teachings are very similar to that of Buddha. The Christians should understand that there is no moral case, in my opinion, for preferring Jesus over Buddha.

Thanks

 

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim