Posts Tagged ‘Romans’

Quran study for our Christians friends: Verse 2:117

April 29, 2013

I give here a page from Quran from Surah Al-Baqrah Chapter.2 verse 117 with the commentary:

http://www.alislam.org/quran/tafseer/?page=172&region=E1&CR=EN,E2

Please click the above link to view the page clearly.

John never witnessed Jesus’ Crucifixion

January 16, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4657&p=90570#p90570
Quran, 4:157

Eagle wrote:

Your gospels are unambiguous to the fact ALL disciples fled when Jesus got arrested and Peter’s fear of arrest caused him to repeatedly deny that he even knew Jesus.

ThereIs1Adonai wrote:

John was that disciple and he is the one who leaned on Jesus’ chest at the last supper. He writes this of himself.

Eagle wrote:

There is absolutely no proof that the unnamed disciple mentioned by John’s Gospel’s writer (mentioned in the 3rd person by the way, why would John mention himself in the 3rd person?) in Jn19:25-27 is John the son of Zebedee. That traditional interpretation is still a matter of dispute among scholars. Also, the other gospels don’t mention a “disciple whom Jesus loved”. They also say nothing about any disciple or any women being near the cross, or talking with Jesus while he was on the cross, not to mention that execution sites were guarded by Romans and surely wouldn’t allow anyone near.
That unknown and unnamed disciple you are referring to could be the author of John’s Gospel as it seems from Jn21:24.

Skenderbeg wrote:

Can you Muslims tell me then who was supposed to write it down for us to know?

Eagle wrote:

Jesus had very little followers in his lifetime.

Can your bible scholars say for sure who wrote the gospels attributed to Mark, John, Luke, Matthew? as 4:157-8 says, Jesus’ enemies claimed to have killed him, others that they crucified him and this grew into a legend which crept into those books whose authorship is questioned by modern scholarship.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends

Very scholarly and truthful comments by Eagle; I agree with him.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Bible.

Thanks

If Jesus was a god and he knew he was going to get alive in a time of three days then his praying to his father (God Allah YHWH) was an absurdity

May 12, 2009

Michelle says:

But ultimately Jesus came to show us the way to live and to die on the cross for our sins so that we may have a relationship with Jesus, have a good life and go to heaven when we die.

Paarsurey says:

Hi friend michelle

I respect your faith and you have all the freedom to believe what you think is right. But sorry I don’t agree wit you that Jesus were willing to die on the Cross or that it were destined for him from His father (God Allah YHWH) to die on the Cross. If that had been the case Jesus won’t have prayed to his father (God Allah YHWH) so fervently and passionately.

If he was a god or going to become a god; he should have challenged the Jews to put him on the Cross to verify his godhead. Jesus should have announced that he was least worried if he was put the Cross, as nobody could kill him. But poor Jesus of Bible made no such claims.

If he knew that he was going to get alive in a time of three days then his praying was an absurd thing.
What need he had to pray and to whom? He prayed not only in the garden called Gethsemane but right on the Cross. His last words on the Cross are stated to be: About three o’clock, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” Matthew 27:46.
God O’ God, why you have left me, is a proof that he did not want to die on the Cross.

Why was Jesus upset, if he was only going to get alive within three days? Did he fear that somebody would snatch his Kingdom of the Universe from him?

Jesus was not willing at all to die on the Cross; only the Church people have made the sheep believe this way, this is a story to suit their ends.

Please think rationally and logically. If Jesus was willing, then why there is so much hue and cry of cruelty of the Jews and the Romans who executed Jesus. It should be a matter of joy rather a matter of sorrow, and should be celebrated accordingly.

Why was Jesus, his mother Mary, and the disciples worried and in tension? Why the disciples fled away from the scene if they were sure that Jesus would get alive in three days? Why was Jesus hurriedly taken to a tomb? He should have been kept into the open if he was to get alive without the help of others.

Jesus’ case, as depicted by the Bible, was not of a god but more of a disappointed person who had lost even the last hope and whose will was completely broken.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran and not the mythical ones as presented by cunning and sinful Paul or the sinful scribes.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Why was Jesus so upset, if he was willing for crucifixion and was going to get alive within three days?

May 5, 2009

wdednh says:
Paarsurrey

Jesus went to the Cross willingly

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wdednh

I don’t think that Jesus went to the Cross willingly. If he was a perfect of a god; he should have challenged the Jews to put him on the Cross to verify his godhead. Jesus should have announced that he was least worried if he was put the Cross, as nobody could kill him. But poor Jesus of Bible made no such claims. He is stated to have said “Matthew 26:42 “ My Father, if this chalice may not pass away, but I must drink it, thy will be done”.
” these were words of not willingness rather agreeing to a thing for which nothing was possible to de done by him, it had to be endured by him, it was destined for him, even if he wanted Jesus could not have avoided it.

I wonder for the Christians; how they extract willingness of Jesus from his obvious unwillingness. Was it a suicide attempt by Jesus on the Cross? Is it a suicide attempt encouraged in Bible? Is a suicide attempt considered as a sacrifice? A weird suicide and a weird sacrifice!!!

If he was willing then his praying was an absurd thing.

If he was willing; what need he had to pray and to whom? He prayed not only in the garden called Gethsemane but right on the Cross. His last words on the Cross are stated to be Matthew 27:46. About three o’clock, Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
God o god why you have left me, are a proof of it.

Jesus was rather disappointed, you would agree, rather than having the will to justify livingly. Why was he upset, if he was only going to get alive within three days? Did he fear that somebody would snatch his Universe from him to rule?

Kindly justify in an understandable way that he was willing. He was not willing at all to die on the Cross; only the Church people have made the sheep believe this way, this is a story to suit their ends. Please think rationally and logically. If Jesus was willing, then why there is so much hue and cry of cruelty of the Jews and the Romans who executed Jesus. It should be a matter of joy rather a matter of sorrow, and should be celebrated accordingly.

Why was Jesus, his mother Mary, and the disciples worried and in tension. Why the disciples fled away from the scene if they were sure that Jesus would get alive in three days? Why was Jesus hurriedly taken to a tomb? He should have been kept into the open if he was to get alive without the help of others.

Jesus’ case, as depicted by the Bible, was not of a god but a disappointed person who had lost even the last hope and whose will was completely broken.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran and not the mythical ones as presented by cunning and sinful Paul or the sinful scribes.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim