Posts Tagged ‘Revelation’

One could believe in on witnessing of others

July 20, 2013

I commented on the blog < http://independentsguide.wordpress.com/2013/07/16/its-not-only-2/> and then a discussion ensued; the same is given here-under for the viewers of this blog.

 

  1. @ Argus

    Quote from your post
    If you had to write; would’t it had been better if you have visited it?

    Thanks

    Argus Says:
    July 16, 2013 at 10:43 pm | 

    I’m an older guy in New Zealand carefully balancing a budget—budget doesn’t allow for popping over to all (or any) of the things that most intrigue me. So I have to rely on other folks …

    Sadly many folks are either easily deluded (stage magicians, priests, and politicians make a good living from it) or look at different aspects of whatever’s there than I would. Some are out to impress; many just gush. So I sift the sand an hope to find a gem or two.

    • paarsurrey Says:
      July 17, 2013 at 4:35 pm | 

      So one could benefit from the witnessing of other persons who have seen or observed another phenomenon or experience themselves till such times that one has is able to experience/witness them oneself.

      If we carry this reasoning forward; the messengers prophets have seen/witnessed the one true God themselves; one should benefit from their experience.

      Don’t you agree with it?

      Thanks for visiting my blog and sharing your thoughts.

      New Zealand is a good country.

    • I don’t believe in angels (have never met one) any more than I believe in gnomes, imps, elves, and goblins (never met one of those either). I also cannot believe in the Abrahamic God any more than in Odin, Vishnu, Aphrodite, Isis (insert name of own choice here, and there’s millions of them).

      By the same token I’ve never floated in space or set foot on the moon; yet somehow I’m hard-wired to give more credibility to the eyewitness reports of those guys than ‘angels’.

      My own sister is a spiritualist medium who talks routinely to dead guys. Sadly the dead guys all seem to say the same stuff, and when I asked her for the coded message agreed between our Father and I before he passed away; no joy. She tried, a few wild stabs and educated guess, but ol’ Dad was a bit remiss with the codes (I guess crossing over must’ve wiped his memory a bit.) To each his own …

      • If you don’t believe in angles; you miss one pillar of the true faith.

        • I miss most of the pillars—

          I do believe that people should be nice to each other, and get along like rational reasoning (dare I say ‘compassionate’?) beings.

          Instead we have vicious slaughter, stonings, burnings at the stake, crusades, torture, beheadings, napalm, holy war etc etc all in the name of the One True God (insert deity of own choice here) (there’s lots of them). Not good.

          • The Humanists must have to be nice with others; otherwise they shall have to morally change their name from the Humanist as they had previously changed from Atheist, a meaningless name, in my opinion.

            You have however been nice to me; a man committed to reason must be.

            Anyway I will call them with the name they like for themselves.

            Pillars are important for a building, you know.

            • A building is no good without a reliable foundation (even the Bible says as much); and yes, as an atheist I am allowed to quote from it … peace …

  2. Our friend Argus never visited the pyramids in Egypt; but preferred to comment on their construction; merits and demerits. The same way he could believe in the one true God on the witnessing of messengers and the prophets. If not, why not?

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This is not my beautiful god…

July 18, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

Quoting a passage from your write-up:
“Those are the facts, they’ve been in the public domain for over thirty years, but as Prof. Ze’ev Herzog of Tel Aviv University observed: “we are witnessing a fascinating phenomenon in that all this is simply ignored by the public.” For now that’s not too surprising, cowards often evade awkward things, and for Yahwehists it’s hard to fathom anything more uncomfortable than admitting there was no supernatural revelation (to anyone, at any time), and that Jesus (if he ever existed, which is doubtful) and Muhammad (who, regrettably, did exist) were both talking through their (un)inspired hats. If this were not the case both characters would have blithely let their audiences in on the little 6th Century secret and straightened out the historical farce once and for all. Neither, of course, did. Both, in fact, named the patriarchs on multiple occasions and by doing so revealed their own bumbling ignorance of basic regional history… a history one would naturally expect god-men to actually know.”
Muhammad existed as you admit; he got Word of Revelation from God called Quran; it exists in verbal form as the name Quran suggests and also in the writing form both supporting one another; without any change.

Thanks

FictionOne need only be measurably literate and mildly curious to know that Yahwehism is beset with such a slew of legitimacy problems that it’s honestly difficult to imagine it surviving (in any coherent form) within educated populations through the second-half of this century. The Patriarchs (Abraham, Jacob and Isaac) never existed, Moses was a legendary character not found in history, the Exodus never happened, there was no military conquest of Canaan, and there was never a 10th Century United Kingdom. Penned by Judean copywriters between the 7th and 5th Centuries BCE (nearly a millenium after its alleged origin) the Pentateuch and Deuteronomistic History of the Nevi’im (including the books of Joshua, Judges, Samuel and much of Kings) is recognised today by even conservative Jewish rabbis to be nothing but a geopolitical work of fiction commissioned to justify a northern land grab after the fall of Mamlekhet Yisra’el (Kingdom of…

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“Middle Path” itself shows that Buddha got revelation from God

June 22, 2013

I wrote following posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <Buddha believed in the Creator God>; I give the post below for the viewers of this blog.

To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.

Paarsurrey wrote:

#17    The middle path; itself shows that Buddha got enlightenment/revelation from the Creator God.

Unity or ONENESS of the Creator God is the natural belief or default faith of humanity; when they get astray they believe in many gods or they altogether deny any gods; both are one the extremes; normalcy returns when some selfless and pure person like Buddha gets converse/enlightenment from the Creator God and gets the teachings of the middle path or right path.

Our Endangered Languages List

June 15, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

No language is man-made; all languages are made by the one true God, as a man should be respected so does every language. As man is born and dies so do the languages. Arabic is the mother of all languages; that does not mean that it does not have a grand mother; it means that Arabic got developed in the ancient times by the grace of one true God , it has nurtured other languages and it is destined to be a living languages and it is least affected by wearing away of time due to its inherent systems.
For such and many other features of the Arabic language, the revelation of Quran has been sent in Arabic by the one true God; though revelation from the one true God could be in any language that humans speak.

Michael Bradley - Time Traveler

In a reverse Tower of Babel, mankind is consolidating its languages with globalism.  Our species speaks over 7,000 languages right now, but those are quickly being reduced to 20 or fewer.  Below is an article on some of the most endangered languages.  I was kind of surprised to find that Rapa Nui (the Easter Island language) was not already extinct.  If you look up my Irish history post on St. Patrick’s Day, you will find my ancestral language of Gaelic is nearly snuffed out on purpose by the Brits.

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Irish Gaelic, Rapa Nui And More Endangered Languages From Around The World

by Libby Zay (RSS feed) on Jun 7th 2013 at 1:00PM

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There are nearly 7,000 languages spoken throughout the world today, the majority of which are predicted to become extinct by the end of this century. Half the world’s population speaks the top 20…

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Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s claim in own words; the Promised Messiah, Jesus’ Second Coming

May 1, 2013

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Image of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

The Promised Messiah- Jesus’ Second Coming

Hank Kimball  Says: 

(While commenting on one of my post<https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2013/05/01/faith-or-superstition/#comment-2708>)

“I am going to find out all I can from his (Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s) words, and not those that think he’s a heretic.

I am open to all information that anyone claims is from God or Jesus.”

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah claims:

“I have publicly announced, having been informed of it by God through revelation, that the real and true Promised Messiah who is also the real Mahdi, tidings of whose appearance are to be found in the Bible and the Quran and whose coming is promised also in the Hadith, is myself; who is, however, not provided with any sword or gun.

I have been commanded by God to invite people with humility and gentleness to God, Who is the true God, Eternal and Unchangeable, Who has perfect Holiness, perfect Knowledge, perfect Mercy, and perfect Justice.

I am the light of this dark age; he who follows me will be saved from falling into the pit prepared by the Devil for those who walk in darkness. I have been sent by God to lead the people of the world to the true God through peace and humility, and to reassert the reign of morals in Islam.

God has provided me with heavenly signs, for the satisfaction of seekers after truth. He has done wonderful things in my support; He has disclosed to me secrets of the unseen and of the future which, according to the holy books, is the sign of a true claimant to divine office, and He has vouchsafed to me holy and pure Knowledge. Therefore, the souls which hate truth and are pleased with darkness, have turned against me. But I have decided to be sympathetic towards mankind – as far as I can.

So, in this age the greatest sympathy for the Christians is that their attention should be called to the true God, Who is free from such defects as being born and having to suffer death and undergo suffering, the God who made the earliest heavenly bodies spherical in shape and, in His law of nature, set down this point of spiritual guidance that, like a sphere, there is in Him Unity and absence of direction.

That is why the things which occupy space have not been made triangular, i.e., the things which God created first such as the earth, the heaven, the sun and the moon, and all the stars, and elements – all are spherical, the spherical nature of which points towards Unity. Therefore there can be no greater sympathy with the Christians than that they should be guided towards the God Whose creations declare Him to be free from the idea of trinity.”

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/intro.html

Paarsurrey says:

I like your open approach; please read the book written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad titled “Jesus in India” by clicking the above link. The book has been written in Urdu language, and the original Urdu book is also available on line; this is its English translation.

Please be in his company for a little while or more, as you may like please.

Seeing apparitions of Mary and Jesus

April 18, 2013

I have noticed some Christians claim seeing apparition of Mary or Jesus. I have always wondered if they saw somebody, and I don’t doubt that they have not seen something, as to how they identify somebody as Mary or Jesus that appeared to them. How could they be able to recognize one whom they did not see while one was alive in one’s real life? Nevertheless; I never had such experience myself so it is quite natural that I cannot benefit from their private experience. We humans could share only reasonable and rational things a common tool of understanding between us; I think everybody will agree with me. More so because there are no standard features of Mary or Jesus described in the Bible; and those who claim to have seen them as apparitions also differ a lot.

I quote here from a Christian site in connection with Mary’s apparitions:

“The apparition appeared on the domes of the church for up to two hours or more at a time, always at night, but not every night and not at regular times. The Lady appeared in glittering light—so bright that her features could not be clearly seen—which streamed across the church. She was invariably preceded or accompanied by luminous “doves,” “strange bird-like creatures made of light,” which did not flap their wings but glided.”

http://www.inplainsite.org/html/apparitions_of_the_virgin_mary.html

Reason could benefit from Revelation; if it is in the original words and language (with its text and the context fully preserved); and if it was revealed on a human messenger prophet of one true God.

As to the Word revealed on Jesus and Mary; the above condition of reason and rationality is non-existent in their case.
In addition to the above the gospel writers or scribes wrote things with a purpose; Christians sometimes do mention it; that makes their writings biased; not fit to be trusted, in my opinion.

One has a right to differ with me; as do anybody else; I agree.

God sends a religion in one location and others have to accept it

April 14, 2013

Islam respects other revealed religions; but since the scriptures of other religions are not in the original form they were revealed on their messengers; so they need a fresh scripture (Revelation) that could rectify their mistakes; in whatever language it is revealed; in this sense Quran secures all revealed scriptures of the word whatever the religion and in whatever the locations they are.

There is no punishment to other nations if they did not receive the message of Quran; if it reaches them anyhow, which is in fact the message refreshed; and instead of accepting it they oppose it with enmity; then it is their fault because they deny the original message revealed on their own messenger originally.

Humans cannot punish anybody simply for not believing ; that will be decided by Allah in the hereafter with justice; He is the Master of the Day of Judgment.

Faculty of reason: Faculty to receive Revelation

April 11, 2013

Man has been bestowed with the faculty of reasoning for guidance in ordinary matters though not equally to everybody; it differs from person to person. The same way man has been bestowed with the faculty to receive revelation from the one true creator God.

These two faculties make man specifically distinct from an animal. Adam got evolved and was better equipped with the tools of speaking, reasoning; he also got Revelation from the one true creator God and that was an epoch making event in human evolution and history.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah and the End-Time Reformer of all religions explains this phenomenon:

Quote:

“As God has invested man with the faculty of reason for the understanding to some degree of elementary matters, in the same way God has vested in him a hidden faculty of receiving revelation.

When human reason arrives at the limit of its reach, at that stage God Almighty, for the purpose of leading His true and faithful servants to the perfection of understanding and certainty, guides them through revelation and visions.

Thus the stages which reason could not traverse are traversed by means of revelation and visions, and seekers after truth thereby arrive at full certainty.

This is the way of Allah, to guide to which Prophets have appeared in the world and without treading along which no one can arrive at true and perfect understanding; but an unfortunate dry philosopher is so much in a hurry that he desires that whatever has to be disclosed should be disclosed at the stage of reason.

He does not know that reason cannot carry a burden beyond its strength, nor can it step forward further than its capacity. He does not reflect that to carry a person to his desired excellence God Almighty has bestowed upon him not only the faculty of reason but also the faculty of receiving revelation.

It is the height of misfortune to make use of only the elementary means out of those that God has, out of His Perfect Wisdom, bestowed upon man for the purpose of recognizing God, and to remain ignorant of the rest. It is foolish to waste those faculties through lack of use and to derive no benefit from them.

A person who does not use the faculty of receiving revelation but denies its existence cannot be a true philosopher, whereas the existence of this faculty has been established by the testimony of thousands of the righteous and all men of true understanding have arrived at perfect understanding through this means”

Unquote.

(Surma Chashm Arya (Qadian, 1886), Now published in Ruhani Khazain, Volume 2 (London, 1984) Arya, pp. 39-42).

http://www.alislam.org/books/essence/chap2/chap2.html

Jesus and Mary did not need to wager for religion like Pascal did; they got sure knowledge of the one true God. People like Paul did not have this faculty; so they ventured and invented weird concepts and creeds of a new religion “Christianity- a misnomer” which was deviant from the path that Jesus and Mary followed.

It is for this deviation that people like Blaise Pascal, Christian Aplolgists, had to wager on religion; and had to cut a sorry figure against the atheists like Christopher Hitchens.

Revelation proves the existence of God

April 8, 2013

It is through the Word of Revelation on the perfect persons called messengers or prophets in all parts and in all ages of the world that the existence of one true God is proved.

Big-foot, Unicorns etc.; cannot be proved by the scientific method valid for tangible and measurable things; nor these could be proved by Word of Revelation from the one true creator God; hence these are mythical imagination only; these have no reality; neither tangible reality nor intangible reality.

Word of Revelation that descended on Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad proves the existence of the one true Creator God.

Am I right?

Galileo’s persecution by the clergy is deplorable

April 1, 2013

Herein below please view peaceful comments between a friend at the wordpress and me. I publish it as a new post for benefit of others.

Nick T Says:

April 1, 2013 at 10:37 am

http://endoskeptic.com/2013/03/30/astrology-militants-attack-my-blog/

Many thanks for the reblog, very much appreciated and great to know people are enjoying the read. Although, unfortunately, there are many examples throughout history where religious beliefs have directly opposed scientific endeavour; the case of Galileo and the Pope, for example.

But this post wasn’t written to evoke that discussion, but instead ensure that the facts of science are presented in the face of the supernatural belief that the celestial bodies can affect our behaviour; which they can’t!

Thanks again; looking forward to reading some of your writing in the future!

paarsurrey Says:

April 1, 2013 at 12:28 pm

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2013/03/30/3349/

I thank you very much for visiting my blog; also for your comments.

I am of the view that there is no contradiction in Nature- Work of God- that corrects science; and a revealed Religion-Word of God- that depends on the Revelation from the one true creator God.
Coming to your other points:

1. Galileo’s persecution by the Pope was unjust. The pope or his associate clergy do not represent the truthful religion. Jesus, Moses, Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Socrates and Muhammad did not oppose any scientific endeavour or persecute any scientist. The above persons were the direct recipients of Revelation.

The acts of the clergy are wrongs done by man against man and it is sinful and deplorable. It is just like the secular rulers who do wrongs sometimes or often.

2. If a human word spoken can effect changes in the world; then I think Word of God could do much.
If for example, words spoken by the Head of State of America can make changes in the world; Word of the creator God could do much more.

Friendly discussion is always welcome.

Thanks again and regards