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Quran is the only authentic source of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; other source never existed in the time of Muhammad

March 9, 2014

Random thoughts
“Gibbon on Mohammed”
https://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/gibbon-on-mohammed/
https://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/gibbon-on-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-12353

paarsurrey says:
March 9, 2014 at 18:38

What I meant to say was that if one wanted to make a valid and valuable comment on Islam/Muhammad then it would be most reasonable for one to make it from what is written in Quran as it is the first and the foremost source of guidance of Muslims whatever the denomination; else your comments have no weightage.

Other sources of any authenticity simply never existed in the time of Muhammad.

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/gibbon-on-mohammed/#comment-12355

paarsurrey says:
March 9, 2014 at 19:12
@ makagutu

I think, perhaps, you have not read Quran yourself intently; all events of high value are recorded in Quran as soon as these happened.

Hadith was written about 250/300 years after Muhammad. All tenets and practices of Islam are amply mentioned in Quran. If there had been no Hadith even then Quran was sufficient for guidance of the Muslims.

Quran existed in the time of Muhammad; the Revelation was received and completed in 23 years of the ministry of Muhammad; and primarily committed to memory by the Muslims; only as a secondary measure it was also written down by the scribes as dictated to them by Muhammad.

I therefore request you to read Quran yourself for any valuable comments on Quran/Islam/Muhammad; else they go waste.

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/gibbon-on-mohammed/#comment-12365

paarsurrey says:
March 9, 2014 at 19:44
@ makagutu

We believe in the One-True-God (Allah) and believe in Muhammad as a Messenger of Him. The Message of Allah is important to us; we don’t have to go into details of the private and personal life of Muhammad as we don’t worship him.
Following are primarily important for Muslims:

Six Articles of Faith

• Unity of God
• His Angels
• His Books
• His Prophets
• The Last Day
• Divine Decree

Five Pillars of Islam
• Kalima
• Prayer
• Fasting
• Zakaat
• Hajj

http://www.alislam.org/

Thanks

“Is atheism more comforting than theism?”; no, certainly not

February 20, 2014

I posted following comments; blog “Enquiries on Atheism”: topic “Is atheism more comforting than theism”: link:

http://atheistenquiry.org/2014/02/19/is-atheism-more-comforting-than-theism/

http://atheistenquiry.org/2014/02/19/is-atheism-more-comforting-than-theism/comment-page-1/#comment-4527

paarsurrey
February 20, 2014 • 3:15 pm
I gave following comments on “Random thoughts” where this post has been reblogged.
paarsurrey says:
February 20, 2014 at 18:08

@ all the atheist friends in humanity who usually visit “Random thoughts”

“Is atheism more comforting than theism?”

No; it is not. People become Atheists just for convenience; not that there is any Truth in Atheism. Atheism cannot stand on its own; how could it give any comfort to others. The real comfort is in Truth; Atheism is a position of doubt and ignorance; it is an illusion.

Please don’t mind; no disrespect intended to anyone.

http://atheistenquiry.org/2014/02/19/is-atheism-more-comforting-than-theism/comment-page-1/#comment-4527

paarsurrey
February 20, 2014 • 10:10 pm

@stephenpruis: February 20, 2014 • 8:31 pm

Sorry for the apparent disrespect that I never intended.
I appreciate your decades of search and research for truth.

May I know; what religion your mother and father followed?

I am unhappy to ask this personal question; reply only if you feel expedient to answer; no compulsion.

Please

Thanks

Verse [2:191] of Quran is peaceful

February 14, 2014

My comments: blog “Random thoughts”: topic “Free speech”: link:
http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/
http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-11801

archaeopteryx1 says:
February 13, 2014 at 19:16

Hey, Paarsurrey! You want to explain these, from your “one true god”…….?

1. Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them (2:191).
2. Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood (9:123).
3. When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5).
4. Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29).
5. Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85).
6. The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30).
7. Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam (5:33).
8. The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28).
9. Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies (22:19).
10. Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4).
11. The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65).
12. Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28).
13. Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12).
14. Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60).

paarsurrey says:
February 14, 2014 at 23:53
@archaeopteryx1 says:February 13, 2014 at 19:16

There is no violence verse in Quran. We will discuss the verses one by one from your list.
First we take Quran verse 2:191, at serial no.1 of you post.
I give here the context verses:
[2:191] And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.
[2:192] And kill them wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than killing. And fight them not in, and near, the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them: such is the requital for the disbelievers
[2:193] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[2:194] And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.
[2:195] The violation of a Sacred Month should be retaliated in the Sacred Month; and forall sacred things there is the law of retaliation. So, whoso transgresses against you, punish him for his transgression to the extent to which he has transgressed against you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=188

As one could see the verses are not general for all non-believers but are specific, as the context shows, for the Meccans who had declared a war with Muslims, they did not allow them the freedom of speech and freedom of worship,persecuted Muslims at Mecca severely to the extent that the Muslims had to migrate from Mecca to take refuge at Medina- then called Yasrub. Even then the won’t let them peacefully at Medina and continually attacked the Muslims at Medina, a hundred miles away, with large numbers.

The verse and the context verses are specific for such Meccans and not general for the non-believers.
I am already discussing this verse at another atheist blog; those who like to join there; they may give their point of view there, please:

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html?showComment=1391965526224#c6475111282129573372

Welcome for discussion

Atheists! Is only a scientific evidence to be considered as evidence?

February 13, 2014

My comments at blog; “Random thoughts”; topic:“Do these people think about what they tell us of their god”; link:

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/do-these-people-think-about-what-they-tell-us-of-their-god/
http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/02/12/do-these-people-think-about-what-they-tell-us-of-their-god/comment-page-1/#comment-11786

paarsurrey says:
February 14, 2014 at 02:37
@ shelldigger says:February 13, 2014 at 23:10

For instance; the Atheists demand from us evidence, provable evidence and proofs; if we ask them for the same; they are not prepared to give us one.

They are not even ready to define as to what they mean from evidence with their own words.

Is only a scientific evidence to be considered as evidence?

Quran: verses in the context must be referred for clear understanding

February 1, 2014

I have written comment on the “Random thoughts” blog at the topic “Knowing the mind of god”
:
http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/#comment-11085

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-11262

paarsurrey says:
February 2, 2014 at 02:41

Ron: Jan 30, 7:38 am
Quote,“In another part of the Qur’an, we read:
*{Certainly, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blazing fire to dwell therein forever, they shall find neither protector nor helper. On the day when their faces are turned about in the fire, they shall say, “Would that we had obeyed Allah and obeyed the Messenger!”}* (Al-Ahzab 33: 64-66)” Unquote

Paarsurrey wrote:

Here again you have understood the verse incorrectly; the non-believers in general have not been addressed. The Jews and other non-Muslims in Medina who were under a treaty with the Muslims not to have any links with the Meccans as they were under war with the Muslims; they were addressed in these verses specifically.

[33:61] If the hypocrites, and those in whose heart is a disease, and those who cause agitation in the city, desist not, We shall surely give thee authority over them; then they will not dwell therein as thy neighbours, save for a little while.
[33:62] Then they will be accursed. Wherever they are found, they will be seized, and cut into pieces.
[33:63] Such has been the way of Allah in the case of those who passed away before, and thou wilt never find a change in the way of Allah.
[33:64] Men ask thee concerning the Hour. Say, ‘The knowledge of it is with Allah alone.’ And what will make thee know that the Hour may be nigh?
[33:65] Allah has surely cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a burning fire,

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=33&verse=62

Those who did not accept Islam/Quran/Muhammad with logical reasons; they are not addressed in these verses.

Hope the verses are now clear to you

Thanks

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/comment-page-1/#comment-11262

Quran: To understand a verse correctly; the verses in the context also must be referred

February 1, 2014

I have written comment on the “Random thoughts” blog at the topic “Knowing the mind of god”:

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/01/29/knowing-the-mind-of-god/#comment-11085

paarsurrey says:
February 2, 2014 at 01:20

@ Ron : Jan 30, 7:38 am

Quote :“Those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- on them is Allah.s curse, and the curse of angels, and of all mankind; They will abide therein: Their penalty will not be lightened, nor will respite be their (lot). (2:161-162)” Unquote

Paarsurrey says:

To understand a verse correctly; one should read it together with the verses in the context:

[2:160] Those who conceal what We have sent down of Signs and guidance after We have made it clear for the people in the Book, it is these whom Allah curses; and so curse them those who curse.
[2:161] But they who repent and amend and openly declare the truth, it is these to whom I turn with forgiveness, and I am Oft-Returning with compassion and Merciful.
[2:162] Those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, on them shall be the curse of Allah and of angels and of men all together.
[2:163] They shall remain under it. The punishment shall not be lightened for them, nor shall they be granted respite.
[2:164] And your God is One God; there is no God but He, the Gracious, the Merciful.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=160

Please see the sentence [2:160] “We have made it clear for the people in the Book”; the verse is not in general for the non-believers; it is specific here for the people of the book or the Jews and Christians (called people of the book in Quran); so it is not for the Atheists here.

Hope that helps.

Thanks

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