Posts Tagged ‘Punishment’

Buddha permits war to a soldier/General

April 2, 2013

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Gospel of Buddha

“And Simha said: “One doubt still lurks in my mind concerning the doctrine of the Blessed One. Will the Blessed One consent to clear the cloud away so that I may understand the Dharmaas the Blessed One teaches it?”14

The Tathagata having given his consent, Simha continued: “I am a soldier, O Blessed One, and am appointed by the king to enforce his laws and to wage his wars. Does the Tathagata who teaches kindness without end and compassion with all sufferers, permit the punishment of the criminal? and further, does the Tathagata declare that it is wrong to go to war for the protection of our homes, our wives, our children, and our property? Does the Tathagata teach the doctrine of a complete self-surrender, so that I should suffer the evil-doer to do what he pleases and yield submissively to him who threatens to take by violence what is my own? Does the Tathagata maintain that all strife, including such warfare as is waged for a righteous cause, should be forbidden?”15

The Buddha replied: “He who deserves punishment must be punished, and he who is worthy of favor must be favored. Yet at the same time he teaches to do no injury to any living being but to be full of love and kindness. These injunctions are not contradictory, for whosoever must be punished for the crimes which he has committed, suffers his injury not through the ill-will of the judge but on account of his evil-doing. His own acts have brought upon him the injury that the executer of the law inflicts. When a magistrate punishes, let him not harbor hatred in his breast, yet a murderer, when put do death, should consider that this is the fruit of his own act. As soon as he will understand that the punishment will purify his soul, he will no longer lament his fate but rejoice at it.”16

Pages: 147-148 Chapter: LI. SIMHA’S QUESTION CONCERNING
ANNIHILATION.
http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Buddhism/The%20Gospel%20of%20Buddha%20-%20Paul%20Carus.pdf

Paarsurrey says:

It is in this context that Quran permitted Muhammad and his companions to wage war with the Meccans:

[22:40] Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged — and Allah indeed has power to help them —

[22:41] Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah’ — And if Allah did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft commemorated. And Allah will surely help one who helps Him. Allah is indeed Powerful, Mighty —

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=22&verse=39

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Satan has no absolute power on humans

December 12, 2011

It is a wrong concept to believe that Satan or devil has absolute power on the human beings; one should see the following verse:

[14:23] And when the matter is decided, Satan will say, ‘Allah promised you a promise of truth, but I promised you and failed you. And I had no power over you except that I called you and you obeyed me. So blame me not, but blame your own selves. I cannot succour you nor can you succour me. I have already disclaimed your associating me with God. For the wrongdoers there shall, surely, be a grievous punishment.’

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=14&verse=22

Jesus never in fact claimed any deity in literal terms

January 24, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/punishment-for-claimants-of-divinity-in-jews-from-moses/#comment-891

Hi friend sch

I thank you for sending me an ocean of words , not on the topic , yet not quoting in your reply as I have asked you any verses from the OTBible or Torah where punishment for the claimant of divinity has been mentioned for Jews by Moses.

You may quote it now, if you like; there is however no compulsion.
So Jesus was a claimant of the office of a Prophet Messenger of the Creator -God Allah YHWH; and Jews tried to punish him as a false Prophet Messenger as mentioned in Deuteronomy 13 and Leviticus 24.
There is no punishment in Torah for a claimant of Divinity; so this was not a charge against Jesus by the Jews; Jesus never in fact claimed any deity in literal terms.

Jesus survived death on the Cross and later he migrated to India; and thus Jews failed in their designs and Jesus was proved a truthful Prophet of the Creator- God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus made good his escape to India

January 23, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/#comment-886

Aaron Says:

Hi again,

I agree with you that Deuteronomy 13 is relevant to the charge for which Jesus was condemned (along with other passages such as Leviticus 24:16).

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Aaron

I thank you for acknowledging that the Jews tried to punish Jesus for his claim of Prophet-hood or Messenger-ship; and it was not for Jesus claiming any divinity which Jesus had never done in literal terms.
Jesus never claimed any literal divinity (being the Creator- God Allah YHWH) in him and he never showed any signs for that. Jesus did not create any Sun to make two Suns; or he did not create any more Moons to make them two moons or a further additional Earth where people could go and inhibit it ; everything remained the same as far the creation is concerned; there was no visible or invisible change in the Universe. Jesus only claimed being a Messenger or Prophet like so many before him.

Jesus could therefore not claim any deity for himself.
It is Paul who claimed it for Jesus only to be-fool the so called “Christians”. Paul frustrated the claim Jesus had made of a truthful Prophet Messenger. Paul on the face of it promoted Jesus from a Prophet Messenger to a god; and in reality with cunning-ness he deprived him of the both. He made Jesus a false Messenger Prophet by hanging him on the Cross with the purpose of dieing on the Cross; and thus receiving and acknowledging receipt and execution of the punishment prescribed by Moses for a false Prophet Messenger.

Since Jesus did not die on the Cross, after treatment in the tomb where he was laid, of his injuries inflicted on him on the Cross he made good his escape to India; so the basis carved by Paul for Jesus’ divinity never materialized.

Paul succeeded in be-fooling the Catholics Protestants; till such time this infamy put on Jesus by Paul was exposed by Muhammad when he exonerated Jesus of such wrongs by receiving a Word from the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Punishment for claimants of divinity in Jews from Moses

January 22, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/#comments

Aaron Says:

You quote from the Bible as the source for your answer. That’s great. Do you know what the Bible says concerning the charge made by the Jews against Jesus?

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend Aaron

Since NTBible is neither Word of God nor even a word of Jesus; its authors are anonymous people and have been named Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, just to add some credulity to these gospels; I believe only that statements of NTBible which are not against Quran.
Jesus pegged his biggest sign with Jonah; and Jonah was only a Prophet; for just repeating the same sign which did not make Jonah a god; how could the same sign make Jesus a god? The Catholics and Protestants should ponder over this; if they believe in an iota of reason in the NTBible.
Since you believe in OTBible, please quote the punishment Jews had from Moses for the claimant of divinity?
Perhaps that answers your question also.

Aaron Says:

Hi,

It sounds like you want it both ways. You did not quote Matthew’s Gospel about the charge Jesus was condemned: blasphemy (an example of Jesus’ claim to divine authority). But you reference Matthew’s Gospel about Jonah. I think philosophers call what you are doing the fallacy of “manufacturing facts from a theory” and/or “special pleading”. You are rewriting the New Testament to fit your procrustean bed.
Would you please explain why you don’t believe Jesus was condemned for blasphemy as it is recorded in Matthew 26:65 and why you believe Matthew 12:39-41? From Matthew’s Gospel, can you tell me what texts of the Old Testament Jesus used in His response to the High Priest (Matthew 26:64)?
Jesus’ death, resurrection, and empty tomb is good news for all who believe. Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24).
Regards,
Aaron

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends Aaron

I think I had already elaborated my position regarding gospels in my previous post:

Quote: “Since NTBible is neither Word of God nor even a word of Jesus; its authors are anonymous people and have been named Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, just to add some credulity to these gospels; I believe only that statements of NTBible which are not against Quran.” Unquote.

If Jesus never attempted to write any gospels in Judea; how could I dare write it? It was cunning Paul and the clever Church who got hold of anonymous writings and for their own motives and after editing and naming arbitrarily, presented it as Gospels. Jesus had nothing to do with this plethora of writings. He never authorized or dictated anybody to publish this stuff in his absence when he was alive and living happily in India.

I was waiting for you response to mention punishment of claimants of divinity in Jews from Moses. Would you please respond?
May the Creator- God Allah YHWH bless you! And may He open your heart for acceptance of truth.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

The sign which did not make Jonah a god; how could the same sign make Jesus a god?

January 22, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/

Aaron Says:

You quote from the Bible as the source for your answer. That’s great. Do you know what the Bible says concerning the charge made by the Jews against Jesus?

Paarsurrey says:

Since NTBible is neither Word of God nor even a word of Jesus; its authors are anonymous people and have been named Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, just to add some credulity to these gospels; I believe only that statements of NTBible which are not against Quran.

Jesus pegged his biggest sign with Jonah; and Jonah was only a Prophet; for just repeating the same sign which did not make Jonah a god; how could the same sign make Jesus a god? The Catholics and Protestants should ponder over this; if they believe in an iota of reason in the NTBible.

Since you believe in OTBible, please quote the punishment Jews had from Moses for the claimant of divinity?

Perhaps that answers your question also.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Krishna, Moses, Jesus; were they democratic?

July 22, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/20/reporter-faces-death-for-pro-israel-‎view/#more-9279‎

paarsurrey says: ‎

Hi friends Moooo and Demsci

I think that this site is not against Muslims; at least I understand like that. What Muslims ‎States do or do not do ; they are responsible for that and that is Politics.They would be ‎responsible for their actions and they would be judged as per the teachings of ‎Quran/Islam/Muhammad; if they do bad deeds, they would get punishment from God ‎Allah YHWH; if they do good deeds they would be rewarded accordingly.

Krishna, Moses, Jesus; were they democratic?

Please answer this question so that we may discuss it further.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peacefully Muslim

Human interpretation can twist the entire message

May 4, 2009

Paarsurrey says:

While commenting on my comments, to his comments on my post:https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/05/02/mere-sinful-scribes-could-not-make-jesus-of-bible-any-better-god/#comments, our fried paul8bee, has made us rich with his learned views.

“”we all can be very wrong about what we believe””
The act of being crucified on the cross was a demonstration of freedom. ?
The enslavement of the mind to disillusionment is also slavery!?
“”Using the work of another to support my theory; Both I and the link could be false””
Human interpretation can twist the entire message.

paul8bee says:

URL : http://paulscave.wordpress.com

Wow, great comments.

As I understand things. Human beings have an incredible talent for self delusion. We can create and imagine just about anything at all, and believe that our manufactured thoughts are real and absolute.

I state this, because, before any serious discussion is to be had, all parties in the discussion must accept the truth that we all can be very wrong about what we believe, and we must be willing, at least, to admit we are wrong. “The smarter I get, the LESS I know”

In philosophy we have a tenet that is called “An Appeal to Authority”
Whenever I use a quote, such as the link I just posted, I am making an appeal to authority. This means that I am using the work of another to support my theory. This does not guarantee that the authority that I am quoting is correct, or that I am correct for that matter. Both I and the link could be false.

Many times I use a link to the bible. This is an appeal to the authority of the bible. But, make note, I do not understand the bible to be absolutely correct in all its assertions.

I have never read the Koran; therefore I can not have much of an opinion of what it says in that book. The fact is, that not one piece of literature is so perfect as to “not be misunderstood” .Human interpretation can twist the entire message. Having said all that, I’ll get to the point.

The act of being crucified on the cross was a demonstration of freedom. How can you control a slave nation, if no one will do as they are told?

Punishment was the way to control the slaves. Jesus was out to free the enslaved, those enslaved by sin, and those who were enslaved to law. The enslavement of the mind to disillusionment is also slavery, as real as being forced to work manual labor at the end of a whip.

Psychology is the study of the human mind. It is amazing just how much pain we put ourselves through with our minds.

Rules are for those who are expected to obey; Principles are for those who are expected to think. Jesus was not demonstrating disobedience to the law, but instead he was demonstrating the Principle of freedom. In short, when the individual is finally free from the paralyzing fear, which slavery to sin makes us all, then that person will begin to know peace.

This is my opinion, and I could be wrong.

My goal is, to communicate and not be misunderstood.

Therefore I maintain that I am a scholar, and have much yet to learn.
Thank for the dialog. It is always educational and inspirational to post ones thoughts and get some feedback.

Paarsurrey says:

We will discuss the above comments bit by bit with a spirit of learning in separate posts. Though I don’t agree to all his views, yet I appreciate most of them.

I love Jesus and his mission as described in Quran.

Regards

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim