Posts Tagged ‘Protestants’

Catholics Protestants to note:it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church

January 30, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4997&start=60

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi my Catholic Protestant friends

I think the church going Catholics Protestants don’t read the Bible; the man-made NTBible, as I see many women there, and even singing the hymns in total disregard of the teachings of the Church.

1 Corinthians 14:

34 Let women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted them to speak, but to be subject, as also the law saith. 35 But if they would learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is a shame for a woman to speak in the church.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/53014.htm

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus never died a cursed death on Cross; he survived

January 30, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=93256#p93256

Brendalee wrote:

Please point me to the contemporary documents from Jesus’ time, that tell the story of Jesus going off to India so I may read it for myself

I love Isa and Miriam as mentioned in Bible

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Brendalee

Please read the book “Jesus in India” written by the Second Coming, the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 by accessing Ahmadiyya Official Website> library> books> Mirza Ghulam Ahmad. It is available online; please google for it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Bible cannot and should not be taken as a whole

January 28, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5516&p=92927#p92927

A Christian wrote:

The problem we Christians have is when the Bible is not taken as a whole.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends

The Bible cannot and should not be taken as a whole, as it was never a complete “whole”. It is not a book written by one author or at one time. It is a collection of heterogeneous books having nothing in common, not selected by Jesus; but selected haphazardly by people who were not authorized by Jesus to do this work. For instance four Gospels were selected from 56 books; the selectors never mentioned as to why they selected four and rejected the rest of them. It is erring men selecting unauthorized from Jesus.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

The Cross of the imagination of Paul stands broken

January 25, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=5516&start=100

HollowScar wrote:

Also, Islam is the fastest growing, but look at the population of Muslims in some countries which are overpopulated. Look at the fact that, leaving means death. Look at the fact that there are many Muslims who aren’t true to themselves, and may not even be considered a Muslim by Allah. Look at the fact that Christianity is the largest religion in the world.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend HollowScar

I just want to correct you on one thing; “Christianity” is a misnomer started by Paul and the Church, it has nothing to do with Jesus or Mary or their beliefs and teachings. It is conglomerate of many denominations/faiths/religions 32000+ of them clubbed together with hardly anything in common. Each one of them considers themselves as the only true Christians and the others as heretics. So the population they quote is to be divided by at least 32000 and the quotient should be compared to the Muslims. The Catholics don’t consider Protestants as Christians and the vice versa. If you need I can provide you the references or just visit Catholics forums and see what they believe about Protestants; you may also visit the Protestant forums and see for yourself what they think about the Catholics.

A majority of the Catholics and Protestants have become Atheists Agnostics; as they don’t believe that Jesus was a God; human conscience rejects divinity of Jesus. If you count the Church going Christians; you will find still much less active members of these religions.

The Catholics Protestants, if they sincerely believe in Jesus; they should reform and reject all worthless concepts of Paul, clever working of his cunning brain, carved out of thin air or the same are like a spider’s web; only then the Catholics Protestants can bring back or salvage their members who have silently got converted to Atheism Agnosticism.

As it is not secret; the Atheists Agnostics though they should have been a reasonable people; yet being un-natural concepts they are nothing more than a meme; their permanent abode is in doubt and they have no recourse except in derision and ridiculing others. I still hope they may reform, if they start respecting other human beings. I respect their faith or un-faith.

The Catholics Protestants should find the true teachings of Jesus, Moses and other Messengers Prophets of the Creator – God Allah YHWH and also righteous women like Mary and Moses’ mother and should follow their beliefs and their acts and deeds. Therein lies their salvation; not in the obsolete concept of Jesus dieing on the Cross; as Jesus did not die on the Cross, so the Cross of the imagination of Paul stands broken and is futile as per his own words. Jesus made good his escape to India and died there peacefully and naturally at the age of about 120 years.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus made good his escape to India

January 23, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/#comment-886

Aaron Says:

Hi again,

I agree with you that Deuteronomy 13 is relevant to the charge for which Jesus was condemned (along with other passages such as Leviticus 24:16).

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Aaron

I thank you for acknowledging that the Jews tried to punish Jesus for his claim of Prophet-hood or Messenger-ship; and it was not for Jesus claiming any divinity which Jesus had never done in literal terms.
Jesus never claimed any literal divinity (being the Creator- God Allah YHWH) in him and he never showed any signs for that. Jesus did not create any Sun to make two Suns; or he did not create any more Moons to make them two moons or a further additional Earth where people could go and inhibit it ; everything remained the same as far the creation is concerned; there was no visible or invisible change in the Universe. Jesus only claimed being a Messenger or Prophet like so many before him.

Jesus could therefore not claim any deity for himself.
It is Paul who claimed it for Jesus only to be-fool the so called “Christians”. Paul frustrated the claim Jesus had made of a truthful Prophet Messenger. Paul on the face of it promoted Jesus from a Prophet Messenger to a god; and in reality with cunning-ness he deprived him of the both. He made Jesus a false Messenger Prophet by hanging him on the Cross with the purpose of dieing on the Cross; and thus receiving and acknowledging receipt and execution of the punishment prescribed by Moses for a false Prophet Messenger.

Since Jesus did not die on the Cross, after treatment in the tomb where he was laid, of his injuries inflicted on him on the Cross he made good his escape to India; so the basis carved by Paul for Jesus’ divinity never materialized.

Paul succeeded in be-fooling the Catholics Protestants; till such time this infamy put on Jesus by Paul was exposed by Muhammad when he exonerated Jesus of such wrongs by receiving a Word from the Creator-God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Paul founded the modern “Christianity and Church” with the sole purpose of character assassination of Jesus

January 23, 2010

Paul founded the modern “Christianity and Church” with the sole purpose of character assassination of Jesus

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4997&p=91948#p91948

Paul is NOT total Christianity

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends

Let the Catholics and Protestants say the above words (Paul is NOT total Christianity); why should an Atheist Agnostic plead their case? Let the Catholics Protestants stand on their own feet; and defend their own faith.

Present “Christianity” is founded by Paul; Paul’s absurdities have nothing to do with Jesus and Mary. “Christianity’ of Paul and the “Church” was invented at Rome only with the sole purpose of character assassination of Jesus in his absence; when he took refuge in India, with Mary his mother, from the atrocities of Jews.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

The concept of Trinity is alien to Jesus and Mary

January 23, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=91931#p91931

Wootah wrote:

I believe (Trinity) God is Good and Just

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wootah

First of all the Catholics Protestants should present the claim of the Trinity as also the essence of its reason from the Gospels; why should you try to put words into the mouth of Trinity, your assumed god, which it individually and collectively failed to mention in your book or to provide reason for it, to start with?

I don’t think your Trinity-god has anything to do with justice when it attempted to kill its own son for the sins of others; it is a cruel Trinity-god. Would you following your Trinity-god kill you own son or daughter for the sins of a passerby in the street? It is a cruel act, so you should rather leave the Trinity-god; than doing this inhuman act.

Trinity is neither Good nor Just; it is cruel and irrational.

The concept of Trinity is alien to Jesus and Mary; they never believed in it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus was not a crazy man to claim divinty

January 22, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/#comments

Hi friend Aaron

You say “The punishment for blasphemy, according to Mosaic Law, was death (Leviticus 24:16”.

Let us see what is mentioned in the verses quoted by you.

Leviticus 24:10-20

10 And behold there went out the son of a woman of Israel, whom she had of an Egyptian, among the children of Israel, and fell at words in the camp with a man of Israel.
11 And when he had blasphemed the name, and had cursed it, he was brought to Moses: (now his mother was called Salumith, the daughter of Dabri, of the tribe of Dan:) 12 And they put him into prison, till they might know what the Lord would command. 13 And the Lord spoke to Moses, 14 Saying: Bring forth the blasphemer without the camp, and let them that heard him, put their hands upon his head, and let all the people stone him. 15 And thou shalt speak to the children of Israel: the man that curseth his God, shall bear his sin:
16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, dying let him die: all the multitude shall stone him, whether he be a native or a stranger. He that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, dying let him die. 17 He that striketh and killeth a man, dying let him die. 18 He that killeth a beast, shall make it good, that is to say, shall give beast for beast. 19 He that giveth a blemish to any of his neighbours: as he hath done, so shall it be done to him: 20 Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, shall he restore. What blemish he gave, the like shall he be compelled to suffer.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/03024.htm

Now we look into the verses as mentioned by you.

1. Now the passage mentions the man “he had blasphemed the name, and had cursed it”, it does not say with transparency that the man claimed to be God; he cursed God as is written there and that does not make one claimant of divinity, for sure.
2. So I don’t think that you have been able to quote any appropriate verse for punishment of a claimant of God from Moses.
3. Unless you mention such a verse; I don’t think that there was any punishments of claiming a god; as it is obviously a crazy claim for a human being; does not involve any punishment in this world as there is no ambiguity in it.
4. How could Jesus make such a crazy claim? And why should he when he was not a god; he did not die on Cross and like Moses who migrated from Egypt to Arabian Peninsula to save his life; so did Jesus, he was delivered from the Cross in near-dead position and later when he recovered from the injuries, secretly, he made good his escape to India; so like Moses he was only a Prophet of God.
5. If as you say (though it is totally incorrect) that Jesus claimed literal divinity; then the Jews should have insisted that Jesus be stoned in the public as per the Law of Moses; they preferred to hang him on the Cross, just to prove that he was a cursed man; and that Jesus was not, he was Chosen-One of God and His beloved.

Please find some transparent verses from Moses in the issue to strengthen your claim.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks and regards.

NTBible (or Gospels) is neither Word of God nor Word of Jesus

January 22, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=91759#p91759

Wootah wrote:

Reason isn’t native to you; is it?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends

Reason is very natural with me; of course, as our Quran is Word from the Creator- God Allah YHWH, has claims and reason on every topic relating to ethical, moral and spiritual guidance of human beings in it.

The NTBible is neither Word of the Creator -God Allah YHWH, nor of Jesus, so it is naturally bereft of claims and the reasons. The Claims and reason have to be imported invariably from out of the Gospels or just from the imagination. They loan it from the cunning Paul or the clever Church.

This proves that NTBible is not Word of God.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Punishment for claimants of divinity in Jews from Moses

January 22, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/#comments

Aaron Says:

You quote from the Bible as the source for your answer. That’s great. Do you know what the Bible says concerning the charge made by the Jews against Jesus?

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend Aaron

Since NTBible is neither Word of God nor even a word of Jesus; its authors are anonymous people and have been named Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, just to add some credulity to these gospels; I believe only that statements of NTBible which are not against Quran.
Jesus pegged his biggest sign with Jonah; and Jonah was only a Prophet; for just repeating the same sign which did not make Jonah a god; how could the same sign make Jesus a god? The Catholics and Protestants should ponder over this; if they believe in an iota of reason in the NTBible.
Since you believe in OTBible, please quote the punishment Jews had from Moses for the claimant of divinity?
Perhaps that answers your question also.

Aaron Says:

Hi,

It sounds like you want it both ways. You did not quote Matthew’s Gospel about the charge Jesus was condemned: blasphemy (an example of Jesus’ claim to divine authority). But you reference Matthew’s Gospel about Jonah. I think philosophers call what you are doing the fallacy of “manufacturing facts from a theory” and/or “special pleading”. You are rewriting the New Testament to fit your procrustean bed.
Would you please explain why you don’t believe Jesus was condemned for blasphemy as it is recorded in Matthew 26:65 and why you believe Matthew 12:39-41? From Matthew’s Gospel, can you tell me what texts of the Old Testament Jesus used in His response to the High Priest (Matthew 26:64)?
Jesus’ death, resurrection, and empty tomb is good news for all who believe. Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24).
Regards,
Aaron

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends Aaron

I think I had already elaborated my position regarding gospels in my previous post:

Quote: “Since NTBible is neither Word of God nor even a word of Jesus; its authors are anonymous people and have been named Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, just to add some credulity to these gospels; I believe only that statements of NTBible which are not against Quran.” Unquote.

If Jesus never attempted to write any gospels in Judea; how could I dare write it? It was cunning Paul and the clever Church who got hold of anonymous writings and for their own motives and after editing and naming arbitrarily, presented it as Gospels. Jesus had nothing to do with this plethora of writings. He never authorized or dictated anybody to publish this stuff in his absence when he was alive and living happily in India.

I was waiting for you response to mention punishment of claimants of divinity in Jews from Moses. Would you please respond?
May the Creator- God Allah YHWH bless you! And may He open your heart for acceptance of truth.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks