Posts Tagged ‘prophecy’

Are Christians cut-off from the Tree of Life?

March 22, 2014

http://fidedubitandum.wordpress.com/2014/03/19/only-the-worst-positions-allowed/#comment-3758

paarsurrey
March 21st, 2014 at 7:40 pm

@john zande :March 21st, 2014 at 6:27 am
“Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.”Unquote

I want to share an incident with friends here.

Quite sometimes ago two JWs persons came to my house and told me that there had been no change in the Bible, it is impossible and opened before me the above two passage of Revelation 22:18-19 from the Urdu Protestant Bible (later I came to know that JWs don’t had their own Urdu JW’s Bible at that time, and hence they preferred to follow Protestant Version and not the Catholic Version).

Incidentally I had a Catholic Urdu Bible with me which I was studying very intently, and I was much impressed by its contents.

I brought that and put that on the table. I said let us check both the versions, I did not know as to what the result would be. So we started checking the list of books given in the beginning.

We came to know that there were some six books in the Catholic Urdu OT Bible which were not to be found in the Protestant Bible.

They (the JWs) became pale and upset and went away.

So the addition or diminution of the books; and besides that many passage/verses and chapters missing or adding suggest, please don’t mind, that perhaps both the Protestants and Catholics have been cut off from the tree of life in terms of the above verses of Revelation 22:18-19.

What is the remedy?
Can both the mainstream Christian denominations agree to a version which should be acceptable to both of them and the JWs?

Thanks

The Prophecy and The Man titled “Musleh Maud”

February 27, 2014

Friday Sermon: Musleh Maud: The Prophecy and The Man
Sermon Delivered by Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad (at) Head of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Community.

Urdu English Arabic Bengali Bosnian Bulgarian French German Malayalam Pushto Russian Sindhi Spanish Swahili Tamil Turkish

Translations of the sermon are available on the above languages; please click the language of your choice.

http://www.alislam.org/friday-sermon/2014-02-21.html

Synopsis:

English

Yesterday was 20 February, a day which is commemorated as the day of the prophecy of Musleh Maud in the Jama’at. In this prophecy, the Promised Messiah(as) foretold the birth of a son of his who would be pious and righteous and would have many other qualities. Last Friday sermon was about signs given to the Promised Messiah(as) by God Almighty. As today is the closest Friday to 20 February, Hazrat Khalifatul Masih deemed it appropriate to give a discourse on the prophecy of 20 February, which was called a magnificent sign by the Promised Messiah(as).

These were the qualities the son was to have. We know that Hazrat Musleh Maud(ra) graced the office of Khilafat for 52 years and departed from this world having proved his mettle to the world. Many books would need to be written if one was to study in-depth these qualities and appraise the life of Hazrat Musleh Maud(ra). It is not possible to encompass his life and achievements in sermons and speeches. Jama’at commemorates 20 February every year and scholars give speeches according to their knowledge and insight on this subject.

Hazrat Musleh Maud(ra) wrote 10 books and journals on Kalam and 31 books and journals on spirituality, Islamic morals and Islamic creed. He wrote 13 books and journals on the life of the Holy Prophet(saw), 4 books and journals on history, 3 books and journals on jurisprudence (fiqah), 25 books and journals on the politics of pre-partition India and 9 books and journals on post-partition politics and establishment of Pakistan.

Akhtar Sahib of Patna University wrote that he sent the volumes of Tafseer e Kabir to a professor of Persian, Abdul Mannan Sahib, and the professor was so impressed that he distributed some of the volumes to other academics to read. He later asked them for their opinion on it. The academics acknowledged that there was no commentary of this calibre in Persian. When it was put to them what did they think about comparing it to Arabic commentaries, they said that Arabic commentaries were not available in Patna.

An example of Western scholars opining about Five Volume Commentary is British academic A J Arberry who was a scholar of Arabic, Persian and Islamic studies. He said that the Five Volume Commentary was a huge achievement and the then current volume was the first stage of the achievement. He said Ahmadi scholars started this great work under the encouraging auspices of Hazrat Mirza Bashir ud din Mahmood Ahmad. The work was of towering nature, i.e. to produce an edition of the Qur’an with accurate and corresponding translation in English as well as commentary on every verse.

Death of Sahibzada Mirza Hanif Ahmad, a son of Hazrat Musleh Maud(ra).

Prophecy of “another man of Allah after Muhammad”

June 26, 2013

I wrote following posts on <http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/> under the topic <  Another Man of Allah (God) *after* Muhammad (so says hadith); the posts are given below for the viewers of this blog.

#2  #6 #21

(To see the context of a post, please, click the post #; that will take you to the full single view of the post in the forum, and then click the thread topic on the right upper corner, that will take you to the discussion that ensued in the forum.)

Paarsurrey wrote:

#2

Originally Posted by Yahyaa WaahidI bear witness that there is no God but Allah and I bear witness that Moses, David, Jesus, and Muhammad are His Messengers.

As-Salaam Alaikum/Shalom Aleichem/Peace be unto you.

…My name is Yahyaa Waahid and though I have a Muslim name I am not Muslim. My religion is Sabianism, so anyone who states that I am Muslim is lying to you…I just wanted to say that because in the past I have been falsely labeled as Muslim but anyway, getting to the subject, I just wanted to point out to or remind anyone who is familiar with the sayings of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that he (Muhammad) said that another Divine Man of Allah (God) was to come after him. Many who believe in the Prophet Muhammad believe that he was the last Man of Allah or Prophet that we can expect…but according to the hadith, Muhammad prophesied that the Messiah would come and perform a Divine work. From the Bukhari hadith (Book #55, Hadith #657: ) 

“Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah’s Apostle said, “By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, surely (jesus,) the son of Mary will soon descend amongst you and will judge mankind justly (as a Just Ruler); he will break the Cross and kill the pigs and there will be no Jizya (i.e. taxation taken from non Muslims). Money will be in abundance so that nobody will accept it, and a single prostration to Allah (in prayer) will be better than the whole world and whatever is in it.” Abu Huraira added “If you wish, you can recite (this verse of the Holy Book): — ‘And there is none Of the people of the Scriptures (Jews and Christians) But must believe in him (i.e jesus as an Apostle of Allah and a human being) Before his death. And on the Day of Judgment He will be a witness Against them.” (4.159) (See Fateh Al Bari, Page 302 Vol 7)”

Would anyone like to debate this point of another Man of Allah (God) coming after Muhammad (pbuh)?

Peace & Blessings,
Yahyaa Waahid

Originally posted by Paarsurrey:

Hadith was collected 250 / 300 years after Muhammad. Even if a Hadith is stated to be Sahih for the chain of narrators; it is to be seen under the light of some verse/s of Quran, for correct meaning.

Can you quote a verse from Quran that clarifies your point of view? Please

#6

Originally Posted by Yahyaa WaahidIt is not…The hadith do not need to be presented with an ayat.

It is true that different Muslims believe different things, but regardless of your school of thought, that hadith is from the Bukhari collection and it’s words are very plain. Jesus is to come AFTER Muhammad, so the Muslim ummah should look for another Man after Muhammad.

Originally posted by Paarsurrey:

I give you the verse of Quran under which the Hadith needs to be interpreted:

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

The one who will come after Muhammad will be a successor of him and will follow Quran and Sunnah; his title name would be Promised Messiah, Jesus and Imam Mahdi.

Muhammad will still remain the top of the messengers prophets or seal of prophets.

#21

I further have to add that Muhammad being a Universal messenger prophet of the one true God, his religion Islam has been perfected so no messenger prophet could come in other local or regional religions as he is the Seal of Prophets so no true reformer from God now would come into them except that who is his successor and who follows Quran and Muhammad’s Sunnah.

Jesus was not to give up the ghost on the accursed wood; was he?

June 26, 2013

Hi

Let it be noted that though Christians believe that Jesus (peace be on him) after his arrest through the betrayal by Judas Iscariot, and crucifixion — and resurrection — went to heaven, yet, from the Holy Bible, it appears that this belief of theirs is altogether wrong. Matthew (chapter 12, verse 40) says that just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the fish, so the Son of Man shall be three days and three nights in the bowels of the earth.

Now it is clear that Jonah did not die in the belly of the fish; the utmost that happened was that he was in a swoon or a fit of fainting. The holy books of God bear witness that Jonah, by the grace of God, remained alive in the belly of the fish, and came out alive; and his people ultimately accepted him. If then Jesus (on whom be peace) had died in the belly of the ‘fish’, what resemblance could there be between a dead man and the one who was alive, and how could a living one be compared with one dead?

The truth rather is, that as Jesus was a true prophet and as he knew that God, whose beloved he was, would save him from an accursed death, he made a prophecy in the form of a parable, revealed to him by God, in which he hinted that he would not die on the Cross, nor would he give up the ghost on the accursed wood; on the contrary, like the prophet Jonah, he would only pass through a state of swoon. In the parable he had also hinted that he would come out of the bowels of the earth and would then join the people and, like Jonah, would be honoured by them.

So this prophecy too was fulfilled; for Jesus, coming out of the bowels of the earth, went to his tribes who lived in the eastern countries, Kashmir and Tibet, etc. viz. the ten tribes of the Israelites who 721 years1 before Jesus, had been taken prisoner from Samaria by Shalmaneser, King of Assur, and had been taken away by him.

Ultimately, these tribes came to India and settled in various parts of that country. Jesus at all events must have made this journey; for the divine object underlying his advent was that he should meet the lost Jews who had settled in different parts of India; the reason being that these in fact were the lost sheep of Israel who had given up even their ancestral faith in these countries, and most of whom had adopted Buddhism, relapsing, gradually into idolatry.

Dr. Bernier, on the authority of a number of learned people, states in his Travels that the Kashmiris in reality are Jews who in the time of the dispersal in the days of the King of Assur had migrated to this country.
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html
I think it is reasonable and it is fom the Bible

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

I respect your religion.
You are welcome to differ with me with reasaons

April 1, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

Surely Bible does prophesy for coming of Muhammad- the Chief of Prophets of God Allah YHWH.

Deuteronomy 18:15 reads, “The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers.”

The above quote mentions that the prophet would be raised from brothers of the Jews; not from amongst the Jews.

The Ishmaelites were the brothers of the Jews; and Muhammad was from the lineage of Ishmael.

In addition to it; the Jews took lineage from the father; and Jesus did not have a Jew as father; so he is not mentioned in Deuteronomy 18:15.

altruistico

Muslim apologists often argue that the Bible itself predicted the coming of  Muhammad. This is usually based on the teaching of Moses in Deuteronomy 18:15, the  teaching of Jesus in John  16:5-11, Isaiah  42:9-16, or Song of  Solomon 5:16.

In Deuteronomy 18:15, Moses speaks of “a prophet like me”  who would come in the future. Christians typically understand this future  prophet to be Jesus Christ, especially since John 5:46 records Jesus teaching, “Moses wrote of me.” Muslims seek to interpret this  “prophet like me” as a reference to Muhammad. The biggest problem with this  interpretation of Muhammad as the prophet is found in the verse itself. Deuteronomy 18:15 reads, “The LORD your God will raise up  for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers.” The future  prophet would be “from your brothers,” meaning a fellow Jew from one of the 12 …

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Peace and unity would be restored in and with all ‎revealed religions by understanding of ‎Quran as rationally and logically stated by the Promised Messiah/ Imam Mahdi

July 10, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/06/islam-and-the-myths-of-unity-and-‎peace/comment-page-1/#comment-16947‎

‎4. paarsurrey Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:23 am ‎

Hi friends

Muhammad, the chief of all Messengers/Prophets, himself prophesized degradation of ‎‎Muslims at a distant future time; and that was described by him as a sign of the advent of ‎‎Masih, Messiah, Issa, Jesus, Christ, Ibne Maryam and the Imam Mahdi; the reformer of ‎‎all revealed religions.

The advent of the above meaningful names has taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam ‎‎Ahmad 1835-1908.

Muhammad’s prophecy has been fulfilled and everybody is a witness to it.

All human beings are just a family; love for all, hatred for none.‎

Peace and unity would be restored in and with all ‎revealed religions by understanding of ‎Quran as rationally and logically stated by him.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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Muhammad prophesized about advent of the Promised Messiah (Issa, Ibne ‎Maryam, ‎Jesus Christ, Imam Mahdi) from amongst his true followers

July 10, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/07/05/is-islam-really-america%e2%80%99s-second-largest-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-16923

‎17. Moooo Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:04 am ‎

Hmmm, can you show us that this Ghulam (Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, ‎the Imam Mahdi) fellow was really a successor of Muhammad? Show us the verses that ‎talk about messiah.‎
‎“So Islam would be number one religion this way in the West (including America), I ‎believe.”


22. paarsurrey Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm

In my opinion, almost all denominations of Muslims believe that Imam Mahdi or the ‎Promised Messiah would be a follower successor of Muhammad.‎
Muhammad had himself prophesized about advent of the Promised Messiah (Issa, Ibne ‎Maryam, Jesus Christ, Imam Mahdi) from amongst his true followers.

I quote here from Muhammad:

‎1. [~~Yushaku man aasha minkum ianyulka eisabna maryama imamun mahduyyun , ‎hakamun iadualun yakserus saleba wa yaktulul khinzera]

One who would be alive (at that time), he would meet Issa (JesusYeshua) s/o Maryam ‎‎(MaryMerium) in the position of ImamMahdi (DivineGuided), a truthful judge (among ‎faiths/religions); he would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine. (Masnad ‎Ahmad 156/2)

‎2. ~~Abu Hurairah narrated from the Prophet Muhammad SAW that he said”
:
I swear by Him in whose hands rests my life or death that you would definitely witness ‎advent of the Ibne Maryam (Son of Mary); a truthful judge (among faiths/religions), he ‎would break the Cross (with arguments) and kill the swine and suspend the war (for ‎religious conversion).

‎(Bukhari Kitabul Anbeya, Bab Nazul-e Essa Ibne Maryam)
]‎
All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus of Bible had made a promise that some people would continue to live till his return; among these he had named John

May 20, 2009

Wdednh says:

Now, according to ALL holly writings from ALL holly books; when MESSIAH comes, it’s the end and the new start for the world. Now either I’m blind or truly isolated for i have not seen
a new world or even the end of the old one. Please explain and shine
your truth on my ignorance. Any way here it is the statement that
really got me confused.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wdednh

You don’t have to get confused. The Bible scribes were sinful persons; which is evident from their deserting Jesus alone crying on the Cross. Their writings were not holy and cannot be holy. They often misunderstood the things, exaggerated and most of the times they did not see the things in true and real perspective. Jesus’ second coming was totally misconceived by them.

I think you would like to know something from the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 in this connection.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad says:

And among the testimonies of the gospel which have reached us is the verse of Matthew, namely: ‘Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.’17 Likewise, the verse in John: ‘Jesus saith unto him, if I will that he (i.e., the disciple, John) tarry (i.e., in Jerusalem) till I come.’18 This means: ‘If I will, John will not die till I come again’.

These verses show with great clarity that Jesus (peace be on him) had made a promise that some people would continue to live till his return; among these he had named John. So the fulfillment of this promise was inevitable.

Accordingly, even Christians have admitted that in order that the prophecy may be taken to have been fulfilled, Jesus’ coming at a time when some of the people of that age were still alive was inevitable, so that the prophecy should have been fulfilled according to its promise.

This is the basis of the clergyman’s declaration that Jesus, in accordance with his promise, had come to Jerusalem at the time of its destruction and that John had seen him, as he was alive at that time. But let it be noted that Christians do not say that Jesus really came down from heaven accompanied by appointed signs; they rather say that he appeared to John as in a vision, that he might fulfill his prophecy contained in verse 28 of chapter 16 of Matthew.

But I say that coming of this kind does not fulfill the prophecy. That is a very weak interpretation which only avoids with difficulty the criticism leveled against this position.

This interpretation is patently untenable and wrong, so much so, that there is no need to refute it, for if Jesus had to appear to anyone in a dream or a vision, a prophecy of this kind would be ridiculous.19 In such manner Jesus had also appeared to Paul long before this.

It appears that the prophecy contained in verse 28 of chapter 16 of Matthew has caused a panic among the padres and they have not been able to give it a rational meaning in accordance with their own beliefs, for it was difficult for them to say that Jesus at the time of the sacking of Jerusalem had descended from heaven in glory, and that like the lightning that lights up all heaven and is seen by everybody, all had seen him; and also it was not easy for them to ignore the statement, namely: Some of those who were standing here will not taste death till they have seen the Son of man coming in his Kingdom.

Therefore, as a result of a labored interpretation they believed in the fulfillment of the prophecy in the shape of a vision. But this is not true; righteous servants of God always appear in visions to the elect and for a vision it is not even necessary that they should appear only in a dream; nay, they can be seen even in the waking state; I myself have experienced such phenomena.

I have seen Jesus (on whom be peace) many a time in Kashf (vision in the waking state), and I have met some of the prophets, while fully awake; I have also seen our Chief, Master and Leader, the Prophet Muhammad (may peace and the blessings of God be upon him) many a time in the waking state, and I have talked to him — in such a clear state of waking that sleep or drowsiness had nothing to do with it. I have also met some of the dead at their graves or other places, while awake; and have talked to them.

I very well know that such meeting with the dead in the waking state is possible; not only can we meet; we can also talk, and even have a handshake. Between this and the ordinary state of waking there is not difference in such an experience; one realizes that one is in this very world; one has the same ears, the same eyes, and the same tongue; but deeper reflection reveals a different universe.

The world has no realization of this sort of experience, for the world lives a life of indifference. This experience is a gift from heaven; it is for those who are endowed with new senses.

This is a fact — actual and true. Therefore, when Jesus appeared to John after the destruction of Jerusalem, though he was seen by the latter in the waking state, and though there may have been some talk and a hand-shake, nevertheless, the incident has nothing to do with the prophecy.

Such phenomena often happen in the world; and even now, if I devote some attention to it, I can, with the grace of God, in the waking state, see Jesus or some other holy prophet. Such a meeting does not fulfill the prophecy (contained in Matthew, chapter 16, verse 28).

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

So, the interpretation of the sinful scribes about Second Coming of Jesus is wrong. The interpretation of Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is correct and has been fulfilled in the form of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in the Quran.

Thanks

No Buddhist who believes prophecy of Metteyya could deny coming of Bagwa Metteyya or Jesus Christ Messiah to India

May 3, 2009

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, the Second Coming says:

The people of the land of this prophecy, i.e., the people of Magadh, in which was located Bajagriha, were dark. Gautama Buddha himself was dark. He had narrated to his followers two conclusive signs regarding the future Buddha; (1) that he would be ‘Bagwa’ or of white skin and (2) that he would be ‘Metteyya’, i.e., traveller, and that he would come from a foreign land. These people, therefore, always looked out for these signs till they actually saw Jesus.

Every Buddhist must necessarily profess the belief that five hundred years after the Buddha, the Bagwa (white) Metteyya did appear in their land. It should not be surprising, therefore, if books of the Buddhist faith should mention the coming of the Metteyya, i.e., of the Masiha, to their land, and of the fulfillment of his prophecy. Supposing there were not such mention, even then, because on this basis of divine revelation the Buddha had held out to his disciples the hope that the Bagwa Metteyya would come to their land, no Buddhist who was cognizant of this prophecy could deny the coming to this land of the Bagwa Metteyya, whose other name was Masiha; for the non-fulfilment of the prophecy would prove the falsity of the faith.

If the prophecy, for the fulfilment of which a time had been fixed and which Gautama Buddha had narrated to his disciples again and again had not been fulfilled at the ripe time, the followers of the Buddha would have doubted his truth and it would have been stated in books that this prophecy had not been fulfilled. Another argument in support of the fulfilment of this prophecy is, that in Tibet in the seventh century A.D. there were found books which contained the word Messiah, i.e., they mention the name of Jesus (on whom be peace) recorded as Mi-Shi-Hu. The compiler of the list which contained the word Mi-Shi-Hu is a Buddhist.

See A record of the Buddhist Religion by I. Tsing, translation by G. Takakusu. This Takakusu is a Japanese who has translated I. Tsing’s book, and I. Tsing is a Chinese traveller — on the margin and in the appendix to whose book Takakusu states that an ancient book contains the name Mi-Shi-Hu (Masih). This book belongs approximately to the seventh century; it was recently translated by a Japanese, G. Takakusu by name, and published by Clarendon Press, Oxford12. The book in any case contains the word Masih which shows with certainty that this word is not imported by the adherents of Buddha’s religion from outside; rather, it was taken from the prophecy of the Buddha and was written, sometimes as Masih and sometimes as Bagwa Metteyya.
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch4.html

Isaiah did not mention Jesus by name

February 5, 2009

wellwateredgarden Says:

“the prophet Isaiah (messenger?) repeatedly proclaims that there is but one God (chapters 43, 44, 45, 4 and chapter 50 of Isaiah speaks, foretells, of Jesus the ’suffering Servant’ and John, recorded in the Christian Bible identifies Jesus as God’s only begotten Son (John 3:16-21)”.

Paarsurrey says:

Firstly Jesus was used to speak in parables; by Son of God he meant the loved one of God. He did not mean it physically.

Secondly Isaiah did not name any JesusGod in his quote. Christians are perhaps used to seeing in the passages which is never there in a straightforward manner. Please don’t mind.

May God bless you friend!

I love Jesus

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim