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July 31, 2008


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“These books say your Jesus was here” monks of Himis at Tibet

July 29, 2008

Paarsurrey says:

I just want to familiarise the viewers of this blog with some research, continuing in different parts of the world, and among followers of different religions on the issues of “Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross but he died in India” and that Jesus lived quite a part of his life in India.

This one is with the courtesy of:
Quoting from the Magazine “Atlantis Rising – Issue 58 – Oct / Nov 2006”

Monks at Himis say:
“These books say your Jesus was here”

Nicholas Roerich was truly a Renaissance Man in every sense of the word. Born in St. Petersburg, Russia in 1874 to an upper-middle class family, and educated as both a lawyer and artist, Roerich was an accomplished painter, professor and art impresario during his early life, but he sought to bring all the arts to- gether. Prophet says, “Typically described in biographical notes as ‘a Russian-born painter, poet, archaeologist, philosopher and mystic,’ Roerich was also a diplomat, writer, critic, educator, set and costume designer, and explorer.”

But underneath it all, the mystic prevailed, and he had a strong urge to travel to India and Tibet. In 1924, at the age of 50, his worldly success behind him, Roe- rich, his wife Helena, his two sons and Tibetan lama Lobzang Mingyur Dorje, mounted an expedition to Central Asia con- sisting of “nine Europeans, thirty-six natives, and 102 camels, yaks, horses and mules.” The eldest son, George Roerich, was a noted archaeologist and Orientalist who had studied at Harvard and the School of Oriental Languages in Paris. He was conversant in Persian, Sanskrit, Chinese and all of the many Tibetan dialects. One of the several goals of the journey was the study of ancient monuments and the conditions and origins of contemporary religions.

Unexpectedly, wherever they traveled, they heard legends about Jesus. In his book Altai-Himalaya published in 1929, which was more of a travel diary, he says, “In Srin- igar we first encountered the curious legend about Christ’s visit to this place. Afterwards, we saw how widely spread in India, in Ladak and in Central Asia, was the legend of the visit of Christ to these parts…” He said further that he heard several versions of the legend, but that they all agreed on one point, “that during the time of His absence, Christ was in India and Asia.”

Then Roerich started hearing about the manuscript of the life of St. Issa. In his second book, Himalaya, he writes about Himis. “Regarding the manu- scripts of Christ—first there was a complete denial… Then slowly, little by little, are creeping fragmentary reticent details, diffi- cult to obtain. Finally, it appears—that about the manuscripts, the old people in Ladak have heard and know.” Roerich knew about Notovitch’s book. He says, “Many re- member the lines from the book of Noto- vitch, but it is still more wonderful to dis- cover, on this site, in several variants, the same version of the legend of Issa.”

There were others after Roerich. In the summer of 1939, Madame Elisabeth G. Cas- pari, a Swiss musician, and her husband were on a pilgrimage to Mt. Kailas in Tibet, and stopped at Himis on the way. While seated on the roof of the convent, she was approached by the librarian of the monastery, and two monks. They carried three manuscripts with elegant coverings. As he carefully unwrapped the parchment leaves, the librarian said to her, “These books say your Jesus was here.”

All of these reports basically take the posi- tion that Jesus was a conscious disciple of Guatama Buddha, and that’s why the monks at Himis treated the manuscript so rever- ently. Some believe that he was actually a re- incarnation of the Buddha. They claim that he understood that his mission was to spread the Buddhist doctrine in the West, and that Christianity is simply a Westernized version of Buddhism. There have been several books on this subject, giving impressive lists of par- allels between Buddhism and Christianity.

This idea argues for a long and hoary history of continued and connected revelations by successive “standard bearers” coming at pre- cise intervals, and all dedicated to elevating the spiritual consciousness of the human race. From this perspective, it certainly makes sense that the young Jesus, conscious of the role he was to play, would travel to the only place on the planet where he knew he could be prepared for that role.”Unquote

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Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says:

Evidence from books on Buddhism

“Let it be clear that Buddhist scriptures have made available to us evidence of various kinds, which, on the whole, is enough to prove that Jesus (on whom be peace) must have come to the Punjab and Kashmir, etc. I set out this evidence herein, so that all impartial people may first study it, and then by arranging it as a connected account in their minds, may themselves come to the aforesaid conclusion. Here is the evidence.

First: the titles given to the Buddha are similar to the titles given to Jesus. Likewise, the events of the life of Buddha resemble those of the life of Jesus. The reference here, however, is to the Buddhism of places within the boundaries of Tibet, like Leh, Lhasa, Gilgit and Hams, etc., which are the places about which it is proved that they were visited by Jesus. With reference to the similarity of titles, it is enough to point out, that if, for example, Jesus (on whom be peace) calls himself the Light in his teachings, so, Gautama has been named the Buddha, which in Sanskrit means Light.

If Jesus has been called the Master in the gospel, so the Buddha has been called Sasta or the Master; if Jesus has been called Blessed in the Gospels, so the Buddha has been named Sugt, i.e., the Blessed. If Jesus has been called Prince, so has the Buddha been called Prince. Jesus has also been described by the Gospels as one who fulfils the object of his coming, so has the Buddha been called in Buddhistic scriptures Siddhartha i.e., one who fulfils the object of his coming. Jesus has also been called by the Gospels the Refuge of the Tired, so has the Buddha in Buddhistic scriptures been called Asarn Sarm, i.e., the refuge of the refugeless.

Jesus has also been called by the Gospels King, though he interpreted it as King of the Kingdom of Heaven, so also the Buddha has been called King. The similarity of events is proved by events such as these. Just as Jesus was tempted by the Devil with the riches and kingdoms of the world provided he prostrated himself to him, so was Buddha tempted when the Devil said to him that he would give him the pomp and splendour of kings if he abandoned the severity of his living and returned home. But, just as Jesus did not obey the Devil, so, it is recorded, the Buddha did not obey him. See Buddhism by T. W. Rhys Davids3; and Buddhism by Sir Monier Williams.

This shows that the same titles which Jesus ascribes in the gospels to himself, have in Buddhistic books, which were compiled much later, been similarly ascribed to the Buddha; and, just as Jesus was tempted by the Devil, so these books claim that the Buddha also was tempted by the Devil; nay, the account of the temptation of the Buddha as stated in these books, is longer than the account of the temptation of Jesus in the Christian Gospels.

It is recorded that when the Devil offered him the temptation of wealth and kingly honour, the Buddha was inclined to return home. He, however, did not obey this desire. But the same Devil met him again one night, bringing with him all his progeny, and frightened him by frightful appearances. To the Buddha these Devils appeared like snakes which were emitting fire from their mouths. The snakes began to throw fire and poison towards him but their poison was turned into flowers and the fire made a halo round the Buddha.” Unquote

The viewers/readers should form their own opinion and accept truth when satisfied.


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sun would get darkened and moon would not give its light

July 24, 2008

Stefania Tiwari Says:
July 23, 2008 at 6:30 am

We have had a most remarkable moon for a couple of days. Yesterday and the day before the moon was red. What is the meaning of that? How would I research that? I look up several links but not much to go on. It happened in the beginning of this year and will not happen again for many years. So why was every one here talking about the red-moon. Is there something about it in the Bible? Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Prof R R Kelkar writes onJuly 23, 2008 at 6:37 am reflecting on the topic of “A Darkened Sun and a Red Moon” mentions:

As regards the red moon, I do not know what you have seen. But yes, there is a reference in the Bible. Jesus was often asked by people how they would know when He is going to come again. He clarified that there would be many distinct signs at that time in the skies. One was that the sun would get darkened and the other was that the moon would not give its light. However Jesus did not say anything about the red moon (Matthew Chapter 24)

It was the prophet Joel (there is his book in the Old Testament) who prophesied that at the end of this age, the sun would get darkened and the moon would appear bloody red. This is perhaps what you have been looking for. As a meteorologist I can only say that the moon could appear red because of atmospheric and optical effects and not necessarily because something happened to the moon itself.

Paarsurrey Says:

The Prophecy of the NTBible has been fulfilled with the truthful advent of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908. Jesus survived a cursed death on Cross and he died a peaceful and natural death in India. Jesus is therefore not to come again, literally and physically, as awaited by the Christians and many Muslim.

Jesus Second Coming was to correct certain beliefs spread by the Christian priests/clergy invented by Paul at Rome. This has been fullfilled in the time of Promised Messiah 1835-1908.

The Sign of darkening of sun and moon due to eclipses of the same has also been shown.
Hadhrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) of Qadian, the Holy Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jamaat received his first revelation regarding his appointment as a the Divine Reformer in 1882. In obedience to Divine command he declared that he is the Mujaddid (Reformer) of the 14th century of the Islamic era. In 1891 he claimed, on the basis of Divine revelation to be the Promised Messiah and Mahdi whose advent was foretold by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (sa). He asserted that Almighty God had sent him to give spiritual life to the people. But the contemporary theologians rejected his claims and he met a storm of very violent opposition.

The prophesied eclipses then occured over Qadian on the specified dates of Ramadhan. The lunar eclipse occured after sunset on March 21st, 1894 (13th Ramadhan 1311 H) and the solar eclipse occurred on the morning of Friday April 6th, 1894 (28th Ramadhan). The Promised Messiah as then wrote the book Noorul Haq, (Light of Truth) Part-II, in which he declared that these eclipses were Divine Signs in support of his claim. The Promised Messiah (as) also drew attention in this book to several properties of the eclipses which make the signs very impressive.
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Jesus was to deliver Israelites from slavery and to emancipate them. How did he do it?

July 21, 2008


Jesus had come as mentioned in the OTBible to deliver Israelites from their slavery and to emancipate them. There were only two tribes out of the total twelve in the time of Jesus in Jerusalem, the rest were in exile. How and in what manner Jesus accomplished this task? Kindly view the following videos to know this.

Kindly form your own opinion and given your comments; even differing opinions are also welcome.


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What language did Jesus speek?

July 17, 2008

Question at “Yahoo Answers”:

What language did Jesus speek?

Paarsurrey answers:


Jesus and his mother Mary were Jewish religious people; they spoke Hebrew or Aramaic. The languages of the common inhabitants of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus were Hebrew or Aramaic; and they were addressees of Jesus. So Jesus spoke one of these languages only then his message could reach the masses that Jesus was set to purify.

In no case Jesus’ language was Latin or Greek; while we find the scriptures or NTBible in Latin or Greek languages which means the originals if any were lost or were non-existent and what we have now is translations only or that these have been written much afterward and most probably were not an account of the eyewitnesses of the account of Jesus’ life or Mary’s life. The disciples of Jesus were also Jews and hence they spoke Hebrew or Aramaic.

Paul was not a disciple of Jesus; he was not trained or educated by Jesus; he was an enemy of Jesus and his disciples and his own testimony is on record.

“Eli, Eli Lima sabaqtani” the only surviving words from Jesus mouth on Cross are of Hebrew; that proves undoubtedly that Jesus spoke Hebrew.


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“Jesus in India” by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908…

Spirituality and Science; have no contradictions in reality

July 17, 2008

Question at “Yahoo Answers”:

Does science leave any room for spiritual views?

Paarsurrey answers:


There is no conradiction in science and religion. If religion has the Word of God to explain things, science is the Work of God. If there is seemingly a contradiction that is because the humans reading the Word have not understood it correctly or people believing in science are contemplationg on theories which need improvement to make a fact of science.

The spiritual views expressed in the Word of GodAllahYHWH have therefore room to be truthful if understood correctly. Revelation or Word of God expresses spiritual aspects of a thing and is a truthful and valid source of knowledge as is science; both have utilities for the human beings to benefit from. We cannot deny one for the other. A man walks with two legs, with just one leg one would be lame; and difficult to walk around conveniently.


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“Philosophy of Teachings of Islam” by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908…

Jesus gained enough strength from the treatment in the tomb to walk upto Galilee

July 16, 2008

Scott Thong Says:
July 11, 08

“I do not know where you got your information from, but I contend that it is inferior to the logic and proof of my arguments.
7) If Jesus was still not dead, how would He – a half dead man – escape from the tight wrappings, push away the large boulder, and escape from the guards placed at the tomb?”

Paarsurrey Says:

Now we take up another argument # 7 above.

One would please observe that the NTBible misses many important details. When the funeral rites of Jesus were performed? Who lead the prayers? Who joined the funeral procession? Whether funeral rites were performed the Jewish way or as per the Christians? The ghost writers or witnesses do not mention that or perhaps such important details were censored by Paul to suit his new theological philosophy at Rome.

There was no need to perform the funeral rites as the Jews who wanted to see a dead Jesus had not been given the dead body if Jesus had in fact died.

Jesus’ friends had been trusted with the body and they knew he was alive; so they did not perform the funeral rites. They hastened for the treatment as their Lord was in a critical condition. They covered the injured body of Jesus with the “Ointment of Jesus” prepared from the herbs brought under the garb of fragrances and wrapped his wounds; they were wise enough not to cover his face with the wrappings, which could suffocate their Lord.

They continued the treatment till such time Jesus gained enough strength to walk upto Galilee, and for that they helped to push the stone aside to let him go. Jesus met his friends outside and then left a message for others to meet him in Galilee.

I think that might help you.

PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 Says:

“In those days the custom of the Jews was to make the tomb airy like a commodious chamber, leaving an opening in it. Such tombs were kept ready; and as the occasion required, dead bodies were interred in them. The gospels bear clear testimony to this: Luke says, ‘Now upon the first day of the week very early in the morning [i.e., when it was still dark] they [i.e., the women] came unto the sepulchre bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them. And they found the stone rolled away from the sepulchre [just consider this!] and they entered in and found not the body of the Lord Jesus’.

Now consider for a moment the words, ‘They entered in.’ It is evident that a man can only enter a tomb which is like a room and has an opening. I shall state in this book, at the proper place, that the tomb of Jesus (peace be on him) which has recently been discovered in Srinagar, in Kashmir, has an opening like this tomb. This is a fine point which when pondered over will lead investigators in this field to a great and important conclusion.

Among the testimonies of the gospels are the words of Pilate, recorded by St. Mark: ‘And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, an honourable counsellor, who also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead.’ This would show that at the time of the crucifixion itself a doubt had been raised whether Jesus had in fact died and the doubt emanated from no less a person than one who knew from experience how long it took a person to die on the Cross.” Unquote

I think it is a reasonable explanation of the wrappings done on Jesus while he was layed in the tomb and how Jesus life was saved from crucifixion by GodAllahYHWH against all odds.

Jews, Christians and Muslims should not miss the bus

July 16, 2008

Chrystal Says:
July 15, 2008
Another False Messiah – Ex-Traffic Cop Says He’s Jesus
We’ve heard of these false messiahs many times, but this man has a strong following. According to this news article, five thousand people have left their homes and families and have moved to a commune to join this man.
This commune in Siberia is one of the world’s largest. Not only does this antichrist have five thousand who have moved to the commune, but he has ten thousand followers world wide.

Vissarion, the false messiah, and those of his commune who adore him.
Deep in the heart of Siberia’s birch forests lies one of the largest and most remote religious communes of the planet. More than 5,000 people have left their families and their homes to move here and join the Church of the Last Testament, which has more than 10,000 followers worldwide. The church centers on one man. He is known simply as Vissarion, meaning “he who gives new life,” or simply as the teacher, and he claims that he is Jesus Christ. Source.
To those of us who are grounded in the Word…and even to those who aren’t…this stands out as being clear satanic deception. That is the only way he could deceive so many. The secular world would call these people looney. But, the Word of God has this to say about it:
1 John 2:18:
18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
Matthew 24:23-25:
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.

Paarsurrey Says:

Those who have not accepted Mirza Ghulam Ahmad the truthful Promised Messiah 1835-1908, at least have a chance to see a false one to accept, in my opinion.

Jesus neither died a cursed death on Cross nor he ascended on to the skies; so he cannot come in physical and literal terms. This is a notion misunderstood though Jesus had explained it when he said John the Baptist is Elijah who was supposed to come from the heaven as he had ascended to it alongwith his chariot and horses. Jesus told them in a wise way that it was metaphoric; otherwise nobody ascends to the skies nor descends from it. Those who don’t accept Jesus’ explanation are in my opinion followers of Paul not of Jesus. They would wait till doomsday and won’t see anyone descending from the heaven. Their destiny would be like that of Jews who are still waiting and wailing for a warrior JesusChristMessiahMoshiach, in my opinion, but nobody would come. They have just missed the bus.

I love Jesus and Muhammad.

This is my opinion. Kindly visit my blog for a peaceful discussion. Differing opinions are also welcome.


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while Jesus healed others, this preparation “ointment of Jesus” healed Jesus!

July 15, 2008

j2nice78 Says:
July 15, 2008 at 4:57 pm

“Let me be 100% clear here. I do not believe what the bible says just because it says it. I believe it because I have evaluated the evidence and have found it to consistent with what is contained in the bible.
Every religious writing in the world makes truth claims, that is why you have to look at evidence rather than just religious writings.
“Science without religion is lame; religion without science is blind.” – Albert Einstein
I am a God-fearing peaceful Christian”
“3. Let’s assume everyone was wrong and Jesus was alive when he went into the tomb, how on earth would a man who was so badly injured and bleeding still be alive thirty-six hours later? He would have bled to death.”

Paarsurrey Says:
Hi peaceful Christian!

First I would like to say, please don’t mind my opinion, that this is only a story or a mythical theological philosophy invented by Paul at Rome that Jesus died on the Cross. His entire philosophy is woven on this sigle point, to which he allured the Christians. Paul was not a witness to the event of crucifixion but he was smart at imagination; in any case this is not Word of revelation from the mouth of GodAllahYHWH and hence it should be seen in that perspective. A myth cannot be tested in a scientific lab, it has to be analysed systematically.

If a man is badly injured, and a good medicine is immediately available and the man is treated well; no wonders one gets cured. Please go to a hospital and see for yourself.It daily happens.
It is ointment of Jesus and Jesus’ prayers at the garden that healed injuries inflicted on Jesus on Cross.

Please don’t take it personally; we are just searching for truth.


PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 Says:

On the evidence derived from books of medicine

A piece of evidence of great value with regard to the escape of Jesus from the Cross, which no one can help admitting, is a medical preparation known as Marham-i-Isa or the ‘Ointment of Jesus’ recorded in hundreds of medical books. Some of these books were compiled by Christians, some by Magians or Jews, some by Muslims. Most of them are very old. Investigations show that in the beginning the preparation came to be known as an oral tradition among hundreds of thousands of people. Then they recorded it.

At first, in the very time of Jesus, a little after the event of the Cross, a pharmaceutical work was compiled in Latin, in which there was a mention of this preparation along with the statement that the preparation had been prepared for the wounds of Jesus. Next, this work was translated into several languages, until, in the time of Mamun-al-Rashid, it was translated into Arabic.

It is, moreover, a strange result of divine intervention that eminent physicians of all religions — Christian, Jew, Magian, or Muslim — have all mentioned this preparation in their books, and have stated that it was prepared for Jesus by the disciples. A study of books on pharmacology shows that this preparation is very useful in cases of injuries due to blows or falls, arresting immediately the flow of blood; and as it also contains ‘myrrh’ the wound remains aseptic.

The ointment is also useful in plague; it is good for boils and ulcers of all kinds. It is, however, not clear whether the ointment was prepared, as a result of divine revelation, by Jesus himself after he had undergone the suffering of the Cross, or, that it was prepared after consultation with some physician. Some of its ingredients are like specifics; especially ‘myrrh’ which is mentioned also in the Torah. In any case, the wounds of Jesus healed up in a few days by the use of this ointment. Within three days he recovered sufficiently to be able to march seventy miles on foot from Jerusalem to Galilee. Hence, regarding the efficacy of this preparation it is enough to say that while Jesus healed others, this preparation healed Jesus!

The Books which record this fact number more than one thousand. To mention them all would be too long. As, moreover, the prescription is a famous one among the Yunani (i.e., those versed in ancient Greek medicine) physicians, I do not see any need to state the titles of all these books: I set down below the titles of only a few which are available here.

I leave it open for the viewers to investigate and to see through the truth in the above.
Please feel free to comment for peaceful discussion and searching for the truth only.

I love Jesus, Mary and Muhammad.


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Breathing difficulties of Jesus on Cross discussed

July 15, 2008

Stephen Bedard Says:
July 15, 2008 at 12:49 pm

The problem with that is that it is impossible to only seem dead during a crucifixion. In order to breathe, one must lift their body up. The way a person dies during crucifixion is that they are so exhausted they can no longer lift themselves up and they suffocate. So if Jesus passed out or even pretended to be dead, he would really be dead in just a few minutes.

July 15, 2008 at 3:20 pm

Hi Stephen Bedard!
I respect your opinion but I can’t agree with you for reasons.
Jesus was not the only person put on Cross; there were two other persons mentioned in the NTBible, perhaps of more age than Jesus. They all suffered the same kind of treatment on the Cross. They had the same kind of difficulty of breathing if any on the Cross; yet they only died for sure when their legs were broken.
On a pretex Jesus’ legs were not broken, perhaps there was some sort of hidden collabration between the friends of Jesus, in my opinion, and the Pilate or the Roman officials. You know Pilate exclaimed with surprise that Jesus had died so soon.
I love Jesus and hence would love to see him survive against all odds. Paul was an enemy of Jesus so he invented a story at Rome that Jesus died a cursed or sinful death on Cross.
Jesus was then alive and in self-exile in India. Jesus did not die on Cross, he survived and died a peaceful and natural death in India, at some point in the history.

Please don’t mind; we are searching of truth.


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PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 Says:

Apart from this, it was necessary that he should escape death on the cross, for it was stated in the Holy Book that whoever was hanged on the wood was accursed. It is a cruel and an unjust blasphemy to attribute a curse to an eminent person like Jesus, the Messiah, for, according to the agreed view of all who know the language, la’nat, or curse, has reference to the state of one’s heart. A man would be said to be accursed when his heart, having been estranged from God, becomes really dark; when, deprived of divine mercy and of divine love, devoid absolutely of His Knowledge, blinded like the devil, he becomes filled with the poison of unbelief; when there remains not a ray of divine love and knowledge in him; when the bond of loyalty is broken, and between him and God there arises hatred and contempt and spite and hostility, so much so that God and he become mutual enemies; and when God becomes weary of him and he becomes weary of God; in short, when he becomes an heir to all the attributes of the Devil — and that is why the Devil himself is called accursed.