Posts Tagged ‘personages’

“Religion and the former intellectual capital of the world”

February 24, 2014

I wrote following comments: blog “Enquiries on Atheism” : topic “Religion and the former intellectual capital of the world”; link below:

http://atheistenquiry.org/
http://atheistenquiry.org/2014/02/19/religion-and-the-former-intellectual-capital-of-the-world/comment-page-1/#comment-4568

paarsurrey
February 24, 2014 • 4:06 pm

@ ALLALLT
I think you get the phenomenon wrong. Muhammad ;and I don’t deny great personages before him also like Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Socrates and Jesus, they all through Word of Revelation from the One-True-God, opened hearts and minds of the people for love of knowledge and truth and hence there was an explosion of great civilizations through them; later when people lost track of that truthful path revealed on such personages and enunciated by them and concentrated on the worldly and material benefits from the rulers of the time; the treasure of knowledge was lost .

First Vision: Witout proper introduction, identifications and verifications; Joseph Smith mistook the personages

June 12, 2009

Markparker1 says:

Where do you get the information you base this belief on?

I know what the Holy Ghost feels like, I know it, the scriptures say that the Holy Ghost is sent directly from the Father, and he testifies of truth, I know there is a connection between the Prophet Joseph Smith, the Book of Mormon and Heaven, the Heavens testify to it.

Paarsurrey says:

It is right from the First Vision of Joseph Smith which you posted to me. If Jesus could be tried by the Devil for forty days; Joseph Smith could not be any exception.

Jesus told Jews that they were Sons of the Devil; it is mentioned in John 8.

Witout proper introduction and verifications; Joseph Smith mistook the personages. It is his mistake not mines.
When Moses met God Allah YHWH; He properly introduced himself to Moses; and Moses saw no Son with Him:

[20:9] ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ‌ۖ لَهُ ٱلۡأَسۡمَآءُ ٱلۡحُسۡنَىٰ
[20:9] Allah — there is no God but He. His are the most beautiful names.

[20:10] وَهَلۡ أَتَٮٰكَ حَدِيثُ مُوسَىٰٓ
[20:10] And has the story of Moses come to thee?

[20:11] إِذۡ رَءَا نَارً۬ا فَقَالَ لِأَهۡلِهِ ٱمۡكُثُوٓاْ إِنِّىٓ ءَانَسۡتُ نَارً۬ا لَّعَلِّىٓ ءَاتِيكُم مِّنۡہَا بِقَبَسٍ أَوۡ أَجِدُ عَلَى ٱلنَّارِ هُدً۬ى
[20:11] When he saw a fire, he said to his family, ‘Tarry ye, I perceive a fire; perhaps I may bring you a brand therefrom or find guidance at the fire.’

[20:12] فَلَمَّآ أَتَٮٰهَا نُودِىَ يَـٰمُوسَىٰٓ
[20:12] And when he came to it, he was called by a voice, ‘O Moses,
[20:13] إِنِّىٓ أَنَا۟ رَبُّكَ فَٱخۡلَعۡ نَعۡلَيۡكَ‌ۖ إِنَّكَ بِٱلۡوَادِ ٱلۡمُقَدَّسِ طُوً۬ى
[20:13] ‘Verily, I am thy Lord. So take off thy shoes; for thou art in the sacred Valley of Tuwa.

[20:14] وَأَنَا ٱخۡتَرۡتُكَ فَٱسۡتَمِعۡ لِمَا يُوحَىٰٓ
[20:14] ‘And I have chosen thee; so hearken to what is revealed.

[20:15] إِنَّنِىٓ أَنَا ٱللَّهُ لَآ إِلَـٰهَ إِلَّآ أَنَا۟ فَٱعۡبُدۡنِى وَأَقِمِ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ لِذِڪۡرِىٓ
[20:15] ‘Verily, I am Allah; there is no God beside Me. So serve Me, and observe Prayer for My remembrance.

[20:16] إِنَّ ٱلسَّاعَةَ ءَاتِيَةٌ أَكَادُ أُخۡفِيہَا لِتُجۡزَىٰ كُلُّ نَفۡسِۭ بِمَا تَسۡعَىٰ
[20:16] ‘Surely, the Hour is coming; I am going to manifest it, that every soul may be recompensed for its endeavour.

[20:17] فَلَا يَصُدَّنَّكَ عَنۡہَا مَن لَّا يُؤۡمِنُ بِہَا وَٱتَّبَعَ هَوَٮٰهُ فَتَرۡدَىٰ
[20:17] ‘So let not him who believes not therein and follows his own evil inclinations, turn thee away therefrom, lest thou perish.

[20:18] وَمَا تِلۡكَ بِيَمِينِكَ يَـٰمُوسَىٰ
[20:18] ‘And what is that in thy right hand, O Moses?’