Posts Tagged ‘peaceful’

Truthful revealed religion is peaceful and never harmful

May 2, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/what-makes-religion-beneficial-or-harmful-to-communities.220172/page-6#post-6088716

#120 paarsurrey

What makes religion beneficial or harmful to communities?

The truthful revealed religion, if understood correctly, is peaceful and never harmful to any community. Right, please?

Regards

“But…. some of us got the impression that Baha’is expected to rule the world… that almost all people would be Baha’is. If that is not the case, then will they even have a majority of the people of the world following the Baha’i Faith?”
#121 paarsurrey

Is it just one’s impression without sort of evidence, please? or there is something to it?
Please elaborate.

Regards

 

 

Did Islam spread by sword?

May 31, 2014

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3788374-post42.html

paarsurrey

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZooGirl02

Hi everyone. Some people say that Islam was spread by the sword. Others say that it was not. The Koran says that there is to be no compulsion in religion so it would seem that Islam’s sacred text would condone religious freedom. But was this really the case historically? Here is the reference from the Koran which I am referring to.
Quote:

[2.256] There is no compulsion in religion; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing.

paarsurrey’s response:

Islam did not spread with sword or because of sword.
Islam spread for its natural, rational and peaceful teachings.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/3790428-post76.html

Quote:
Originally Posted by ZooGirl02

“You know, I am thinking that perhaps it was just that Islamic empires were spread by the sword but not the religion itself was spread by the sword historically. Now, granted, there have been cases in recent times in which people were forced to convert to Islam or die such as in Syria but I am speaking historically. Also, the actions of a few should not be blamed on the entire group that the few are a member of. That’s my opinion anyway. I mean, you wouldn’t say that Atheists endorse murder just because some Communist Atheists murdered people in Soviet Russia, right?”

Unquote

Paarsurrey says:

I agree with you.

Regards

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/religious-debates/163547-islam-spread-sword-13.html#post3792169

Paarsurrey wrote:

I have checked many countries;it just happened like that.
If one likes; I could give examples.

For example:

Peaceful spread of Islam in Maldives:

The islands converted from Buddhism in the 12th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/islam_in_the_maldives

There was no subjugation by sword.

Regards

Verse [2:191] of Quran is peaceful

February 14, 2014

My comments: blog “Random thoughts”: topic “Free speech”: link:
http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/
http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/02/13/free-speech/comment-page-1/#comment-11801

archaeopteryx1 says:
February 13, 2014 at 19:16

Hey, Paarsurrey! You want to explain these, from your “one true god”…….?

1. Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them (2:191).
2. Make war on the infidels living in your neighbourhood (9:123).
3. When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5).
4. Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29).
5. Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85).
6. The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30).
7. Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam (5:33).
8. The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28).
9. Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies (22:19).
10. Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4).
11. The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65).
12. Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28).
13. Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12).
14. Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60).

paarsurrey says:
February 14, 2014 at 23:53
@archaeopteryx1 says:February 13, 2014 at 19:16

There is no violence verse in Quran. We will discuss the verses one by one from your list.
First we take Quran verse 2:191, at serial no.1 of you post.
I give here the context verses:
[2:191] And fight in the cause of Allah against those who fight against you, but do not transgress. Surely, Allah loves not the transgressors.
[2:192] And kill them wherever you meet them and drive them out from where they have driven you out; for persecution is worse than killing. And fight them not in, and near, the Sacred Mosque until they fight you therein. But if they fight you, then fight them: such is the requital for the disbelievers
[2:193] But if they desist, then surely Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.
[2:194] And fight them until there is no persecution, and religion is freely professed for Allah. But if they desist, then remember that no hostility is allowed except against the aggressors.
[2:195] The violation of a Sacred Month should be retaliated in the Sacred Month; and forall sacred things there is the law of retaliation. So, whoso transgresses against you, punish him for his transgression to the extent to which he has transgressed against you. And fear Allah and know that Allah is with those who fear Him.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=2&verse=188

As one could see the verses are not general for all non-believers but are specific, as the context shows, for the Meccans who had declared a war with Muslims, they did not allow them the freedom of speech and freedom of worship,persecuted Muslims at Mecca severely to the extent that the Muslims had to migrate from Mecca to take refuge at Medina- then called Yasrub. Even then the won’t let them peacefully at Medina and continually attacked the Muslims at Medina, a hundred miles away, with large numbers.

The verse and the context verses are specific for such Meccans and not general for the non-believers.
I am already discussing this verse at another atheist blog; those who like to join there; they may give their point of view there, please:

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html?showComment=1391965526224#c6475111282129573372

Welcome for discussion

How old was Jesus Christ when he died?

June 10, 2013

Jesus was though put on Cross, yet he was delivered from the cross in near-dead position.
There are some Muslim traditions which say Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in Srinagar, Kashmir, India, at the age of 120/125 years.

Jesus got a new life after the tribulations faced by him on the Cross. By the grace of God Allah YHWH he survived a cursed death on Cross. Without dying Jesus got a new life; this is a metaphoric usage, in my opinion, in all the language of the world. If one is sick with a deadly disease or faces a trauma in real life, when there is no hope for survival, it is commonly said that that person has got a new life. It is never taken as literal or physical life from the actually dead.

Please see the following documentaries which show that Jesus did not die on the Cross; he migrated to India.

BBC Documentary

Peaceful Buddha for waging defensive war if attacked by enemy

May 11, 2013

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I have today started a thread @ http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/147887-peaceful-buddha-waging-defensive-war-if.html#post3323278 titled above

Buddha says: 

“And the Blessed One said: “The Tathagata is like unto a powerful king who rules his kingdom with righteousness, but being attacked by envious enemies goes out to wage war against his foes. When the king sees his soldiers fight he is delighted with their gallantry and will bestow upon them donations of all kinds. Ye are the soldiers of the Tathagata, while Mara, the Evil One, is the enemy who must be conquered. And the Tathagata will give to his soldiers the city of Nirvana, the great capital of the good law. And when the enemy is overcome, the Dharma-raja, the great king of truth, will bestow upon all his disciples the most precious crown which jewel brings perfect enlightenment, supreme wisdom, and undisturbed peace.” 26

Unquote

The Gospel of Buddha by Paul Carus Chapter: XLVII. THE PREACHER’S MISSION.

http://www.arthursbookshelf.com/Buddhism/The%20Gospel%20of%20Buddha%20-%20Paul%20Carus.pdf

One could freely comment there on the discussion forum or here in my blog, my pleasure.

War and Jainism

November 20, 2011

War and Jainism

I believe on sound arguments that every Revealed Religion and its founders were all peaceful and peace promoting.
Jainism is also one such religion.

Due to the current political situation in the world and due to the terrorists it is generally held, though wrongly, that Islam is not peaceful and Jainism is peaceful.

For a comparison, the root teachings of Quran should be taken into account.

The Jains had been at war in the history. Just for record I give one such link:

http://jainhistory.tripod.com/dare.html

War and Buddhism

November 20, 2011

War and Buddhism

I believe on sound arguments that every Revealed Religion and its founders were all peaceful and peace promoting.
Buddha and Muhammad were one such peace loving religious founders. Due to the current political situation in the world and due to the terrorists it is generally held, though wrongly, that Islam is not peaceful and Buddhism is peaceful.
For a comparison, the root teachings of Quran should be taken into account.

The Buddhists had been at war in the history. Just for record I give one such link:

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/war.htm

Which religion is the most peaceful as well as tolerant in the World?

November 20, 2011

Which religion is the most peaceful as well as tolerant in the World?

There took place an interesting discussion on the above topic, initiated by me, on my favorite discussion forum, the hubpages:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86281

I will give here some of the posts to have you a taste of the same.

OP by Paarsurrey:

All the Revealed religions and the persons, messenger and prophets, on whom these religions were revealed by the Creator God were truthful persons. They all were peaceful and tolerant people and always presented their points of view with brilliant reasons and rational arguments.

Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus and Muhammad; all were truthful, peaceful and tolerant persons.

It is a fact that Islam is the most peaceful religion in the world as it respects all the truthful persons like Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus.

Quran the first and the foremost source of guidance for Muslims, whatever the denomination, has no teachings which are not peaceful.

With the advent of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah, this peaceful aspect has been highlighted.
1.Couturepopcafe wrote:
@ OP
it’s Taoism which speaks about the reality that naturally exists prior to and gives rise to all other things. Virtue or the life energy in all things and a sense of morality which constitutes the Way can be found by experiencing the oneness of all things – fulfilling life as one with nature and as one with the inner self. Instead of becoming one with heaven, the goal is to become one with the nature of the universe.
2. Knolyourself wrote:
Equality between people and all things is required for peace.

3. MelissaBarrett wrote:
Jainism is pretty peaceful
4. Anna Marie Bowman
@paarsurrey
How can Islam be the most peaceful religion, when they talk about killing infidels? Buddhism preaches acceptance and peace. True Buddhists don’t believe in killing any living creature. Sounds a lot more peaceful to me.
Even Rastafarians are more peaceful than Islam.

They also preach peace and the sanctity of all life. True Rastafarians are vegetarians.
5. Disappearinghead wrote:
@MelissaBarrett

Yes it (i.e. Jainism) probably has the most peaceful historically.

Its believers literally will not harm a fly.
6.Paarsurrey wrote:

@couturepopcafe

But Laozi did believe in an underlying Tao, Way or One, from which the Heaven and Earth derived. This One transfused everything in the universe from the lowest to the highest.

Maybe Taoism in its present form is not vocal in saying that Laozi believed in the Creator God but I think he believed in ONE.
7. john-doe7 wrote:
Atheism is the One True Peaceful and Truthful Religion.

This is revealed to Us as Truth.

This is the only reasonable rational Truth.

Paarsurrey comments now in the blog:
The Atheists don’t believe that atheism is a religion; they deny it being a religion; so atheism out of the arena.
Atheism doesn’t believe in revelation; so atheism is neither revealed nor it is a religion.
8. Cagsil wrote:
@john-doe7
“Atheism is the One True Peaceful and Truthful Religion.”
You’re funny.
9. aka-dj
@OP

You are a funny man!!!

Some of the most NONpeaceful place in the world today are either majority Muslim, run by Muslim leaders, or in the biggest Muslim region of the planet, the Middle East.
You all claim peace, but all you live out is conflict.

You also debunk the Bible, the Apostles and Christians as being based on lies, and misinformation, and then you call them all truthful here.

Make up your mind!

Either they are TRUTHFUL, or LIERS. But, at least be consistent.
10. Anna Marie Bowman wrote:
How can Islam be the most peaceful religion, when they talk about killing infidels?

Paarsurey@ Anna Marie Bowman

Please quote from Quran, the first and the foremost source of Islam whatever the denomination, with the verses in context to prove your viewpoint that Islam commands to kill infidels in general terms.

Islam does believe in co-existence and tolerance more than any other religion.
11. Anna Marie Bowman wrote:
Buddhism preaches acceptance and peace.

I agree that all revealed religions are peaceful; so are Islam and Buddhism.

Yet (unfortunately) Buddhism has not always separated itself from war. There is historic documentation that in 621 CE monks from the Shaolin Temple of China fought in a battle that helped establish the Tang Dynasty.
In centuries past, the heads of Tibetan Buddhist schools formed strategic alliances with Mongol warlords and reaped benefits from the warlords’ victories.

The links between Zen Buddhism and samurai warrior culture were partly responsible for the shocking collusion of Zen and Japanese militarism in the 1930s and 1940s. For several years a virulent jingoism seized Japanese Zen, and teachings were twisted and corrupted to excuse killing. Zen institutions not only supported Japanese military aggression but raised money to manufacture war planes and weapons.

http://buddhism.about.com/od/basicbuddhistteachings/a/war.htm12. knolyourself wrote:
“Equality between people and all things is required for peace.”
Paarsurrey wrote:
I agree with you.
13. aka-dj

“Except for co-existence with Israel! Right?”

Paarsurrey replied:
Islam does not command to kill the Jews generally.

14. Anna Marie Bowman wrote:
“True Rastafarians are vegetarians.”
Paarsurrey replied:
Every human being should be peaceful.

To be vegetarian does not make one necessarily peaceful.
15. Disappearinghead
“Perhaps not generally, but what about occasionally?”

paarsurrey wrote:
Islam does not command to kill the Jews generally.
Paarsurrey add now in the blog:
If the Jews attack Muslims or break the peace treaty with Muslims and side with the infidels and betray; then of course Muslims have to respond to defend themselves; as Muhammad did in his time; but that is specific for the Jews of Medina in Muhammad’s time.
16. aka-dj wrote:
You also debunk the Bible, the Apostles and Christians as being based on lies, and misinformation, and then you call them all truthful here. Make up your mind! Either they are TRUTHFUL, or LIERS. But, at least be consistent.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I never said they lied; I cannot pronounce them truthful where they erred; after all they were sinful and not innocent people and they acted against the beliefs of innocent Jesus; that aspect should be and need be exposed.

Hubpages is a good discussion site; one could comment there or here in this blog; comments are most welcome.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86281

One of the many Words is Jesus Christ- the Son of Man

April 10, 2010

http://austinddavis.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/the-truth-will-set-you-free/

I received following e-mail from Austin; the topic “The Truth Will Set You Free” could be read by accessing the ablove link. I responded with the following reply:

Hi friend Austin

I sent following post to you; but it did not get published on to your blog.
Please publish it and confirm to me.

Thanks

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi friend Austin

I would suggest you to rephrase the above sentence from your post; please
make it to read “One of the many Words is Jesus Christ- the Son of Man”
Would you please do it for me?

Thanks

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

P.S. The e-mail also bounced backed to me

Mormons and JWs consider “Catholics and Protestant” as heretics. Are they?

April 8, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/jesus-was-not-dead-on-the-cross-in-the-first-place/#comment-983#comment-983

wudjab Says:

April 7, 2010 at 9:07 pm

You need to try harder Paar,

According to your own Quran :

[4:157] And for claiming that they killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of GOD. In fact, they never killed him, they never crucified him – they were made to think that they did. All factions who are disputing in this matter are full of doubt concerning this issue. They possess no knowledge; they only conjecture. For certain, they never killed him.*
and the reason they did not break his legs ?

John 19:36

These things happened so that the scripture would be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken,”
Now if you spent as much time learning about the real Islam (ahmediya’s are not considered Muslims after all) as you do trying to discredit Christianity, you might be better served.

paarsurrey Says:

April 8, 2010 at 10:29 am

Hi friend wudjab

Well my friend; “Mormons” and “JWs”- the only true Christians, do consider the Catholics and Protestants as heretics. Are you a Mormon or a JW? Please mention so that we may proceed further in the discussion.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim