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One should give reasons; must not ridicule God

March 27, 2014

March 27, 2014 at 11:45 am

People want God to become a toy for their imagination, and keep changing His attributes like an impersonator (God forbid) so that everybody’s fancy should be satisfied.

It is unfortunate indeed that people have not truly recognized their God. (al-Hajj 22:75)

Do try to understand that the less subtle a thing, the easier it can be observed through physical senses, and the more subtle it is, the harder it is for the physical senses to experience it. It is for this reason that when we try to learn about subtle things we have to depend on their properties and their behavior, rather than on direct observation.
How then is it possible for God—Who is not only Himself the most Subtle Being but is also the Creator of every subtle thing—to be seen by our physical eyes?

The objection of the critics that they will not believe in God until they see Him with their eyes is, therefore, absurd. It would imply that the critic either believes God to be a corporeal being, or at least wants God to assume a corporeal form so that he can be absolutely sure by seeing Him with his own eyes.

But the trouble is that there are millions of blind people in this world. Would they too not have the right to demand that God should assume some other material form so that they may taste, smell or feel Him? Does this not amount to ridiculing God? How shameful for a man who professes to have a mind and a heart!

If someone says that he would not believe in God unless he sees Him with his own eyes, all I should say is that if God could be seen with one’s eyes, He would not be worth believing at all. This is because in such case many of His other attributes would be falsified. He is Incorporeal, for instance, but in this case He would become corporeal. He is Infinite but would become finite and so on and so forth.

Moreover, if God were to adopt a corporeal and finite form for your sake, what is there to guarantee that you would not reject Him saying that you do not believe in a corporeal and finite God?

O God, how very Holy, Adorable and Perfect You are! Each attribute of Yours is guarded by another of Your attributes. When anyone attacks any one of Your attributes, Your other attributes—like vigilant and dutiful sentries—put such a person to shame.

We have seen how a critic tried to create doubt concerning God’s attribute of being Hidden, but His attributes of being Incorporeal and Infinite came forward at once and did away with the objection.

The Beauty of God lies in His being Hidden from our physical eyes and yet being apparent to us; He is Subtle but remains more evident and perceptible than material things. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not comprehend this subtle truth, for he stands on the brink of disaster.

Pages 12-14
“Our God” by Mirza Bashir Ahmad

Click to access OurGod.pdf



March 27, 2014 at 12:08 pm
@JOHN ZANDE says: March 27, 2014 at 11:52 am

Don’t be angry please.

The original post did not offer any scientific reasoning.

Did it ?

The OP was also a form of hermeneutics and also apologetics of an Atheist?

March 27, 2014 at 2:58 pm

@JOHN ZANDE says: March 27, 2014 at 11:52 am

I believe in both religion as well as science both revolving in their own orbits with quite harmony like the sun and the moon.

Religion is a bigger circle informing us when there was no life, and when there will be no life; in between is our present; it guides us in it.

Science is a tool for our present dealing in a limited circle; does not cover the whole of our life.

It is the wish of my atheist friends to pitch it against religion; but their combatant denies accepting this challenge. Science has specific subjects it deals in; none is allocated for search for God or His attributes. Please don’t try to put this heavy burden on this mule.

Science had never existed if prior to it there would have not been the hermeneutics or the languages.

If one is against the languages, poetry; some other forms related to it; only robots have been needed, not the human beings.

I think you agree with it.

Don’t you?

Please have a little heart for the differing voice; it is not personal for anybody.


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