Posts Tagged ‘old testament’

The text of Bible is not preserved in its original form

April 22, 2013

Hank Kimball Says vide his comments dated April 19, 2013:

“There is a warning to anyone messy with the bible from God; Revelation 22: 18-19“I am bearing witness to everyone that hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone makes an addition to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this scroll; and if anyone takes anything away from the words of the scroll of this prophecy, God will take his portion away from the trees of life and out of the holy city, things which are written about in this scroll.”

Paarsurrey says:

I don’t think that one could generalize that which has been stated in the above passage in Revelation to the whole NT or to the whole Bible OT+NT.

Bible is not one book rather it is a collection of many books bound in one volume for convenience of the readers. The number of Books varies between the Jews, Catholics and Protestants.

It is therefore essential that for preservation of its contents every book must contains some warning or confirmation individually; then we could look into such claim on merit if it is correct or wrong.

I just quote three passages from Wikipedia:

1. Collections of related texts such as letters of the Apostle Paul (a major part of our society of which must have been made already by the early 2nd century)[2] and the Canonical Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John (asserted by Irenaeus of Lyon in the late-2nd century as the Four Gospels) gradually were joined to other collections and single works in different combinations to form various Christian canons of Scripture. Over time, some disputed books, such as the Book of Revelation and the Minor Catholic (General) Epistles were introduced into canons in which they were originally absent. Other works earlier held to be Scripture, such as 1 Clement, the Shepherd of Hermas, and the Diatessaron, were excluded from the New Testament. The Old Testament canon is not completely uniform among all major Christian groups including Roman Catholics, Protestants, the Greek Orthodox Church, the Slavic Orthodox Churches, and the Armenian Orthodox Church. However, the twenty-seven-book canon of the New Testament, at least since Late Antiquity, has been almost universally recognized within Christianity(see Development of the New Testament canon).

2. The books that eventually found a permanent place in the New Testament were not the only works of Christian literature produced in the earliest Christian centuries. The long process of canonization began early, sometimes with tacit reception of traditional texts, sometimes with explicit selection or rejection of particular texts as either acceptable or unacceptable for use in a given context (e.g., not all texts that were acceptable for private use were considered appropriate for use in the liturgy).

3. Over the course of history, those works of early Christian literature that survived but that did not become part of the New Testament have been variously grouped by theologians and scholars. Drawing upon, though redefining, an older term used in early Christianity and among Protestants when referring to those books found in the Christian Old Testament although not in the Jewish Bible, modern scholars began to refer to these works of early Christian literature not included in the New Testament as “apocryphal”, by which was meant non-canonical. Collected editions of these works were then referred to as the “New Testament apocrypha”. Typically excluded from such published collections are the following groups of works: The Apostolic Fathers, the 2nd-century Christian apologists, the Alexandrians, Tertullian,Methodius of Olympus, Novatian, Cyprian, martyrdoms, and the Desert Fathers. Almost all other Christian literature from the period, and sometimes including works composed well into Late Antiquity, are relegated to the so-called New Testament apocrypha. These “apocryphal” works are nevertheless important for the study of the New Testament in that they were produced in the same ancient context and often using the same language as those books that would eventually form the New Testament. Some of these later works are dependent (either directly or indirectly) upon books that would later come to be in the New Testament or upon the ideas expressed in them. There is even an example of a pseudepigraphical letter composed under the guise of a presumably lost letter of the Apostle Paul, the Epistle to the Laodiceans.

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Sign of Jonah; the biggest Sign Jesus ever promised showing; could make him maximum a Prophet only and could not add divinity to Jesus

January 22, 2010

Aaron Says:

If Jesus never claimed divinity then what was the charge for which the Jews found Him guilty and deserving of death by crucifixion?

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend aaron

The Jews wanted to kill Jesus for his claim of being a prophet; and Jesus they held to be a false prophet and for this they hanged Jesus to further prove that Jesus was a cursed man also.

In the Old Testament

“If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, ‘Let us follow other gods’ (gods you have not known) ‘and let us worship them,’ you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death, because he preached rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery; he has tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you” (Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NIV).

The penalty for false prophecy, according to the biblical context, is capital punishment (per Deuteronomy 13:1-5).

“But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.”

Deuteronomy 21:22-23

22 When a man hath committed a crime for which he is to be punished with death, and being condemned to die is hanged on a gibbet: 23 His body shall not remain upon the tree, but shall be buried the same day: for he is accursed of God that hangeth on a tree: and thou shalt not defile thy land, which the Lord thy God shall give thee in possession.

Jonah was a Prophet of God Allah YHWH; if Jesus promised Jews to show them Sign of Jonah and he considered it to be his biggest sigh; then Jesus could only be a Prophet and not a god. This also shows that he considered himself to be only a Prophet of God Allah YHWH; and that is why God Allah YHWH saved Jesus life and after that Jesus went to India.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


Mary the mother named her son as Jesus; so Jesus s/o Mary is the proper name; we don’t find name of Jesus, god of Bible in the Old Testament or Torah

June 10, 2009

Michelle says:

Jesus has many names – Please learn the names of Christ before assuming that he was never mentioned in the Old Testament.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Michelle

I think you don’t get my point. Mary the mother named her son as Jesus; so Jesus s/o Mary is the proper name, other names are only attributive. First it is appropriate to locate Jesus’ proper name in the Old Testament.

We don’t find name of Jesus god of Bible in the Old Testament; however, we may try to find it there.

I think you would agree with me. Do you agree?

I think searching and researching for truth, is the time properly utilized.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The truth about Jesus’ resurrection from the dead

July 27, 2008

gavmbree Says:
July 24, 2008 at 9:14 pm

“4. If he didn’t really die and only passed out, then what happened years later if he eventually died? Why would Christianity have spread, if those that started it knew that it was a lie?
Also, the NT text clearly indicates throughout that Jesus really died and was really resurrected. My authority is the Old and New Testaments of The Holy Bible which is the Word of God.”

Paarsurrey Says:


Jesus got a new life after the tribulations faced by him on the Cross. By the grace of GodAllahYHWH he survived a cursed death on Cross. Without dying Jesus got a new life; this is a metaphoric usage, in my opinion, in all the language of the world. If one is sick with a deadly disease or faces a trauma in real life, when there is no hope for survival, it is commonly said that that person has got a new life. It is never taken as literal or physical life from the actually dead.

It is only a smartness of Paul or his cleverness that he made the humble Christians, simple minded sheep for centuries, to believe that Jesus had resurrected from the dead. He tried to make a mythical hero from the real Jesus. It was his attempt to win over the Christians by adding another feather to the hat of Jesus – whereas Jesus charisma needs nothing of the sort.

Even though I know that Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross or he was not never resurrected from the dead; my love of Jesus and Mary is not lessened, since reality is always greater than the myth. Myth is only a fiction; isn’t it a reality?


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 Says:

From the mere fact of Jesus not being in the tomb, can anybody in reason believe that he had gone up to heaven? May there not be other causes as a result of which tombs might remain empty. At the time of going up to heaven, it was up to Jesus to meet a few hundred Jews, and also Pilate. Whom was he afraid of in his glorious body. He did not care to furnish his opponents with the slightest proof. On the contrary, he took fright and fled to Galilee.

That is why we positively believe that though it is true that he left the tomb, a chamber with an opening, and though it is true that he secretly met the disciples, yet it is not true that he was given any new and glorious body; it was the same body, and the same wounds, and there was the same fear in his heart lest the accursed Jews arrest him again.

Just read attentively Matthew, chapter 28, verses 7 to 10. These verses clearly say that the women who were told by someone that Jesus was alive and was going to Galilee, and who were also told quietly that they should inform the disciples, were no doubt pleased to hear this, but they went with a terrified heart, — they were still afraid lest Jesus might still be caught by some wicked Jew.

The ninth verse says, that while these women were on their way to inform the disciples, Jesus met and saluted them. The tenth verse says that Jesus asked them not to be afraid, i.e. of his being caught; he asked them to inform his brethren that they should all go to Galilee; that they would see him there, i.e., he could not stay there for fear of the enemy.

In short, if Jesus had really come to life after his death and had assumed a glorious body, it was up to him to furnish proof of such life to the Jews. But we know that he did not do this. It is absurd, therefore, to accuse the Jews of trying to render negatory the proof of Jesus’ coming to life again. No, Jesus himself has not given the slightest proof of his restoration to life; rather, by his secret flight, by the fact of his taking food, and sleep, and exhibiting his wounds, he himself proved that he did not die on the Cross.

I would humbly request all the searching souls to form their own truthful opinion and when fully satisfied they should accept the truth and support it.

What language did Jesus speek?

July 17, 2008

Question at “Yahoo Answers”:

What language did Jesus speek?

Paarsurrey answers:


Jesus and his mother Mary were Jewish religious people; they spoke Hebrew or Aramaic. The languages of the common inhabitants of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus were Hebrew or Aramaic; and they were addressees of Jesus. So Jesus spoke one of these languages only then his message could reach the masses that Jesus was set to purify.

In no case Jesus’ language was Latin or Greek; while we find the scriptures or NTBible in Latin or Greek languages which means the originals if any were lost or were non-existent and what we have now is translations only or that these have been written much afterward and most probably were not an account of the eyewitnesses of the account of Jesus’ life or Mary’s life. The disciples of Jesus were also Jews and hence they spoke Hebrew or Aramaic.

Paul was not a disciple of Jesus; he was not trained or educated by Jesus; he was an enemy of Jesus and his disciples and his own testimony is on record.

“Eli, Eli Lima sabaqtani” the only surviving words from Jesus mouth on Cross are of Hebrew; that proves undoubtedly that Jesus spoke Hebrew.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

“Jesus in India” by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908…