Posts Tagged ‘near-dead’

Jesus was not raised from the (real) dead

April 1, 2014

The viewers are advised to visit the link given below to know the context of discussion and then form their own independent and sincere opinion.

http://aspiretofindtruth.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/begin-the-questioning-on-the-historicity-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus/#comment-73

paarsurrey
APRIL 1, 2014 AT 11:33 AM

@ratamacue0
“If Jesus was not raised from the dead, then what happened? What are alternate hypotheses of what really happened, and how Christianity came to exist?”

Jesus did not die on the Cross to start with; though he was put on the Cross but delivered from it near-dead never the less alive. For further detail, I suggest to read the following small book available on line:

“Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad

Click to access Jesus-in-India.pdf

Thanks and regards

http://aspiretofindtruth.wordpress.com/2014/03/12/begin-the-questioning-on-the-historicity-of-the-resurrection-of-jesus/#comment-75

paarsurrey
APRIL 1, 2014 AT 1:04 PM

@(Matt) Brisancian ; MARCH 15, 2014 AT 9:12 AM
“Recognize the level of the claim and the level of the needed support.”

I agree with you; resurrection from the dead is a big claim and the whole Christianity is based on this; so its proofs and evidences also must be very strong and certain.

Regards

Does exceptional birth of Jesus Christ place him higher than other prophets?

March 17, 2013

Question and Answer with Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, 18 November 1995
http://www.alislam.org/v/544.html

Please see the video @ 00:00:51 for the question, “Knowing the exception the birth of Jesus Christ, can we place him higher than other prophets?”

Its answer ends @ 00:40:35: Duration of the answer is only: 39.84 minutes.

Underhand deal between Pilate and the friends of Jesus

January 20, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4725&p=91474#p91474

Nosubmission wrote:

Jonah’s going to the belly of the fish was equal to his death

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends

You mean Jonah was near-death in the Belly of the fish; yes agreed. If Jesus was to show this sign then he must not die on the Cross, though he might be near-dead on the Cross to the maximum.

Jesus was near-dead on the cross, sure, nevertheless he was still alive; it is for this pretext that his bones were not broken. If Jesus could become alive from the literal dead; what difference had it made to him if his bones would have been also broken or he would have remained in the open and never taken to a tomb?

This suggests that there was an underhand deal between Pilate and the friends of Jesus. Jesus bones were not broken lest he really dies and he was hurriedly taken to an airy and spacious tomb, which could accommodate Jesus and those who wanted to treat the injured Jesus. This is what happened and when Jesus’ wounds got cured, he immigrated to India.

The Catholics Protestants should accept this truth and come out of the deception of cunning Paul as in time warned by Jesus.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Jesus’ death on Cross is of no use to Catholics and Protestants

January 14, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/posting.php?mode=quote&f=20&p=90148

[quote=”diotima64″]HE (Jesus) died on the cross for us [/quote]

Hi friend/s

Jesus did not die on the Cross; he was delivered from the Cross in near-dead position but still alive. Jesus companions and Pilate knew it; it is for this that he was hastened to a lonely tomb; otherwise there was no need to take him to a tomb; if Jesus had to come alive from the dead, as the Catholics and Protestants now believe, what difference would have it made if Jesus had remained where he was? It would have been a greater sign if Jesus would have become alive before the very eyes of everybody.

It was an underhand deal of collaboration between Pilate and the Jesus’ companions who took him to the tomb hurriedly for treatment in a spacious tomb having two big openings; one could be termed as a door and the other as a ventilator so that Jesus did not get suffocated in the tomb while under treatment.

The Catholics and Protestants shall have to make efforts for doing virtuous deeds to get salvation like men before and after Jesus; the easy pretext of Jesus’ dieing on the Cross for their sins, is not going to be of any avail to them or anybody else in the hereafter; they should not remain in any hollow deception created for them by Paul and the Church, they should know.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Sinful scribes were not eyewitnesses of crucifixion

November 16, 2009

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4808&p=80301#p80301

Islam poses no threat to the freedom of thought

ThereIs1Adonai wrote:

The Bible had many writers with revelations that added to the message of God, and they were often eyewitnesses to the events they wrote about.

Hi friend ThereIs1Adonai

I don’t agree with the contents of your post due to following reasons, to start with.

1. Paul never spent anytime with Jesus, he was therefore not an eyewitness; yet his accounts have been included in the Bible for nothing.
2. The theme of the Bible, a human devised theme, is to mention the event of the Cross. None of the four gospel writers was an eyewitness of the event of the crucifixion of Jesus. As per Matthew; they all fled away.
3. Jesus did receive Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH; none of the scribes of NT received any Word from the Creator- God Allah YHWH; they were not capable of receiving it as they were sinful persons. They deserted Jesus when he needed them most.
4. Even the account of the event of the Cross they wrote from hearsay was incorrect; as Jesus never died on Cross, he was though put on the Cross, yet he was delivered from it in a near-dead position. The Creator- God Allah YHWH saved his life like He saved Jonah’s life in a very difficult and odd postion. He was treated in the tomb he was laid in by his trusted friends and when his injuries inflicted on the Cross got healed he migrated to the lost sheep of Israel who were in exile.

Paul and the gospel writers were therefore, in my opinion, not trustworthy persons and Jesus had in effect warned against such persons.

Atheists Agnostics to please join the discussion on this issue believing in God and the Revelation first.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Had the disciples believed in Jesus, they would have left the body of Jesus where it was delivered from the Cross? Jesus woud have got alive forthwith and before everybody’s eyes.

June 11, 2009

Eric Prothro says:

I agree to say that it was weird to say that they were courageous because prior to the death and resurrection, they were not courageous.

In fact, they (disciples) did not understand hardly anything prior to the resurrection.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Eric

Thanks for agreeing with me that the disciples were dull in wisdom and low in understanding things in true perspective. At least Bible depicts them as people of low wisdom and low belief (Quran does not).

Nature of people and their psyche hardly changes; If as Bible says (though it is not correct) they had witnessed Jesus’ making dead Lazarus alive again; that should have made them good believers and courageous; but they never believed that Jesus would become alive after being dead. It was an afterthought or a later made up thought of clever Paul and the sinful scribes followed him.

Had they believed it; they would have not worried about the crucifixion or Jesus hurriedly being taken to the tomb for treatment? They feared about themselves too much and had no belief in the miracles of Jesus. They would have left the body of Jesus where it was delivered from the Cross. He woud have got alive forthwith and before everybody.

Why to take Jesus to Armithea’s tomb. In fact they would have asked Romans and Jews to break legs and bones of Jesus also as was done with the thiefs; Jesus would have got alive from the dead, as per Bible, even if Jesus was minced to pieces; as that would have made the miracle more marvelous and enhanced it credulity.

But they did not believe in the miracle of Lazarus; who was cured only from a near-dead position and hence they believed that Jesus could only get alive from the near dead.

They lacked courage and wisdom before the event of Crucifixion of Jesus; and their nature did not change; they remained dull in understanding and oblivious as to what was taking place inherently behind the apparent scene.

I see their eulogizing Jesus as the continuation of their dullness which took another form; nevertheless it remained with them. They remaind afar from the reality; as they were before the event of Crucifixion; and Paul allured them yet to another clever plot; and they fell into the ditch blindly.

Jesus secretly slipped away to India.

I am with innocent Jesus and innocent Mary; who were courageous in character; why should I be with the cunning Paul and the sinful scribes.

I respect your faith; yet I have to express what I believe sincerely.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


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