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Kasey:
Rome or India…he (Jesus) was just a man! (nm)
Fri Mar 13, 2009 06:33
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paarsurrey whitemunara says:
Hi friend kasey!
I agree with you that Jesus was a human being and not a god whether he lived in Judea or he later, after the incident of crucifixion in which he survived a cursed death, he went to self-exile to live in India.
Quran mentions this much clarity. I give some verses of Quran about him for my friends here:
[5:70] اِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا وَالَّذِيْنَ هَادُوْا وَالصّٰبِـُٔوْنَ وَالنَّصٰرٰى مَنْ اٰمَنَ بِاللّٰهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْاٰخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًـا فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُوْنَ
[5:70] Surely, those who have believed, and the Jews, and the Sabians, and the Christians — whoso believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds, on them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.
[5:71] لَقَدْ اَخَذْنَا مِيْثَاقَ بَنِىْۤ اِسْرَآءِيْلَ وَاَرْسَلْنَاۤ اِلَيْهِمْ رُسُلاًؕ كُلَّمَا جَآءَهُمْ رَسُوْلٌۢ بِمَا لَا تَهْوٰٓى اَنْفُسُهُمْۙ فَرِيْقًا كَذَّبُوْا وَفَرِيْقًا يَّقْتُلُوْنَ
[5:71] Surely, We took a covenant from the children of Israel, and We sent Messengers to them. But every time there came to them a Messenger with what their hearts desired not, they treated some as liars, and some they sought to kill.
[5:72] وَحَسِبُوْۤا اَلَّا تَكُوْنَ فِتْنَةٌ فَعَمُوْا وَصَمُّوْا ثُمَّ تَابَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِمْ ثُمَّ عَمُوْا وَصَمُّوْا كَثِيْرٌ مِّنْهُمْؕ وَاللّٰهُ بَصِيْرٌۢ بِمَا يَعْمَلُوْنَ
[5:72] And they thought there would be no punishment, so they became blind and deaf. But Allah turned to them in mercy; yet again many of them became blind and deaf; and Allah is Watchful of what they do.
[5:73] لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِيْنَ قَالُوْۤا اِنَّ اللّٰهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيْحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَؕ وَقَالَ الْمَسِيْحُ يٰبَنِىْۤ اِسْرآءِيْلَ اعْبُدُوْا اللّٰهَ رَبِّىْ وَرَبَّكُمْؕ اِنَّهٗ مَنْ يُّشْرِكْ بِاللّٰهِ فَقَدْ حَرَّمَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ الْجَـنَّةَ وَمَاْوٰٮهُ النَّارُؕ وَمَا لِلظّٰلِمِيْنَ مِنْ اَنْصَارٍ
[5:73] Indeed they are disbelievers who say, ‘Surely, Allah is none but the Messiah, son of Mary,’ whereas the Messiah himself said, ‘O children of Israel, worship Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord.’ Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort. And the wrongdoers shall have no helpers.
[5:74] لَـقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِيْنَ قَالُوْۤا اِنَّ اللّٰهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلٰثَةٍۘ وَمَا مِنْ اِلٰهٍ اِلَّاۤ اِلٰـهٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ وَاِنْ لَّمْ يَنْتَهُوْا عَمَّا يَقُوْلُوْنَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ اَلِيْمٌ
[5:74] They are surely disbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the third of three;’ there is no God but the One God. And if they do not desist from what they say, a grievous punishment shall surely befall those of them that disbelieve.
[5:75] اَفَلَا يَتُوْبُوْنَ اِلَى اللّٰهِ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُوْنَهٗؕ وَاللّٰهُ غَفُوْرٌ رَّحِيْمٌ
[5:75] Will they not then turn to Allah and beg His forgiveness, while Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful?
[5:76] مَا الْمَسِيْحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ اِلَّا رَسُوْلٌۚ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُؕ وَاُمُّهٗ صِدِّيْقَةٌ ؕ كَانَا يَاْكُلٰنِ الطَّعَامَؕ اُنْظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْاٰيٰتِ ثُمَّ انْظُرْ اَنّٰى يُؤْفَكُوْنَ
[5:76] The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.
[5:77] قُلْ اَتَعْبُدُوْنَ مِنْ دُوْنِ اللّٰهِ مَا لَا يَمْلِكُ لَـكُمْ ضَرًّا وَّلَا نَفْعًاؕ وَاللّٰهُ هُوَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ
[5:77] Say, ‘Will you worship beside Allah that which has no power to do you harm or good?’ And it is Allah Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
[5:78] قُلْ يٰۤاَهْلَ الْـكِتٰبِ لَا تَغْلُوْا فِىْ دِيْنِكُمْ غَيْرَ الْحَـقِّ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوْۤا اَهْوَآءَ قَوْمٍ قَدْ ضَلُّوْا مِنْ قَبْلُ وَاَضَلُّوْا كَثِيْرًا وَّضَلُّوْا عَنْ سَوَآءِ السَّبِيْلِ
[5:78] Say, ‘O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in the matter of your religion unjustly, nor follow the evil inclinations of a people who went astray before and caused many to go astray, and who have strayed away from the right path.’
[5:79] لُعِنَ الَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا مِنْۢ بَنِىْۤ اِسْرَآءِيْلَ عَلٰى لِسَانِ دَاوٗدَ وَعِيْسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَؕ ذٰلِكَ بِمَا عَصَوا وَّكَانُوْا يَعْتَدُوْنَ
[5:79] Those amongst the children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David, and of Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=5&verse=69
So Quran does not eulogize Jesus. It is Paul who carved a mythical god from an imaginative Jesus, not the real and historic Jesus. Jesus carved by Paul from myths is not acceptable to the intelligent and rational America and Americans and the people in the West. Let America know the real and rational Jesus of Quran. What the American ladies n gents have to do with the ascetic Jesus who can’t solve their moral and spiritual problems?
I love Jesus so I would defend him against weird concepts of Paul.
Thanks
paarsurrey – an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim
