Posts Tagged ‘literal’

Jesus not G-d

May 11, 2015

www.religiousforums.com > <How can God be Jesus, and the father, yet Jesus not be the father?>

http://www.religiousforums.com/threads/how-can-god-be-jesus-and-the-father-yet-jesus-not-be-the-father.176806/#post-4283209

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    Paarsurrey wrote:

    Jesus was never a G-d. It is a wrong notion.
    Regards

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Paarsurrey wrote:

You mean that Jesus was a manifestation of G-d like Abraham, Moses and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908? Please elaborate.

Regards

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    Paarsurrey wrote:

    What do you mean by literal? Do you mean Jesus was not real?
    Regards

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Paarsurrey wrote:

All prophets/messengers of G-d like Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Socrates, Muhammad and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) being in the image of G-d were endowed this deific nature; Jesus/Esa had no distinction whatsoever in this connection.

Regards

Woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from God,’

April 9, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://trueandreasonable.co/2014/04/07/is-god-horrible/comment-page-1/#comment-969

paarsurreysaid:
April 9, 2014 at 11:25 am

@ trueandreasonable
“Ok so now many atheists want to say God is a “murderer!” He asked/commanded people to kill others. We have such stories in the Old Testament. How can we worship such a God?

Well first of all I tend not to believe the Old Testament is literal. I think the Old Testament is by and large a collection of stories. Yes the Holy Spirit inspired them but how exactly that works, I do not pretend to speak for that Holy Spirit. But even an atheist should consider that Jewish scripture consists of what possibly the very best and brightest cultures thought was some of their best literature. I agree some books do nothing for me but other books I find delightful and wonderful. I am somewhat saddened when I see people reading it only for the purpose they want to get out of it instead of thinking about what the author was up to.” Unquote

Sorry friend; I disagree with you.

The author of a book of a Bible has no right to write a religious scripture unless he has received Word of Revelation from the One-True-God. How an author who has received no revelation and is writing with his own sinful hands can claim it to be from God or inspired by God or even inspired by an angel?*

The angles (Holy Spirits) only do what they are commanded to do by God; they cannot do anything on their own.**
If the author has received a Word of Revelation from God then he should expressly mention it that this is a message from God.

If he does not mention it; then he is simply a sinful person faking a scripture and should not be believed in. ***
Such fictional stories should not be believed in.

A truthful Christian should not insist on these stories to be true; it is for this that people get frustrated and leave religion altogether.
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[2:80] Woe, therefore, to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from Allah,’ that they may take for it a paltry price. Woe, then, to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=79
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[16:50] And whatever is in the heavens and whatever creature is in the earth submitshumbly to Allah, and the angels too, and they do not behave proudly.
[16:51] They fear their Lord above them, and do what they are commanded.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=16&verse=50
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[3:95] Now whoso forges a lie against Allah after this, then it is these that are the wrongdoers.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=3&verse=94

Regards

Why Christians want to put words into Jesus’ mouth? Jesus abhorred

March 4, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8733

paarsurrey
MAR 04, 2014 @ 16:51:30

I further have to add to my comments of MAR 03, 2014 @ 22:46:52:

A very clear testimony of Matthew:

Matthew 13:34

“Jesus spoke all these things to the crowd in parables; he did not say anything to them without using a parable”

http://biblehub.com/matthew/13-34.htm

It is for this that I say that the Christians should believe the core teaching of Jesus as mentioned in Matthew 22:36-40:

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’[a] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’[b] 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
Matthew 22:36-40

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+22%3A36-40

It makes it very clear that Jesus never declared himself a god or son of god in literal and physical terms; and whatever Jesus mentioned elsewhere the Christians should take that as symbolic and in parables terms and interpret it in the light of these clear teachings. It is a common sense approach.

Had he been a god, in literal and physical sense, he would have told it in unequivocal and straightforward terms?

Whom he was afraid of that he could not declare his god-head himself? Why did he leave this the most important issue for others to announce posthumous?

Even a weak human being won’t make such a blunder.

Thanks

Jesus was not “Son of God”

February 24, 2014

I have made following comments: blog “The Calladus Blog”; topic “What I believe”: link:

http://calladus.blogspot.ca/2010/05/what-i-believe.html
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5736821&postID=1351504333661851099&page=1&token=1393273621502

Paarsurrey:

@ Calladus : 23/2/14 5:31 PM (posted but still awaiting moderation by Calladus)

I take your first quote of Bible:

Matt 11:27

[26] Yea, Father; for so hath it seemed good in thy sight. [27] All things are delivered to me by my Father. And no one knoweth the Son, but the Father: neither doth any one know the Father, but the Son, and he to whom it shall please the Son to reveal him. [28] Come to me, all you that labour, and are burdened, and I will refresh you. [29] Take up my yoke upon you, and learn of me, because I am meek, and humble of heart: and you shall find rest to your souls. [30] For my yoke is sweet and my burden light.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/47011.htm

Jesus was talking in parables and metaphors; as could be ascertained from the words “all you that labor”, “burdened”, “refresh”, “Take up my yoke”; so the words “Father” and “Son” are not literal but should be taken in symbolic form.

Now, here, you should reflect that you took a wrong view of Christianity; which is only a misnomer only because it teaches the teachings of Paul and Church and has nothing to do with the real teachings of Jesus.

You rejected the total picture of Christianity being irrational; and irrational it is for sure; this is because its many tenets that were invented by Paul and collaborated by the Church were irrational.

The interpretation of your research is wrong; the total could not be wrong if many of its components were not wrong.

Your study of Christianity is intact; but you could not ascertain right in it from the wrong in it, only because you could not think of a true principle that could have lead you to the correct conclusion.

Son of God, Alpha Omega, Word Incarnate, Lamb of God: only parables

November 14, 2009

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4808

Shaunm1963 wrote:

AND if you LOVE Jesus and Mary (as mentioned in the Koran) do you also believe that Jesus is the Son of God and the Word Incarnate and the Alpha and Omega and the Lamb of God? What do you MEAN you LOVE them???

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Shaunm1963

Yes, I love Jesus and Mary like I love all the Messengers Prophets mentioned in Quran i.e. Moses, Moses’ mother, Noah, Jonah etc. They were exemplary personalities for the human beings; that is why they were selected by the Creator-God Allah YHWH as Models for humanity.

1. I don’t believe Jesus to be son of god, in its literal meaning; yes I believe that he was one of the persons whom the Creator- God loved.

2. Jesus was never a Word incarnate in its literal meaning; but in the meaning that all the Messenger Prophets fulfilled the purpose of the creations of human beings; in that sense all the Messengers are the Word incarnate; nothing special with Jesus.

3. In the same sense all Messengers are Alpha and Omega; in the image of the Creator- God Allah YHWH; and they fulfill the purpose of human creation.

4. All the Messengers have to suffer and make sacrifices in the way of the Creator- God Allah YHWH; they are all Lambs of God, nothing special with Jesus.

5. Jesus talked in parables; the sinful and deserting scribes and the Church did not understand the parables sometimes and took it literally; they carved myths from the parables, we don’t have to follow their mistakes unnecessarily for nothing.

The human society is and must be rational, reasonable and logical; it cannot live in mythical castles. It is for this that I say the Jesus of Bible is no more relevant in the West. Jesus and Mary of Quran are real and relevant for the West and hence they must be loved as their celebrities.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran; not the mythical ones as mentioned by the cunning Paul and sinful scribes in the NT.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim