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Jesus?

July 27, 2013

Paarsurrey says:


“For most Christians belief in God and belief in Jesus may be the same sort of belief because of the inclinations of Christian theology, but the beliefs are, in truth, different. ”
I agree with your above words in the start of your post; that belief in Jesus as a god is different; he never claimed to be a god.
Jesus was a Jew and he believed in Yahweh whom he used to address as God-the-Father.

April 1, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

We get the following from Quran in this connection:

[3:68] Abraham was neither a Jew nor a Christian, but he was ever inclined to God and obedient to Him, and he was not of those who associate gods with God.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=3&verse=67

Thanks

altruistico

Abraham is one of the best-known people of the Bible. He’s a key figure in the history of both the Jewish and Arab people. He was the great-grandfather of Judah, whose descendants became known as the Jews, and he was also the father of Ishmael, from whom many of the Arab people are descended. Abraham was a Hebrew, and although the ancestor of both, Abraham himself was neither Jew nor Arab.Abraham

“The Sons Of Noah: Shem, Ham and Japheth…The sons of Shem: Elam, Asshur, Arphaxad, Lud and Aram. The sons of Aram: Uz, Hul, Gether and Meshech. Arphaxad was the father of Shelah, and Shelah the father of Eber. Two sons were born to Eber: One was named Peleg, because in his time the earth was divided; his brother was named Joktan. Joktan was the father of Almodad, Sheleph, Hazarmaveth, Jerah, Hadoram, Uzal, Diklah, Obal, Abimael, Sheba, Ophir, Havilah and Jobab…

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Jesus was ignorant of the eschatology of the so called present “Christianity”

May 7, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/and-then-shall-all-the-tribes-of-the-earth-mourn-and-they-shall-see-the-son-of-man-coming-in-the-clouds-of-heaven-with-power-and-great-glory/#comment-1020#comment-1020

methodus wrote:

I could not tell where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s commentary ended and where your opinions began. that said, it is clear that he either knows nothing about Christian eschatology or was intentionally lying to his audience.

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend methodus

It is all from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah- Imam Mahdi – The Second Coming of Jesus. In his first Coming Jesus never knew anything about Christian eschatology as the present “Christianity” was never founded by Jesus but by clever Paul and the Church. Jesus was a Jew and a follower of the teachings of Moses. It is therefore obvious that Jesus was neither aware of the eschatology of the so called “Christians” in his first coming; nor he needs it in the Second Coming. He is guided by the Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH and so he gives guidance to others very truthfully.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

One expresses and declares one’s religion oneself; not others for one

April 8, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/ending-the-pretense-of-faith/#comment-981#comment-981#comment-981

wudjab Says:

April 7, 2010 at 8:34 pm

Sorry to break it to you bud, but.

First of all as an Ahmediya, you are not even considered a muslim. So saying you are a “Ahmadi peaceful Muslim” is a bit of an oxymoron. I guess you missed the part about big Mo being the last prophet.

Also since you are weak on Islamic theology, I’d suggest you quit trying to pass judgement on Christianity. It just makes you look stupider than you are.. or maybe you really are that stupid.

Finally there is no such thing as a ‘peaceful muslim’. Muslims are peaceful only until they are forced to be.

paarsurrey Says:

April 7, 2010 at 11:37 pm

Hi friend wudjab

Thanks for your “kind” words.

Was Jesus a “Christian”; I think he was a Jew. “Christianity” started with clever Paul, when he (Paul) saw no vision and made up the story that he had seen. Paul founded the Religion “Christianity” and named it cleverly after Jesus.

It is better for you to name yourself a “Paulist” rather than to say that you are Christian; though I don’t mind if you still say that you are a Christian. One expresses and declares one’s religion oneself; not others.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks again

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Catholics Protestants to side with Jesus; as Muhammad took side of Jesus and Mary and he restored their respect, honor and teachings with Quran

May 7, 2009

Peacewithinreach says:

I will remain concerned for those who have diminished what the Bible has said since the beginning of time, and which so many of us have experienced, because He is real. Jesus is God the Son, no matter what glory guys like …or Joseph Smith wanted to take away from Him.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend peacewithinreach

I think that our real concern should not be as to what the Bible says; our real concern should be what Jesus says. If Paul or any other sinful scribes want us to believe what Jesus never said in the first place, then how could we leave Jesus and start believing what the other tricked us to believe cunningly and sinfully.

The Bible presents us Jesus as god; then what stopped Jesus saying and recording for us what he wanted to convey to us.

Was he not mature enough to write it himself or dictate it to somebody or authorize somebody to write as an attorney on behalf of him? Jesus of Bible did not do anything of the sorts.

God had to be All-Powerful; here we see Jesus of Bible only as an All-Weak a person, not to speak of being fit to be perfect god, Jesus of Bible is not even a prudent and wise perfect man.

I would therefore request you very earnestly to side with Jesus; as Muhammad took side of Jesus and Mary and restored their respect and honor, which had been at stake at hands of cunning Paul and the sinful scribes.

Jesus did not want anything to write; he was a Jew and an obedient servant of God in row of Moses; he was just to revive Moses’ message or Law.

I respect your religion; but this is what I believe sincerely and frankly.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jews claim the Gospels have been blatantly plagiarized from Talmud and certain other Jewish books – even whole paragraphs word for word

May 2, 2009

Promised Messiah’s opinion is that the ancient book of Yuz Asaf is Jesus’ (as) own Gospel which was written during his journey to India.

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, The promised Messiah, the Second Coming says:

Brother! These are black-hearted people who do not fear
God. They are trying, day and night, to make people love
darkness and forsake the light. I cannot understand how
you could be influenced by the writings of such people.
They are, in fact, worse than the magicians who had
turned ropes into serpents in the presence of Prophet
Moses (as), but since he was a Prophet of God, his staff
swallowed up all their serpents.

The Holy Quran is likewise
the ‘staff of God’ which continues to swallow up
snakes made of ropes, and the day is coming—it is indeed
at hand—when they shall all disappear without a trace.
The author of Yanabi-ul-Islam has tried to prove that the
Holy Quran has been copied from certain accounts or
books, but his effort is nothing compared to the effort
made by a learned Jew to determine the authenticity of the
Gospels.

He has established, in his own estimation, that
the moral teachings of the Gospels have been taken from
the Jewish scripture Talmud and certain other books of
the Israelites, and that this act of plagiary has been so blatant
that whole paragraphs have been copied word for
word.

The scholar has proved that the Gospels are a collection
of stolen material, and has gone so far as to prove
that the ‘Sermon on the Mount’—in which Christians take
such pride—has been copied verbatim from the Talmud.
He has shown that the text has also been copied from
various other books, and has thus astonished many people.
European researchers are also taking a keen interest in this
research.

I recently came across a book written by a Hindu
in which he, too, had tried to prove that the Gospels have
been taken from the teachings of Buddha, and he cited
Buddha’s moral teachings to establish this point. The
story about the devil, who took Jesus(as) from place to place
to tempt him, is also prevalent among the Buddhists. Everyone
is, therefore, entitled to believe that the story has
been copied in the Gospels with minor alterations.

It is an established fact that Jesus (as) came to India and his grave is
to be found in Srinagar, Kashmir, as I have proved with
categorical evidence. And in this context, the detractors are
further justified to believe that the existing Gospels are
merely a sketch of Buddhism. The evidence in this regard
is so overwhelming that it can no longer be concealed.

Another incredible fact is that the ancient book of Yuz
Asaf (which most English scholars believe to have been
published before the birth of Jesus), and which has been
translated in all European countries, is so similar to the
Gospels that many of their passages are identical. The parables
used by the Gospels are also found word for word in
this book.

Even if the person reading it were so ignorant as
to be practically blind, he would still be convinced that the
Gospels have been borrowed from the same book. Some
people, including some English scholars, believe that this
book belongs to Gautama Buddha, and that it was originally
in Sanskrit and was later translated into other
languages.

If this is true, the Gospels would lose all their
credibility and Jesusas would be considered a plagiarist in
all his teachings—God forbid. The book is available for
everyone to see. My own opinion, however, is that this
book is Jesus’ (as) own Gospel which was written during his
journey to India. I have proved with many arguments that it
is indeed the Gospel of Jesus (as), and is purer and holier than
the other Gospels. The English scholars who consider this
book to be that of Buddha, call Jesus (as) a plagiarist by implication,
and thus they dig their own grave.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Fountain-of-Christianity-20080505MN.pdf

Baruch’s Conversion from a Christian to a Jew

August 7, 2008

Hi
I think it is only because the Christians follow mythical theological philosophy of Paul invented at Rome; and that they don’t follow simple teachings of Jesus that their faith is no longer rational and reasonable. The ordinary, man in the street, has not other alternative than either to become an Atheist/Agnostic or to change his religion. This is the frustration, in my opinion, of the most of the Christians of today.
I give hereunder a real story of Bruce James (Baruch Gershom) who converted from mythical Christianity of Paul to Judaism.
The Christians are requested to search for the real faith of Jesus by leaving deviant ways of Paul and returning to Jesus.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Courtesy: http://judaism.about.com/od/conversiontojudaism/a/baruch.htm

From Bruce James (Baruch Gershom) , for About.com

I wrote the following article which was published in the Baltimore Jewish Times on April 10, 1981. It has been excerpted in the book “Becoming Jewish” by Rabbi Maurice Lamm.

“You’re a convert? Gee. That’s interesting. If you don’t mind my asking, why did you do it?”

I suppose every convert to Judaism is asked the question and I’ve gotten used to it, but there is another comment I often hear that is disturbing:

“You’re a convert? There must have been a girl.”

Oy!

A lot of people just can’t believe that there is something in the Jewish religion worth having. Something that someone from the accepted, middle-class WASP world would want. So when a Jewish person makes this comment, I have to realize my patience and explain why I converted and how much value there is in being Jewish.

I doubt that my parents will ever understand why I converted. All they see now is a yarmulka on the head of a son who’s not the same person they watched grow up.

But I am the same person. Yes, I keep my head covered, pray three times a day, put on tefillin, keep a kosher home and stomach, keep Shabbos strictly, and observe other laws that, in my parents’ eyes, link me with the most fanatic and backward cult in the world. When I come home, it’s not as if their son came home, rather it’s as if they received a visit from someone from another planet.

Still, it is doubtful that I could have become an Orthodox Jew without important training I received at home.

My parents gave me a firm belief in G-d, a dedication to honesty and consistency, and a love for all people. Without these values I would have been lost in an agnostic world full of contradictions and ethical conflicts.

I was 16 when I decided to become a Jew. But even at 14 or 15 I was very religious, active in my church and giving thought to someday becoming a minister as had my great-great-grandfather. I was developing ideas that were different from standard Christian doctrine: not knowing any alternative, though, I decided to use them in a Christian context.

But all that changed one Friday night. My church confirmation class made a field trip to the synagogue in my hometown, Colorado Springs, Colorado. After the service, the rabbi stayed on and answered our questions.

One student asked if the color of the rabbi’s skullcap meant anything. No, he said. He has one to match his blue suit and others to match different articles of clothing. Another person asked him why they had somebody else (a cantor) sing the service. “Because he has a better voice than I have,” he answered quickly with a grin.

But I was cocky, and still believing that Jesus was Messiah, I baited the rabbi:

“Has the Messiah come yet?” I asked.

“No,” he said. “Look at all the suffering in the world.”

“When will he come?”

“Certainly not until we get better for him.”

“Then why should he come?”

“Exactly.”

I was stunned. Obviously, his answers to my questions were brief and over-simplified. But he hit me with one of my own theories that had no source in Christian doctrine: man plays a key role in the salvation of the world. The world is not doomed to destruction, and man may be, ultimately, perfectible.

I continued my studies of the New Testament. I was disturbed that the enlightenment of Jesus was fizzled by the narrow-minded doctrine of the Apostle Paul. Yet, when I finished my confirmation training, I was at the top of my class. On a test of Bible knowledge, the average score was 20 to 40 points. I scored an 88, double the next highest.

Then my minister asked everyone in my class to write a statement of faith. This would be used when the church elders considered our application for membership in the Presbyterian Church.

I prepared my paper with the same glee that Martin Luther must have had when he wrote his attack on the Catholic Church. First I attacked the way the Jewish ideas of Jesus had been cast away by Paul and other Church leaders and substituted with customs and values from pagan religions — often without benefit of any symbolic tie-in — all to make Christianity more marketable.

Then I attacked the dualism of Christianity. The devil got the blame for everything, I wrote with tongue in cheek, but where would Christianity be without the devil? What would motivate people to do good if not for the threat of eternal damnation?

One of the elders eventually read my piece. He told me that I had some interesting ideas. And he recommended me for membership. I couldn’t believe it. Didn’t the Church have any standards? I should have refused membership at that point. But at the time, I felt I really had no choice but to accept.

One day I just stopped going to church. But that didn’t send me to the synagogue. I didn’t know anything about Judaism. But I did know that I didn’t like the way Christianity had developed. In my mind, what had begun as a Jewish cult, in a short time, became a religion that preached love and fought wars.

What language did Jesus speek?

July 17, 2008

Question at “Yahoo Answers”: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080717055713AAOjTEC&r=w#EKxwUzK1AFc__h67F.av

What language did Jesus speek?

Paarsurrey answers:

Hi

Jesus and his mother Mary were Jewish religious people; they spoke Hebrew or Aramaic. The languages of the common inhabitants of Jerusalem at the time of Jesus were Hebrew or Aramaic; and they were addressees of Jesus. So Jesus spoke one of these languages only then his message could reach the masses that Jesus was set to purify.

In no case Jesus’ language was Latin or Greek; while we find the scriptures or NTBible in Latin or Greek languages which means the originals if any were lost or were non-existent and what we have now is translations only or that these have been written much afterward and most probably were not an account of the eyewitnesses of the account of Jesus’ life or Mary’s life. The disciples of Jesus were also Jews and hence they spoke Hebrew or Aramaic.

Paul was not a disciple of Jesus; he was not trained or educated by Jesus; he was an enemy of Jesus and his disciples and his own testimony is on record.

“Eli, Eli Lima sabaqtani” the only surviving words from Jesus mouth on Cross are of Hebrew; that proves undoubtedly that Jesus spoke Hebrew.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Source(s):
“Jesus in India” by the Promised Messiah 1835-1908
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jes…