Posts Tagged ‘Holy Spirit’

Woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from God,’

April 9, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://trueandreasonable.co/2014/04/07/is-god-horrible/comment-page-1/#comment-969

paarsurreysaid:
April 9, 2014 at 11:25 am

@ trueandreasonable
“Ok so now many atheists want to say God is a “murderer!” He asked/commanded people to kill others. We have such stories in the Old Testament. How can we worship such a God?

Well first of all I tend not to believe the Old Testament is literal. I think the Old Testament is by and large a collection of stories. Yes the Holy Spirit inspired them but how exactly that works, I do not pretend to speak for that Holy Spirit. But even an atheist should consider that Jewish scripture consists of what possibly the very best and brightest cultures thought was some of their best literature. I agree some books do nothing for me but other books I find delightful and wonderful. I am somewhat saddened when I see people reading it only for the purpose they want to get out of it instead of thinking about what the author was up to.” Unquote

Sorry friend; I disagree with you.

The author of a book of a Bible has no right to write a religious scripture unless he has received Word of Revelation from the One-True-God. How an author who has received no revelation and is writing with his own sinful hands can claim it to be from God or inspired by God or even inspired by an angel?*

The angles (Holy Spirits) only do what they are commanded to do by God; they cannot do anything on their own.**
If the author has received a Word of Revelation from God then he should expressly mention it that this is a message from God.

If he does not mention it; then he is simply a sinful person faking a scripture and should not be believed in. ***
Such fictional stories should not be believed in.

A truthful Christian should not insist on these stories to be true; it is for this that people get frustrated and leave religion altogether.
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[2:80] Woe, therefore, to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: ‘This is from Allah,’ that they may take for it a paltry price. Woe, then, to them for what their hands have written, and woe to them for what they earn.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=2&verse=79
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[16:50] And whatever is in the heavens and whatever creature is in the earth submitshumbly to Allah, and the angels too, and they do not behave proudly.
[16:51] They fear their Lord above them, and do what they are commanded.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=16&verse=50
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[3:95] Now whoso forges a lie against Allah after this, then it is these that are the wrongdoers.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=3&verse=94

Regards

“How old was Jesus Christ when he died?”

February 11, 2010

Paarsurrey edits/revises the answer.
Courtesy: wiki.answers.com

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_was_Jesus_Christ_when_he_died&action=edit

We do not know for sure the exact age of Jesus when He was crucified, but He was probably 33 years old.

Here is the argument. Jesus was baptized which means he was not a “Christian”. But the reason He was baptized was to “fulfill all righteousness,” (Matt. 3:15); Jesus never mentioned that reason, Matthew was not innocent, so could be wrong.

He had to fulfill the legal requirements for entering into the priesthood after the order of Melchizedek (Psalm 110:4; Heb. 5:8-10; 6:20); that would have made Jesus a Jew; not a “Christian god”.

Priests offered sacrifice to God on behalf of the people. Jesus became a sacrifice for our sin (1 Pet. 2:24; 2 Cor. 5:21); if we would have sinned ; what our sins had to do with Jesus’ sacrifice or to any priest.

To be consecrated as a priest, Jesus had to be: 1) washed with water – baptism – (Lev. 8:6; Exodus 29:4, Matt. 3:16). 2) Anointed with oil – the Holy Spirit – (Lev. 8:12; Exodus 29:7; Matt. 3:16).

Jesus was a Christian god; if he was innocent he need do any such thing. Additionally, He may have needed to be 30 years old, Num. 4:3, “from thirty years and upward, even to fifty years old, all who enter the service to do the work in the tent of meeting.” Therefore we can conclude that Jesus began His earthly ministry at the age of 30. Since it went on for 3 1/2 years before Jesus was crucified, it is safe to say that He was 33 at the time of His death Jesus (the man) was crucified at the age of 33.

Jesus was though put on Cross, yet he was delivered in near-dead position.

• I’d say he was 24 at best.

• There are some Muslim traditions which say Jesus died a natural and peaceful death in Sirinagar, Kashmir, India, at the age of 120/125 years.

• Scholars estimate he was born 2-7 BCE and died 26-36 BCE. The Scholar are human beings; they should revise their estimates.
• Keep in mind, 2,000 years ago the average life-expectancy was less than 20; even then people could live well beyond an old age.

he was not 33 years old they don’t know exactly what was the age and it don’t say that in the bible

Since the Bible is specific about time, Christ would have been 33 1/2 years old when He was crucified, or 33 yrs., 6 mos.

Bible is not a sound source of history. The scriptures tell us that He died on Passover, so by using simple math, we can count BACKWARDS 6 mos. from Passover (roughly the middle of March) and determine His date of birth also, roughly the middle of September…Well, the scriptures could be wrong, the are supposed to be written by faulty human beings.

This last entry is pretty accurate; but remember: he also had an earthly existence for some 33 & a half years and also a heavenly preexistence before he came to live as a man on earth, and starting out life as a human baby. He is referred to in the Holy Scriptures as: “the first born of creation, and the son of God.”It is wrong to say Jesus was first born; physically. All things were created through him after he came to be. “I came to be a master worker along side my Father…..” Given that understanding, Jesus would have to be many millions of years, and probably billions of years old. No wonder he was so wise!

Meditating on these facts as we know them from the bible will help us understand the meaning of him being a mighty god, but not almighty God; god Jesus never was and he never claimed to be as such literally.

He is the son of God, an actual direct creation of God; Jesus was not a son of God; also, this is only possible if Mary was a wife of God; since that was not the case; Jesus could not be son of God literally. Therefore he is not God. He is the image of God, figuratively yes, as we would say a son is the image of his father. Yet a son is not in reality the father. Therefore the Father, Son, And Holy Spirit are one in purpose, but not three parts of one entity.

We don’t have to use this terminology cooked by Paul; it is a faulty terminology The Father, or God, the Creator, was most commonly known by the name of Jehovah. Some refer to him from the Hebrew as YHWH, and think it is wrong to utter God’s name aloud. What is wrong is ‘to utter God’s name in vain.’ We are to say His name with reverence and deep respect. Jesus model prayer referred to or known as ‘the Lord’s prayer’ says: “Let your name be sanctified,” or “Hallowed be thy name.”

I have made some changes; for more accuracy the editors should read the book “Jesus in India” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_old_was_Jesus_Christ_when_he_died&action=edit

I thank wiki.answers, for giving an opportunity to me to revise the article.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Paul and Church carved Jesus god out of the thin air, it is only a myth

February 11, 2010

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108849&start=20

Adco wrote:

Man has created god in his own image that is why you see pictures in kids bibles showing god to be this old bearded man sitting on a cloud. It is a myth. I said that man created the concept of god and from that God came into “existance”, not as a physical entity, but in the minds of people so that he could be used to manipulate and control. To want to control, manipulate and win and be right is part of being human.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends

In the case of Christians, I agree that Paul and the Church created Trinity; Paul and the Church carved Jesus god out of the thin air, it is only a myth. Similarly Holy Spirit is a god created by Paul and the Church. So, it is entirely a human endeavor; I agree.

One of my Jewish friend in another forum informed that most of the Atheists Agnostics Anti-Theists; when they say there is no god; they mean Jesus is not god.

I don’t know how much of this is corrects; unless my friends here would confirm it.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Holy Spirit was only an angel, not a god

January 12, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=89800#p89800
Trinity – a mistake of the Catholics Protestants

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends

John 20:17

16 Jesus saith to her: Mary. She turning, saith to him: Rabboni (which is to say, Master). 17 Jesus saith to her: Do not touch me, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. But go to my brethren, and say to them: I ascend to my Father and to your Father, to my God and your God. 18 Mary Magdalen cometh, and telleth the disciples: I have seen the Lord, and these things he said to me. 19 Now when it was late that same day, the first of the week, and the doors were shut, where the disciples were gathered together, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and said to them: Peace be to you. 20 And when he had said this, he shewed them his hands and his side. The disciples therefore were glad, when they saw the Lord.

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/50020.htm

Jesus denied his divinity; he was different from his God the father to whom he was to go after his natural death; he did not mention here of the Holy Spirit as it was only an angel, not a god.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Anyone please quote from such Jews or Muslims who believe Jesus and Holy Spirit as god; I think not a single Jew or Muslim would be found

June 7, 2009

Edbooked says:

Who, other than Christianity, would describe the one God worshiped by Christians, Jews, and Muslims as three persons? Yet that is how the biblical writers perceived God to be revealed to humanity. They perceived the one
God; being revealed as creator Father, as obedient son even unto death and as consoling Holy Spirit and counselor.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend edbooked

The Jews and Muslims don’t believe Jesus as god or the Holy Spirit as god. Please quote from such Jews or Muslims who believe Jesus and Holy Spirit as god; I think not a single Jew or Muslim would be found believing such thing. Even Jesus did not believe like that.

This game started with Paul; when Jesus secretly moved away from Galilee to India, after have esacpaed a cursed deatho on Cross; Paul thought it an opportune time to bring superflous ideas to mar the simple teachings of Jesus who always followed in the line of Moses.

The deserting sinful scribes of gospels also followed Paul.

I am sorry to state; that the prsent Christians though call themselves after the Christ; yet they are followers of Paul, and not of Jesus.

What is your denomination/faith? This is only requested for clarity in perceiving you standpoint; no compulsion however. Please don’t mind.

I love Jesus and Mary as I love Moses and his mother.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The Holy Spirit must have accompanied Jesus when he immigrated to India

December 7, 2008

http://forums.catholic.com/showpost.php?p=4516708&postcount=47
Who do you say that I am as a Muslim?

Originally Posted by ralphinal
I am not sure that you understand. According to Muslims, Paul was a lying, corrupting S.O.B. who tainted Christianity into Christianity from the God-created correct faith of Islam.

Originally Posted by underdog

Do you believe Muslims have the Spirit of God?

Hi

Yes we Muslim do have a Spirit of God; it was, in my opinion, with Jesus to save him from a cursed death on Cross. Whenever God Allah sends a Messenger Prophet; he orders the Holy Spirit to not only to deliver His Word to him but also to help him in the matters of conveying it to the people whom the Messenger is to deliver the message.

In my opinion, it was for this that Jesus was saved by the Holy Spirit not on the Cross only but also beyond it in the recovery of his health from the injuries inflicted upon him on the Cross and also to immigrate to India to deliver the message to the lost Sheep of the House of Israel residing there. The Holy Spirit went with Jeus wherever he went; must have accompanied him to his journey to India, in my opinion.

The Holy Spirit, in our opinion, is a servant of God Allah and cannot disobey His orders. The Holy Spirit does what he is commanded by GodAllah; similarly all other angels obey Him.

It was the same Holy Spirit who was with Moses, Abraham,Mary, Buddha and Krishna, in my opinion.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Buddha and Krishna

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Trinity – a very loose hat on Jesus’ head

June 16, 2008

This is not a debate; it is a peaceful discussion between friends to understand one another’s view point. Others, are welcome to participate in it, to increase our understanding. Differing views will also be appreciated.

 

 

June 14, 2008 at 9:27 pm

paarsurrey

 

Hi Lee!

‘Clearly the whole world will see His coming”.
This is not physically possible. The Earth is round and if Jesus descends, as you say, in the West then people in the East cannot see his descent to happen. The sentence means , in my opinion, that everybody will undestand his coming. So the matter is metaphorical not a physical phenomenon.

 

Do you have a real photograph of Jesus? I don’t think you have one for sure with his real features. So, how would you recognize him ?

Jesus has to be recognized with reasonable arguments.

 

Thanks

 

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

 

June 14, 2008 at 9:52 pm

Lee

 

Those are the Words of Jesus Christ, Savior of the world to those who truly believe in Him and His Word. As the Son of God and part of the Trinity including God the Father, Jesus Christ His only begotten Son and the Holy Spirit, He cannot lie.

19 God is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?
[Numbers 23:19 NIV]

26Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.” [Matthew 19:26 NIV]

I understand it is hard to believe these words literally; but, it’s no problem for me as I have faith in my God. He has proven not to be wrong yet!

I believe the Holy Bible is the infallible Word of Jehovah God. Do you believe in the Bible or the Qu’ran?

 

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June 15, 2008 at 4:08 am

paarsurrey

 

Hi

I believe in Quran and what Quran has confirmed from the NTBible.

Since Jesus left no written Word of GodAllahYHWH revealed on him, or authenticated by him when he last departed from Galilee and went into exile towards India; hence my CatholicsProtestants friends believe many creeds created by the Catholic Clergy not originated by Jesus himself in person.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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June 15, 2008 at 5:56 am

Lee

 

paarsurrey,

We do not have a common point of reference as I believe the Bible to be the infallible Word of Jehovah God. I do not believe the Qu’ran. The Bible and Qu’ran are opposed to one another as the Qu’ran denies the Trinity – one of the major tenets of the Christian faith — and refers to Jesus as merely a prophet.

Jesus IS God as part of the Trinity. Muhammad is not in the Bible. Allah is not in the Bible. The True Word of Jehovah God/YHWH is the Holy Bible; so, I do not believe in Allah or Muhammad. I’m sorry; but, until you can see that Jesus is the Messiah, the Savior of the world, the Real Truth. We cannot have a fruitful dialogue.

Jesus IS the Word of God made flesh (John 1:1-1

I pray your eyes will be opened to the Truth.

In Jesus Christ and Him only,
Lee

June 15, 2008 at 8:11 am

Kim

 

I agree with Lee. Also the Qu’ran states that those who believe that Jesus is part of the trinity are blasphemers.

In the NT the disciples were eyewitnesses to the fact that Jesus ascended into the heavens. So the contention that Jesus went to India is false. There is much documentation to the accuracy of the Bible, in fact it is the best documented manuscript of all time. In fact there is so much evidence available, that if one discards the Bible then one must discard all the literature of antiquity. Then on top of that is the archaeological evidence.

http://www.christiananswers.net/archaeology/home.html

 

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June 15, 2008 at 8:05 pm

paarsurrey

 

Lee said:
Jesus IS God as part of the Trinity
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Hi

I respect your faith.

I know that the CatholicsProtestants believe in Trinity; but that concept was imported from the pagans at Rome by Paul, and Jesus never mentioned it in so many words. Who could stop Jesus from mentioning it clearly? Nobody could stop him obviously. It is Paul who tried to put this too loose a hat on the head of Jesus, to obscure Jesus personality and his teachings in the absence of Jesus.

Perhaps Paul knew that Jesus was in exile towards India and due to poor communications Jesus won’t be able to refute Paul’s views with a tinge of hidden animosity towards Jesus.

Jesus had not died on the Cross, and hence all the philosophical theology of Paul based on Jesus’ cursed killing on Cross gets exposed and his continuous animosity towards Jesus becomes manifest.

I love Jesus and Mary.

Kindly think deeply dispense with Paul and to know the truthful teachings of Jesus. Jesus never proclaimed a god-head for himself. It just does not suit on him well.

This is not to confuse anybody; it is to make one’s faith stronger.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Please remove confusions about God, devil and spirit

June 7, 2008

 

The monotheists believe that One God has many attributes and these attributes need not to be personified or physically made, since God is not a physical being, rather everything physical has been created by Him and he is distinctively aloof of all the creations. God is manifest by His attributes. I would say, please do not mind, out of confusion the polytheists might have personified the attributes of God and often made physical gods and named the same accordingly.

“Shytan” is not a being in itself;it has been created by God.Satan is only a product of human minds and of instinctive human tendencies toward error. God alone is Creator, and all are creatures of His might.”

“Gabriel” is also not a being in him, and works as God orders him, so there is no need to treat him god.

The fact is that all true prophets of great religions of the world on whom God revealed Himself and talked to them, one to one, they have given the message to the mankind that God is one.

To me, it is not a philosophical question; it is the observation and experience of the prophets who talked with God in different ages and different regions of the world that God is one.

 

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Thanks

 

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim