Posts Tagged ‘hearsay’

Entire Gospels are openly confessed to be hearsay

November 20, 2017

~all the quotes attributed to Jesus in the New Testament cannot be trusted to have actually been said by Jesus.
~It is true that the entire Gospels are openly confessed to be hearsay.
~It is also true that Gospels are filled with contradictions too.
~This is also true and no doubt in it that people can find contradictory verses in the NT. 

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Also, keep in mind that I don’t believe that all the quotes attributed to Jesus in the New Testament can be trusted to have actually been said by Jesus. The entire Gospels are openly confessed to be hearsay. I also hold that the Gospels are filled with contradictions too. So I have no doubt that people can find contradictory verses. However, this doesn’t bother me because all that does is confirm my position that the Gospels are indeed self-contradictory.

Paarsurrey wrote:

I agree with one that:

~all the quotes attributed to Jesus in the New Testament cannot be trusted to have actually been said by Jesus.
~It is true that the entire Gospels are openly confessed to be hearsay.
~It is also true that Gospels are filled with contradictions too.
~This is also true and no doubt in it that people can find contradictory verses in the NT.

This is because Pauline-Christianity got hold of anonymous narrations and doctored them cunningly to trick the followers of Jesus to the hold of Pauline-Christianity, nevertheless, one could find the clues and signs to separate truth from the fiction. Right, please?

Regards

How to study Quran? An advice to Atheists

February 11, 2014

I wrote following comments; blog “Dwindling In Unbelief”; topic:”Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”; link:

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=26149572&postID=114987521408797161&page=2&token=1392151301779

paarsurrey said…:
@Richard said…: Sun Feb 09, 04:19:00 PM 2014

“So I check parts of the Quran and sometimes consider comments by Imams in countries that are 90+ % Islam. Yes… I consider translations of imams speaking to Arabic Al Jazeera. Beat your wife soon, she might need it!” Unquote.

This shows that your approach is wrong. These sources which you quote have no status in Islam. Quran itself is self-explanatory. Quran does not delegate any authority to these people.

The correct approach for one, if one wanted to do some research and intended to read its chapter two; then to start with one should have studied the entire chapter two on one’s own. One should have prepared notes while reading, if a question would have naturally arisen from a verse and its context verses; one should have written that question in the note book. If the subsequent verses in the chapter would have cleared the question, one should have noted this also. After the end if there would have been a question which would have not resolved, then one should have again read the chapter and perused it intensively to form an opinion. Afterwards one could discuss such question for clarification. Else it just amounts to hearsay.

One of my atheist friends suggested me reading a book by Christopher Hitchens; I first read the book twice and then started discussing the issues.

If you did not adopt a right approach previously; you can try it now; no harm.

Please have confidence instead of relying on false opinions.

Thanks

Tue Feb 11, 12:41:00 PM 2014

paarsurrey said…
@Richard : Tue Feb 11, 06:28:00 PM 2014

“There is no specific way of checking which is true”

Please don’t be angry and confused.

I think it is not difficult to understand the verses by using a common sense approach which is generally helpful for understanding any book in the world.

A single verse without the text and the context could be sometimes misleading.

One cannot correctly understand the meaning of a word unless one knows the whole sentence in which it has been used; the value of a sentence could be best understood in a passage, and of a passage is best understood in a chapter. The reference with the context is therefore most essential for a useful discussion.

This helps to understand the verses; hence Quran is self-explanatory.

Please try it for correct understanding; no harm.

Will you please?

Thanks
Wed Feb 12, 01:58:00 PM 2014
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=26149572&postID=114987521408797161&page=2&token=1392242318327

Gospels were written by anonymous writers

January 10, 2010

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/was-joseph-smith-junior-a-messengerprophet-of-jesus-and-not-of-god-allah-yhwh/#comment-844

ditchu says:

The bible was written by those inspired by God

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend ditchu

The Gospels were written by anonymous writers and only given names Matthew, Marks, John etc, to provide credence to them. How could you say they were inspired people? They wrote things of which they were not a first hand witness. Is hearsay an inspiration? Please don’t mind; we are discussing to know the truth. I respect your faith.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Sinful scribes were not eyewitnesses of crucifixion

November 16, 2009

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4808&p=80301#p80301

Islam poses no threat to the freedom of thought

ThereIs1Adonai wrote:

The Bible had many writers with revelations that added to the message of God, and they were often eyewitnesses to the events they wrote about.

Hi friend ThereIs1Adonai

I don’t agree with the contents of your post due to following reasons, to start with.

1. Paul never spent anytime with Jesus, he was therefore not an eyewitness; yet his accounts have been included in the Bible for nothing.
2. The theme of the Bible, a human devised theme, is to mention the event of the Cross. None of the four gospel writers was an eyewitness of the event of the crucifixion of Jesus. As per Matthew; they all fled away.
3. Jesus did receive Word of Revelation from the Creator-God Allah YHWH; none of the scribes of NT received any Word from the Creator- God Allah YHWH; they were not capable of receiving it as they were sinful persons. They deserted Jesus when he needed them most.
4. Even the account of the event of the Cross they wrote from hearsay was incorrect; as Jesus never died on Cross, he was though put on the Cross, yet he was delivered from it in a near-dead position. The Creator- God Allah YHWH saved his life like He saved Jonah’s life in a very difficult and odd postion. He was treated in the tomb he was laid in by his trusted friends and when his injuries inflicted on the Cross got healed he migrated to the lost sheep of Israel who were in exile.

Paul and the gospel writers were therefore, in my opinion, not trustworthy persons and Jesus had in effect warned against such persons.

Atheists Agnostics to please join the discussion on this issue believing in God and the Revelation first.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks