Posts Tagged ‘Gethsemane’

Jesus died, at the ripe age of 120 after accomplishment of his mission; respectfully, naturally and peacefully and is said to be buried in a tomb at Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir India

May 15, 2009

Collin Messer says:

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/is-it-paul%e2%80%99s-or-jesus%e2%80%99-christianity/#comments

Paarsurrey

It seems to me that you are saying that because Paul and the other apostles/disciples were sinful that their words are meaningless?

First of all, all scripture is “God breathed”, meaning that it is inerrant and in line with God’s will.

If I am wrong in my assumption then I apologize and maybe you could clarify for me.

Collin

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Collin Messer

Thank you for visiting my blog and commenting here. You are always welcome to comment; even if your comments are differing with me; it adds to our knowledge and friendship anyway. Please feel free to express yourself fully.

I respect your faith.

I don’t mean that because Paul and the other apostles/disciples were sinful so their words always have to be meaningless; yet what you would do if their words are actually found to have no divine credulity. We cannot take everything they said to be divine or for granted.

I don’t see any merit in them to describe that whatever they wrote in their scriptures was “God breathed”. Jesus never said that whatever these disciples said is to be believed truthful. Even before Jesus himself, they said things which Jesus did not like. They were supposed to be faithful with Jesus that is why they are called disciples; but they deserted him when he needed them; they fled away from the scene of the Cross.

Later these deserters and unfaithful people came up with stories, eulogizing Jesus; why should we accept such stories and fables without scrutinizing them. Why should we become blind; when we can see through the things with the God gifted wisdom? We can apprehend the game they played with Jesus. Why should be we tight lipped about them; while they did things totally against Jesus’ wishes? We should expose trickery of Paul and the sinful scribes, if we are with Jesus. At least I would side with Jesus.

When God Allah YHWH heard the prayers of Jesus done at the garden called Gethsemane; and saved Jesus life, and Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross. When Jesus got cured of his injuries in Joseph Arimathea’s tomb he was laid, he slipped away secretly towards India along with Mary. He was disgusted with these so called disciples; and did not take them along.

So they perhaps made up the stories disgusted, in shame and frustration.

I doubt God ever breathed anything in their ears. It was Paul who whispered, conspired and eavesdropped foul things into their ears. Moreover one could see many things in their writings where they erred undoubtedly and talked against the will of God and very much out of line; how and why should we declare them inerrant?

Paul and his associates took liberty as Jesus was not present there; he had gone to fulfill his mission assigned to him by God Allah YHWH; and he accomplished that mission successfully. Later Jesus died there respectfully, naturally and peacefully at the age of about 120 years as they say; and is buried in a tomb at Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir India.

I think this helps. This is what I believe sincerely.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

One must side with Jesus and his Lord, instead of siding with those who were out there to kill him

April 30, 2009

fgenej11 says:

Otherwise you are rejecting Jesus’ death on the cross and God’s provision for anyone to come into His Kingdom.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend fgenej11

Since Jesus prayed to his Lord, God Allah YHWH, as an obedient servant of Him in the garden called Gethsemane fervently to save his life; Jesus also asked his disciples to join him praying for his life from God Allah YHWH, though, the disciples could not remain awake to pray for him yet Jesus was so much concerned for his life and feared that he might have to suffer on the Cross, that he could not rest during the night and persisted with his prayers and supplications to his Lord and their Lord God Allah YHWH.

Now, when Jesus’ Lord heard prayers of the innocent Jesus; it would not be appropriate to deny it. Jesus’ truthful followers now would be extremely thankless people if they think that prayers of Jesus were not heard by his Creator Lord God Allah YHWH. Please side with Jesus and his Lord, instead of siding with those who were out there to kill him. Even if one is sinful, one is supposed to support this truth that Jesus did not die and could not die on the Cross.

Were Jesus’ prayers futile? Was Jesus a sinful person that his prayers were not heard by his Lord? If his prayers full of tears on his cheeks while in agony on the Cross could not be accepted; then that is not a good role model for his followers. Wouldn’t they trust Jesus and his lord? What for they pray now if the prayers of their master were rejected in the first place? It won’t be a good example, I think. Please don’t embarrass Jesus.

What is the provision of God’s Kingdom; if He could not save from the hands of Jews, Jesus life on the Cross? It tantamount to denying Jesus’ innocence and his submission, as also his belief in his Lord God’s Kingdom coming to earth, of which he spoke often, but could not manifest it in the open reality at the time of need.

If you reflect, you would realize that Jesus escaped a cursed death on Cross; his Lord, God Allah YHWH manifested His Kingdom and rule on the world; He provided refuge to the poor Jesus and his mother in a land of rest and tranquility and full of fountains and a lofty place. Jesus traveled in the Kingdom of God Allah YHWH from the cruel region of Judea to a peaceful region in Kashmir, India.

I think it is reasonable and not difficult to understand; yet there is no compulsion. Please think on these lines. I respect your faith.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


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