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Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

May 17, 2019

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https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-6#post-6106497

#109paarsurrey

Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

I started this thread with simple questions:
Bahaullah got married with his third wife, Gawhar Khanum:

  1. who did solemnize this marriage?
  2. and on what tradition?
  3. It sure happened in the post Iqan period.

It is important to ascertain the religion Bahaullah himself followed till then.

Later with some research on internet about Gawhar Khanum- third wife of Bahaullah, I find some startling things about Bahaullah and his relationship with Gawhar Khanum :

  1. “Bahaullah’s third marriage was contracted when he lived in Baghdad. Although details are sketchy, it seems that relatives of Bahaullah arranged the marriage in Kashan, Persia, where the woman, Gawhar Khanum lived. She was then sent with her brother to Bahaullah in Baghdad. This arrangement was meant to honor both Bahaullah and Gawhar Khanum. For Bahaullah to have refused her hand in marriage would have been highly disrespectful to those involved and especially damaging to the woman’s reputation.”
  2. “Bahá’u’lláh also married Gawhar Khánum, a widow of a martyr. Her age was not known, the couple also only had one child; Furúghíyyih. Gawhar Khánum was a maid to Ásíyih Khánum.”

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It seems Bahaullah and his followers suppressed information about Gawhar Khanum and as to how Bahaullah unjustly and inhumanly dealt with her.

The above information suggests following questions/apprehensions:

  1. Gawhar Khánum was a maid to Ásíyih Khánum, how come Bahaullah established relationship with Gawhar Khánum?
  2. If the relationship was disrespectful to Gawhar Khánum, why it was not disrespectful to the other party , namely, Bahaullah?
  3. Why Gawhar Khánum’s brother had to intervene in the matter and had to ask Bahaullah to regularize it?
  4. Later when the baby-girl was of 2/3 years of age or even less, why did Bahaullah desert Gawhar Khánum and her little child to live with her (Gawhar Khánum’s) brother?
  5. What provisions did Bahaullah make for the upbringing of the baby-girl and Gawhar Khánum while they lived with her brother.
  6. Was Gawhar Khánum forced to become a Bahai?
  7. Later Gawhar Khánum and her girl-child from Bahaullah were excommunicated to deprive them their rights in Bahaullah’s property/inheritance ?

Were all the above acts just and humane, please?

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“God Passes By”

May 10, 2019

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https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-5#post-6098683

“God Passes By”

#87paarsurrey

What is this God that has passed by?
Does it means death of Bahaullah?

Anybody, please

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“God sends His Messengers in each age God choose to do so.”

#89paarsurrey

How does that one get from the words “God passes by”? I am asking because English is not my mother-tongue.

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#91paarsurrey

We change the phrase “God passes by” with “Tom* passes by” or “Tom passed away”, what will this/these new phrases mean, please?

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*Tom, Dick and Harry

 

Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

May 7, 2019

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https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/page-4#post-6094384

#65 paarsurrey

One has “revealed” many good clues in one’s post about the self-assumed title of “Bahaullah” and Shoghi Effendi and their craftiness becomes evident. I find many such examples of it inter-woven in the Iqan “The Book of Certitude”. Right, please?

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Is it humane on Bahaullah’s part, please?

May 5, 2019

Paarsurrey wrote:

While I read Kitab-i-Iqan, Bahaullah  aged married with Gawhar Khánum aged   , a Muslim,in Baghdad and deserted her with a daughter of 2/3 years age unsupported while he left Baghdad. She had to stay with her brother there.

Later she was excommunicated by Shoghi Effendi , a reputed Bahai-“Guradian” as they say . She was Twelver Muslim.

Was it a humane act, please?

Thread open equally for Bahais and Non-Bahais, of a Religion or with No-Relgion, a Jew or Non-Jew, please.

 

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Notes:

The information about Gawhar Khánum seems to have been suppressed by the Bahaullah’s followers so not much is known about her or her daughter. Any further information any quatres is welcome here.

Wives of Baha’u’llah Gawhar Khánum: married in Baghdád; died during the Ministry of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá; one child. She and her daughter both broke the Covenant after the Ascension of Bahá’u’lláh. See God Passes By, chapter 15.

https://bahai-library.com/uhj_wives_bahaullah

 

#3  Baha’u’llah married Gawhar in 1862, before his “declaration,” which Baha’is say happened in 1863 (though E.G. Browne dates it later). In either case, this was when he was still a self-proclaimed follower of the Bab, yet the Bab only allowed his followers to have two wives simultaneously.

Bāb makes it clear that only one wife is allowed under normal circumstances (8:2). None of the special circumstances were present in the case of Bahāʾuʿllah, so in reality, he was transgressing against the Bāb’s laws when he took his second wife, and doing it again with Gawhar. His first wife was not infertile.

When Bahaullah got married with Gawhar Khanum- his third wife, who did solemnize this marriage and on what tradition, please?

Gawhar Khánum: married in Baghdád; died during the Ministry of ‘Abdu’l-Bahá; one child. She and her daughter both broke the Covenant after the Ascension of Bahá’u’lláh. See God Passes By, chapter 15. Gawhar was Bahá’u’lláh’s third wife. They are said to have married in Baghdad some time before he declared his mission. When Bahá’u’lláh left Baghdad in 1863 she and her daughter stayed and lived with her brother Mirza Mihdiy-i-Kashani.

In Baghdad he married Gawhar Khanum (the latter appears to have been a pro forma temporary marriage [mut`ah] of a sort required of Shi`ite law where a man had a live-in maid, and Gawhar Khanum had been brought into the household in the Shi`ite Karkh district in order to serve Asiyih Khanum). He had only one child, a daughter, with Gawhar Khanum). Bahá’u’lláh’s eldest son and vicar, `Abdu’l-Bahá, later interpreted the Most Holy Book to require monogamy. Bahá’u’lláh had altogether fourteen children from his three wives, including four daughters. Five of his sons predeceased him. As noted, he appointed his eldest son, `Abdu’l-Bahá, as his successor and the official interpreter of his religion after his death, and he also provided for the election of local houses of justice and a world- wide Universal House of Justice to govern community affairs. Bahá’u’lláh died of a fever in `Akka on 29 May 1892, at the age of 74 (Qazvini, tr., pp.. 45-65; Dahaji, pp. 285-91; further biographical details in Balyuzi, Bahá’u’lláh King of Glory, passim).

https://bahai-library.com/cole_encyclopedia_bahaullah

His third wife was Gawhar Khánum and the marriage occurred in Baghdad sometime before 1863.[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bah%C3%A1%27u%27ll%C3%A1h

Bahá’u’lláh also married Gawhar Khánum, a widow of a martyr. Her age was not known, the couple also only had one child; Furúghíyyih. Gawhar Khánum was a maid to Ásíyih Khánum. Bahá’u’lláh had fourteen children, only seven of whom lived to adulthood. Bahá’u’lláh and His first wife Navváb were known as the Father of the Poor and the Mother of Consolation for their extraordinary generosity and regard for the impoverished. [4]

Spouse(s) Navváb (1835-1882)
Mahd-i-‘Ulyá (1849-1892)
Gawhar Khánum (?-1892)

 

https://bahaipedia.org/Bah%C3%A1%E2%80%99u%E2%80%99ll%C3%A1h

Lady Blomfield (1956). The Chosen Highway.

https://bahaipedia.org/Bah%C3%A1%E2%80%99u%E2%80%99ll%C3%A1h

Bahaullah’s third marriage was contracted when he lived in Baghdad. Although details are sketchy, it seems that relatives of Bahaullah arranged the marriage in Kashan, Persia, where the woman, Gawhar Khanum lived. She was then sent with her brother to Bahaullah in Baghdad. This arrangement was meant to honor both Bahaullah and Gawhar Khanum. For Bahaullah to have refused her hand in marriage would have been highly disrespectful to those involved and especially damaging to the woman’s reputation.

Both of these marriages were contracted well within the bounds of Islamic Law. Both occurred before Bahai marriage law was revealed by Abdul Baha and further elucidated by Abdul-Baha.

Page 293-294

The Story of Baha’u’llah: Promised One of All Religions

https://books.google.ca/books?isbn=1931847134

Before 1863               Bahá’u’lláh Marriage to Gawhar Khánum she stayed in Baghdád with brother                                                Mirá Mihdíy-i- Káshání then Mosul then Akká Daughter Furúghíyyih                                                Covenant Breaker + mother

Bahá’í Timeline

www.edpsycinteractive.org/religion/bahai/verities/rtf/timeln14.rtf

The third wife, Gawhar Khanum, was not known by any other title. Her dates of birth, marriage and death are not known. Her marriage took place some time in Baghdad before the declaration of Baha’u’llah’s Mission. While Navvab and Mahd-i-‘Ulya travelled with Him in all His exiles, Gawhar Khanum remained in Baghdad with her brother, Mirza Mihdiy-i-Kashani.[1] For some years she was among the Baha’i refugees in Mosul,[2] and later went to Akka at Baha’u’llah’s instruction. She gave birth to one daughter, Furughiyyih; mother and daughter both became Covenant-breakers after the passing of Baha’u’llah.

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Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

May 3, 2019

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https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/#post-6090073

#17 paarsurrey

“In summary, the Bāb allows bigamy but only if the original spouse is infertile.”

It becomes clear, as I understand, that Bab allowed only two wives for his followers and Bahaullah defied it two times.

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#26 paarsurrey

“Perchance that this child is a leaf from the leaves of Paradise, should he give his faith to He Whom God shall make manifest; otherwise, he will turn into the leaves of the Fire.” Unquote from Bab.

@Komori! what is one’s understanding of “He Whom God shall make manifest” as told by Bab, please.

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#27 paarsurrey

A good summation, indeed!
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Bahaullah: Gawhar Khanum

May 2, 2019

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https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/bahaullah-gawhar-khanum.220335/

#1 paarsurrey

Bahaullah got married with his third wife, Gawhar Khanum:

  1. who did solemnize this marriage?
  2. and on what tradition?
  3. It sure happened in the post Iqan period.

It is important to ascertain the religion Bahaullah himself followed till then.

Thread open to everybody believing in a religion or no-religion.

Regards

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#9 paarsurrey

Please provide a reference from Bab instructing his followers to have two wives only.
Thanks for the input.

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#16  paarsurrey

“you’ve (the Bahaullah’s followers friends here) only studied what your Bahāʾī leaders have allowed to be translated and distributed to the masses. Are you not fluent in Arabic or Persian?”

While I study Iqan:

  1. the way Shoghi Effendi has indulged with translation of some Quranic verses,
  2. and he has given hardly any viable references of many Hadith/tradition mentioned by Bahaullah
  3. and some friends have given passages from Gleanings, without Shoghi Effendi giving reference of the original books in Farsi and or Arabic, and when asked about them he stated inability to provide them with the pretext that he had forgotten/does not remember from which original book he had translated them .

I also reached the conclusion/apprehension that Shoghi Effendi developed the agenda only to give access to the English speaking followers that suited to his own vested whims.
So the English speaking converts only have half truths.
No surprise if a follower is not aware of the teaching of Bab, whom Bahaullah followed, during his 50 years as a convert!
Right, please?

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