Posts Tagged ‘Exodus’

Judaism: Book of Exodus neither written by Moses nor dictated by him

May 30, 2015

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Post #5

Paarsurrey wrote:

So many mights for a “holy scripture” make it a bad scripture.
Am I right?

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The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them.

May 27, 2015

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Post #162

Paarsurrey wrote:

It is a wrong concept that Jews were any chosen people if they did wrong.

The Jewry of the time of Moses was summoned at the foot of the Mountain not to reward them. YHWH was not happy with them but to show them His displeasure.

Exodus 16:2
1 Then they set out from Elim, and all the congregation of the sons of Israel came to the wilderness of Sin, which is between Elim and Sinai, on the fifteenth day of the second month after their departure from the land of Egypt. 2 The whole congregation of the sons of Israel grumbled against Moses and Aaron in the wilderness. 3 The sons of Israel said to them, “Would that we had died by the LORD’S hand in the land of Egypt, when we sat by the pots of meat, when we ate bread to the full; for you have brought us out into this wilderness to kill this whole assembly with hunger.”…

The Jews were not worthy of direct converse with YHWH.

The present Jews should understand and ask forgiveness of YHWH.

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Did G-d have direct conversation with the Jewry?

May 26, 2015

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Post #155

Friend Tumah quoted Deuteronomy – Chapter 4:12 to prove that G-d spoke directly to the Israelite nation as a whole.

Deuteronomy does not supersede the points given in Exodus. Deuteronomy cannot change the event as narrated in Exodus, as the event was just happening at that time. Deuteronomy was exhortation addresses of what had already happened.

The points mentioned by me about Exodus Chapters 19, 20 in my post # 21 <Judaism: no mass revelation of G-d with Jews mentioned in Exodus Chapter 19 and 20 | Page 2 | ReligiousForums.com>, therefore, remain still valid.

The text of the chapters 19,20 of Exodus indicates that:
• neither the people went up the mountain (only Moses and Aaron went as per the text) none other went,
• nor YHWH descended to the masses to talk with them directly,
• the masses were afraid of the YHWH lest He wreaks at them. (What chosen people they , the Jews, claim to be?)
• there was a barricade for the Jews, they could no cross it.
• The conversation was between YHWH and Moses in direct manner up at the mountain.
• It is therefore evident that the communication was indirectly conveyed to masses by Moses.

That proves my point.

Moses wanted to save the Jewish people from the iniquities they could perform in future. The Jews disobeyed Moses and as a people acted against the commandments given to them through Moses by God as mentioned in Deuteronomy.
Instead of being a select people, the Jews became the worst people.

This chapter four of Deuteronomy served as a future charge-sheet given to the Jews by Moses himself.

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Jesus was not Son of God: Usage of Old Testament

November 24, 2009

Jesus was not Son of God: Usage of Old Testament
http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=81467#p81467

Hi friends

The Christians say that Jesus was told in Torah and the Gospels as son of god hence he was son of God, literally.
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This is wrong and is against the usage of Torah and the Gospel as in them these words have not been used for Jesus exclusively but these words have been used hundreds of time for other men also and the Christians don’t admit hem as son of god. Jesus was mentioned a s son of god so it has been mentioned for others

Examples:

Exodus 4:22.
And thou shalt say to him: Thus saith the Lord: Israel is my son, my firstborn. Israel is my son, my firstborn.
Psalms 88:21-26
21 I have found David my servant: with my holy oil I have anointed him. 22 For my hand shall help him: and my arm shall strengthen him. 23 The enemy shall have no advantage over him: nor the son of iniquity have power to hurt him. 24 And I will cut down his enemies before his face; and them that hate him I will put to flight. 25 And my truth and my mercy shall be with him: and in my name shall his horn be exalted.
26 And I will set his hand in the sea; and his right hand in the rivers. 27 He shall cry out to me: Thou art my father: my God, and the support of my salvation. 28 And I will make him my firstborn, high above the kings of the earth.
So, in the usage of Bible all righteous and loved – ones of God have been mentioned as son of god; nothing special for Jesus.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

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