Posts Tagged ‘eternal’

Is it rational to think evolution is eternal?

October 27, 2017

Thread: “Why some people reject evolution ” Forum: Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Science and Religion

Post 80: 
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You are missing the point. Just because one can understand a process without including intelligence being involved, does not mean intelligence is not involved.

Wrong again. I understand completely. You are simply adding in an unnecessary element for no reason other than to fit some non rational, faith based belief.

The process itself works without inserting ghosts, or goblins, or gods. No magic required, so why inject it?

some non rational

Paarsurrey wrote:

Isn’t it more or most irrational to believe that evolution is eternal, please? There must be a time/stage when it got going. Right, please?
If it could start off at a time/stage, then it could cease at a time/stage, rationally,please. Right, please?
Evolution is OK, but it is not eternal. Right,please?


Attributes of God mentioned in Quran

April 21, 2014
Mirza Bashir Ahmad

Mirza Bashir Ahmad

Islam says that we have One God Who is Gracious—i.e., He takes care of all our needs and He provides us with our requirements without our asking or striving for them. Islam says that we have One God Who is Merciful—i.e., He produces the best reward for our efforts and does not let them go in vain.

Islam says that we have One God Who is the ‘Lord of the Day of Judgment’—i.e., He pronounces reward or punishment for our deeds. He warns us of the consequences of following the wrong path, so that we do not become heedless and forget the goal of our life that He has ordained for us. One day we will be held answerable before Him.

Islam says that we have One God Who is Most Forgiving—i.e., when we strive in His path, He forgives our mistakes and shortcomings and protects us from their ill consequences.

Islam says that we have One God Who is the Acceptor of repentance—i.e., when we feel true remorse for our sins and turn towards the right path with true sincerity and wholeheartedly pledge to get rid of consequences of sins and to do good deeds, God too comes to our help, accepts our repentance and covers our sins with His mercy.

Islam says that we have One God Who is All-Powerful—i.e., nothing is beyond His power, no matter how difficult or impossible it may seem to us. Islam says that we have One God Who is All-Hearing—i.e., He hears the call of everyone and there is no voice that does not reach Him.

Islam says that we have a God Who is All-Knowing—i.e., no deed or thought, whether overt or covert, is beyond the sphere of His knowledge. Islam says that we have One God Who is the Helper—i.e., at times of crisis and difficulty, He comes to our aid, provided we have a true relationship with Him.

Islam says that we have One God Who is Eternal—i.e., He has always been and shall always be; time does not have any effect on Him. Islam says that we have One God Who is the Most Majestic —i.e., He is the perfect blend of all that is perfect and all that is good, and He alone is worthy of our adoration.

Islam says that we have One God Who is very Loving—i.e., He loves those who establish personal communion with Him, and He shows more love and loyalty towards them than any other lover. Islam says that we have One God Who Speaks—i.e., He bestows His speech upon those who have established communion with Him.

Though He is the knows of all subtleties and invisible to our eyes, He sprinkles the pure water of his loving speech upon those whose hearts are ablaze with the fire of His love, lest it should burn them to ashes. How beautifully the Promised Messiah(as) (Founder of the Ahmadiyya Muslim Jama‘at) has said:

‘But for Your grace, I would have perished and turned to dust; God knows where this dust might, then, have been thrown.’

This is the God presented by Islam. I do not ask you to believe in Him. All I say is that these are the attributes of our God as proclaimed by Islam. Islam goes further and proclaims that we can find this God if we seek and strive for Him. Do you now consider this search and investigation to be useless and irrelevant? If you have a mind that ponders and a sensitive heart, you will never consider this quest futile.

Pages 23-25
“Our God” by Mirza Bashir Ahmad

Hell is not eternal; it is like a hospital where sins get cured

January 29, 2014

Please view the following comments with the comments in the context:

paarsurrey says:
January 29, 2014 at 19:40
We understand from Quran/Islam/Muhammad that hell is not eternal; it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.

makagutu says:
January 29, 2014 at 20:57
it is like a hospital where they get cured from their sins.
How do you even entertain such a thought in your head?
paarsurrey says:
January 29, 2014 at 21:30
@ makagutu
It is not my thought; we believe it on the basis of Quran/Islam/Muhammad.
Please read the following Q&A:
Q How long will a person remain in Heaven or Hell?
A Paradise is ever lasting.
Hell is like a hospital where patients are kept for a limited time to be cured of their spiritual ailments. They would be transferred to Heaven after having been cured of their spiritual diseases. Hell is thus for a limited period of time.

paarsurrey says:
January 30, 2014 at 00:24
@ makagutu :January 29, 2014 at 22:36
“Please read the following questions
1. When did heaven and hell come to be?
2. Why were they necessary?
3. Where are they?”
1. The concept of Heaven and the Hell came into exist when the One-True-God willed to create man.
2. The concept of Junnah (or heaven) came into existence to reward those who do good deed; and hell is its opposite pole.
3. These are spiritual concepts (not material) and hence don’t require any place in the Universe.
For further information, please:

Vedas | Quran

May 22, 2013

I have written following posts on my favourite discussion forum; the topic is The Vedas and the Qur’an – Uncreated” <>; one could view the same and comment there or in this blog “ Paarsurrey”, my pleasure.

Paarsurrey says:

#2 We Muslims don’t believe that everything written in the Vedas is in the pristine original form; though Truth could be found in the Vedas and other Word revealed before Quran. We don’t reject them.

#5 Please elaborate as to what do you mean by this. Vedas existed before man existed or before man was able to speak?

#6 Yes knowledge is an attribute of the one true God; hence it is eternal with Him. All attributes of the one true God are eternal and not separable from Him.

But I don’t agree that Vedas are eternal; the knowledge of the one true God is with Him he reveals through the perfect men of a time only that is required by the human beings for guidance in ethical, moral and spiritual realms.

[15:22] And there is not a thing but with Us are the treasures thereof and We send it not down except in a known measure.

Those who believe in Vedas; should tell the time , place and the man on whom a particular Veda was revealed. Now we are not talking in terms of abstractions but in concrete terms; please.

#9 In fact I had already answered the question in post #6 above, and I again mention the reply from Quran:

[15:22] And there is not a thing but with Us are the treasures thereof and We send it not down except in a known measure.

 #12     There are two distinct phenomena.
1. The knowledge of the one true God; he is All-Knowing and none can know better than him as he has created everything in the universe and beyond it; that knowledge is absolute and it is not possible for the humans to know that; our brains don’t have the capacity to know that all. Quran mention it:

[18:110] Say, ‘If the ocean became ink for the words of my Lord, surely, the ocean would be exhausted before the words of my Lord came to an end, even though We brought the like thereof as further help.’
[18:111] Say, ‘I am only a man like yourselves; but I have received the revelation that your God is only One God. So let him who hopes to meet his Lord do good deeds, and let him join no one in the worship of his Lord.’

Like knowledge, wisdom is also an attribute of Him; the All-Wise one true God therefore reveals on His prophets messengers only to the extent which is appropriate for that time; it is wisdom not withholding of any knowledge. The verse already quoted by me in this connection may please be referred <[15:22] And there is not a thing but with Us are the treasures thereof and We send it not down except in a known measure.>.


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Heaven is eternal and everlasting; hell is not, relatively

March 18, 2013

GaryWhite Said:

Please see his comments on my post:

“Buddhist hell is really an interesting topic. Specifically the Japanese Buddhists believed that there were different layers of hell that you went to depending on how bad you were. There was one layer that you just sat in puss, another layer you would get chopped up and eaten by devils. In the case of the demon eaters (which is what they were called) the demons were also in hell. According to Buddhists in Japan hell was not eternal and it was possible to work of your evil deeds in hell and ascend to heaven.

paarsurrey Says:

The founders of a revealed religion who had a Converse with the one true creator God and received Word of Revelation from Him like Buddha, their follower, split in a score of denominations; the followers don’t necessarily believe what the founders believed in.

Buddha’s concept of hell as I quoted from him is very reasonable that is the reason of its being similar to as per Quran. The similarities of revealed religions, if seen closely, denote that they were from the same source i.e., from the one true creator God.

The differences of denominations indicate to us the history as to how their followers changed the teachings of the original founder. Buddha’s teachings either have been misunderstood by their followers or decayed due to the time factor.
It is also reasonable to believe that hell is not eternal in the same sense as heaven is eternal; hell is like a hospital where the wrong-doers will get opportunity to get cured from their sins or wrong thoughts; and ultimately its inmates will come out like a child comes out the womb of a mother when it is due to be delivered.

Quran also gives us a hint on it:

[101:7] Then, as for him whose scales are heavy,
[101:8] He will have a pleasant life.
[101:9] But as for him whose scales are light,
[101:10] Hell will be his nursing mother.