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Jesus died, at the ripe age of 120 after accomplishment of his mission; respectfully, naturally and peacefully and is said to be buried in a tomb at Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir India

May 15, 2009

Collin Messer says:

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/05/14/is-it-paul%e2%80%99s-or-jesus%e2%80%99-christianity/#comments

Paarsurrey

It seems to me that you are saying that because Paul and the other apostles/disciples were sinful that their words are meaningless?

First of all, all scripture is “God breathed”, meaning that it is inerrant and in line with God’s will.

If I am wrong in my assumption then I apologize and maybe you could clarify for me.

Collin

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Collin Messer

Thank you for visiting my blog and commenting here. You are always welcome to comment; even if your comments are differing with me; it adds to our knowledge and friendship anyway. Please feel free to express yourself fully.

I respect your faith.

I don’t mean that because Paul and the other apostles/disciples were sinful so their words always have to be meaningless; yet what you would do if their words are actually found to have no divine credulity. We cannot take everything they said to be divine or for granted.

I don’t see any merit in them to describe that whatever they wrote in their scriptures was “God breathed”. Jesus never said that whatever these disciples said is to be believed truthful. Even before Jesus himself, they said things which Jesus did not like. They were supposed to be faithful with Jesus that is why they are called disciples; but they deserted him when he needed them; they fled away from the scene of the Cross.

Later these deserters and unfaithful people came up with stories, eulogizing Jesus; why should we accept such stories and fables without scrutinizing them. Why should we become blind; when we can see through the things with the God gifted wisdom? We can apprehend the game they played with Jesus. Why should be we tight lipped about them; while they did things totally against Jesus’ wishes? We should expose trickery of Paul and the sinful scribes, if we are with Jesus. At least I would side with Jesus.

When God Allah YHWH heard the prayers of Jesus done at the garden called Gethsemane; and saved Jesus life, and Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross. When Jesus got cured of his injuries in Joseph Arimathea’s tomb he was laid, he slipped away secretly towards India along with Mary. He was disgusted with these so called disciples; and did not take them along.

So they perhaps made up the stories disgusted, in shame and frustration.

I doubt God ever breathed anything in their ears. It was Paul who whispered, conspired and eavesdropped foul things into their ears. Moreover one could see many things in their writings where they erred undoubtedly and talked against the will of God and very much out of line; how and why should we declare them inerrant?

Paul and his associates took liberty as Jesus was not present there; he had gone to fulfill his mission assigned to him by God Allah YHWH; and he accomplished that mission successfully. Later Jesus died there respectfully, naturally and peacefully at the age of about 120 years as they say; and is buried in a tomb at Mohallah Khanyar, Sirinagar, Kashmir India.

I think this helps. This is what I believe sincerely.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The exaggerated accounts of the NTBible

June 17, 2008

 

tree63fan Says:
June 16, 2008 at 3:11 pm   

 

Hi again,

I am curious what reason you have for “knowing” the NTBible accounts are exaggerated? I wasn’t there to watch things unfold, and historical and archaelogical references all match up with everything that has been uncovered to date. I have found no reason to doubt the NT accounts as they are written. Also, what information do you have that the scribes were not the disciples or not friends who were dicating what the disciples told them to write (as they claim in some instances)? Many of the disciples were not educated, therefore could not write. The educated, like Luke who was a doctor, could write for themselves. The differences in the accounts are actually something that helps to validate the writings, NOT invalidate. It would be far more fishy if all the gospel accounts said EXACTLY the same thing. When many people witness the same events, there are always slightly differing accounts of what occurred. The Gospels follow this pattern.
Thanks!

 

Paarsurrey replies:

 

Hi tree63fan!

 

I respect your faith; one could have any faith as a human being and I have no objection to that, I would only respect and love the man inside.

I would like to quote here,for the time being, from the PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 that the accounts of the NTBible written by scribes are exaggerated; and I think it would be interesting for you.

Therefore, there is no doubt that Jesus was not crucified, i.e., he did not die on the Cross, for his personality did not deserve the underlying consequence of death on the Cross. Not having been crucified, he was spared the impure implications of a curse, and no doubt it also proves that he did not go to heaven, for going to heaven formed part of this whole scheme and was a consequence of the idea of his having been crucified. Therefore, when it is proved that he was neither accursed, nor did he go to hell for three days, nor did he suffer death the other part of the scheme, namely, that he went to heaven, is proved to be wrong. On this point the Bible has more evidence which I proceed to state below. There is the statement of Jesus: ‘But after I am risen again, I will go before you into Galilee’ (Matthew: chapter 26, verse 32). This verse clearly shows that Jesus, after he had come out of the tomb, went to Galilee and not to heaven. Jesus’ words ‘After I am risen’ do not mean his rising up alive after he was dead; rather, as in the eyes of the Jews and the common people he had died on the Cross, he used words beforehand consistent with what they were to think of him in the future, and indeed, the man who was placed on the Cross, in whose hands and feet nails had been driven till he had fainted from pain, had become as good as dead; if such a man was saved from such a calamity and if he recovered his senses it would not be an exaggeration on his part to say that he had come to life again. There is no doubt that after so much suffering, Jesus’ escape from death was a miracle; it was no ordinary event. But to think that he had died is wrong. It is true that in the books of the New Testament words of this kind occur, but this is a mistake of the writers of those books, just as they had committed mistakes in recording several other historical events. Commentators who have made researches into these books admit that the books of the New Testament have two parts: (1) the spiritual instruction received by the disciples from Jesus (peace be on him) which is the essence of the teachings of the Gospel; (2) historical events — like the genealogy of Jesus; his arrest and his being beaten; the existence in his time of a miraculous pond, etc. These, the writers recorded by themselves; they were not revealed; rather, they were set down in accordance with the writer’s own ideas. In some places there are undue exaggerations, as where it is stated that if all the miracles and works of Jesus were recorded in books, the earth would not be able to accommodate these books. How exaggerated is this statement!
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch1.html

I like your comments;kindly keep in touch. Please treat it only as a friendly discussion not as a contentious debate. God bless you!

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


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