Posts Tagged ‘confident’

The true religion invites comparison

May 6, 2013

There is an interesting discussion on the above topic initiated by Gram28 on one of my favorite discussion forums http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/  @http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/general-religious-debates/146855-true-religion-invites-comparison-8.html

Originally Posted by Gram28I believe that the one true religion will embrace the spirit of freedom of religion and freedom to choose, confident that it will win out. Those of a false religion will tend to erect laws forbidding the free exchange of literature and freedom to practice it- thus indicating their falsity. Now look at the countries of particular concern and decide for yourself which religion(s) is subconsciously proclaiming itself false while claiming that it’s true and will take over the world.

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

The sentence in the bolds describes Islam.

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

This is incorrect. The Quran says that those who believe in God, the angels, the messengers, and the last day, will have their reward with god. This does away with alot of eastern religion. The Quran also states that god hates the unbelievers. This does away with every religion but Islam. The Hadith separates man into two camps, the believers, or Ummah, and the unbelievers, the kafir. So how exactly does Islam foster the spirit of religious tolerance, and the freedom to choose one’s religion? Even though the Quran says that Jews and Christians are basically the same as Muslims, they are highly persecuted in predominantly Islamic nations. So please explain how your statement is true.

 

 

Originally Posted by paarsurrey

Please quote the specific verse of Quran; that may clarify your point.

 

Originally Posted by dyanaprajna2011

4:136, 2:62, 5:69. Those are the ones off the top of my head. But why do you ask what verses I spoke of-surely you know your own book better than I do.

 

Paarsurrey says:

I take the first reference mentioned by dyanaprajna2011 and give it here with one verse preceding and one verse following for the context:

[4:136] O ye who believe! be strict in observing justice, and be witnesses for Allah, even though it be against yourselves or against parents and kindred. Whether he be rich or poor, Allah is more regardful of them both than you are. Therefore follow not low desires so that you may be able to act equitably. And if you conceal the truth or evade it, then remember that Allah is well aware of what you do.
[4:137] O ye who believe! believe in Allah and His Messenger, and in the Book which He has revealed to His Messenger, and the Book which He revealed before it. And whoso disbelieves in Allah and His angels, and His Books, and His Messengers, and the Last Day, has surely strayed far away.
[4:138] Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

I don’t think the verse is in any way against other religions; to me, other religions are not even remotely mentioned in the verse or in the verses in the context.

Will one kindly justify one’s viewpoint from the verse 4:136/137?

 

One may like to follow the discussion on the discussion forum< http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/ > or here in the blog paarsurrey; just for understanding and for benefit of the general public a charitable cause.

 

 

Claims of what Jesus or Mary did or did not believe with its reasons

January 24, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4997&p=92217#p92217

Brendalee wrote:

paarsurrey: Kindly provide proof ..that “Jesus and Mary” did not believe in the trinity.

paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend brendalee

You know it is written in your NTBible that Jesus came to fulfill Moses’ teachings; Jesus and Mary were Jews followers of Moses. Moses never believed in any Trinity; (So Jesus and Mary never had to believe in any Trinity).

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

Brendalee wrote:

Well, firstly it is not MY “NTBible”, and secondly (and I know this will come as a great astonishment to you), I did not ask you what Moses believed, did I? Nope, I asked you to PROVE what you claim Jesus or Mary did or did not believe.

I love Isa and Mariam as mentioned in Quran

Thanks

paarsurrey says:

Hi friend brendalee

I don’t know as to why people here generally don’t want to disclose their identity or denomination/faith/religion; perhaps they don’t feel confident on the truth of their stand-point and they prefer to remain a rolling stone, without any identity. Or they might not be sure or confident to defend their denomination/faith/religion with reasonable, rational and logical arguments; well I don’t mind that. I can understand this state of affairs for the Atheists Agnostics as their belief is not natural and firm hence they need to conceal it; never mind.

I would love to prove from Quran being an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim as to the claims of what Jesus or Mary did or did not believe and of their deeds and acts that they both performed.

Please start a separate thread titles “claims of what Jesus or Mary did or did not believe with its reasons “. Now it depends on you to start such a thread, as things here might get jumbled together.

I am waiting for such a thread in the Islam questioned and defended forum.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks


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