Posts Tagged ‘comparative study of religions’

Does everybody get converted to another religion irrationally without a proper principled approach?

April 30, 2014

Richard Carrier a world renowned, author of several books as well as numerous articles online and in print with a Ph.D. in ancient history from Columbia University, he specializes in the modern philosophy of naturalism and humanism, the origins of Christianity, and the intellectual history of Greece and Rome, with particular expertise in ancient philosophy, science and technology. His parents were freethinking Methodists (mother was church secretary). He went to Sunday School and to church on holy days. He got converted to Philosophical Taoist at the tender age of 15 and then got converted Atheist (Secular Humanist) at the age of 21. He is reported to have done Extensive study of philosophy and world religions, formal and informal.

I wanted to inquire about this phenomenon and hence asked him the following question:

“I understand that you were born a Methodist Christian and decided to convert to Taoism at a very tender age of 15 years and then converted to Atheism at the age of 21 years.Under what principled approach you did that on both occasions?”

He replied and I quote from him:

“Taoism, I was converted the same irrational way all religious people are. Leaving Taoism? Reading, study, experience, and application of scientific knowledge and logical reasoning.”
A discussion ensued which could be viewed by accessing the following link.

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/4458#comment-219534

paarsurrey
April 30, 2014 at 2:36 pm (awaiting moderation)

@Richard Carrier : April 30, 2014 at 8:45 am

I don’t agree with you that everybody gets converted to another religion without a proper principled approach, irrationally.

I understand your observation, “There are thousands of false beliefs. We cannot read all their holy books nor should we.”
One could be born in any religion or even without a religion. It is beyond one to decide where to be born. Wherever one is born; that starts one’s journey towards truth.

The tools make easy for one to do a job. It is therefore important for one first to find a tool that gives equal opportunity to every religion to search.

Using a tool and then making a comparative study of religions to find which one, at a given period of time, is the most truthful religion is therefore most reasonable and rational.

I give here one such principle of comparative study of religions which was suggested by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 in the beginning of an essay that was read in a Conference of Great Religions held at Lahore in 1896; and was later published in a book form titled “The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam” translated in many languages of the world.

I give below the principle in precisely his words:

“It is necessary that a claim and the reasons in support of it must be set forth from a revealed book”.
“I consider it essential that everyone who follows a book, believing it to be revealed, should base his exposition upon that book and should not so extend the scope of his advocacy of his faith as if he is compiling a new book.”

Since one changed one’s religion two times without a principled approach; I think one should check again the truthfulness of one’s worldview from the start.

Regards

Criterion of finding truth in religions and non-religions

April 7, 2014

The viewers should access the following link to know the context of the discussion; and only then one should form one’s own sincere and independent opinion.

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/04/02/snapthought-wrested-from-my-hands-by-god/comment-page-1/#comment-6620

paarsurrey says:
April 7, 2014 at :
@(Matt) Brisancian :April 6, 2014

“If you would, please give your criterion for falsifiability of religious texts as either divinely inspired or merely human in origin. However, the criterion cannot be circularly dependent upon the text itself or the author(s).
Your answer will be the beginning of my response.” Unquote

One could be born in any religion or without a religion. It is beyond one to decide where to be born. Wherever one is born; that starts one’s journey to find the truth.

The tools make easy for one to do a job. It is therefore important for one first to find a tool that gives equal opportunity to every religion to search.

Using a tool and then making a comparative study of religions to find which one is the most truthful religion is therefore most reasonable and rational.

I give here a principle of comparative study of religions which was suggested by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 in an essay that was read in a Conference of Great Religions held at Lahore in 1896; and was later published in a book form titled “The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam” translated in many languages of the world.

I give below the principle and its explanation in precisely his words:

“It is necessary that a claim and the reasons in support of it must be set forth from a revealed book”
“I consider it essential that everyone who follows a book, believing it to be revealed, should base his exposition upon that book and should not so extend the scope of his advocacy of his faith as if he is compiling a new book.

As it is my purpose today to establish the merits of the Holy Quran and to demonstrate its excellence, it is incumbent upon me not to state anything which is not comprehended in the Quran and to set forth everything on the basis of its verses and in accord with their meaning and that which might be inferred from them, so that those attending the Conference should encounter no difficulty in carrying out a comparison between the teachings of different religions.”

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad adhered to this principle and answered the five important questions set by the moderators of the Conference:

1. The physical, moral and spiritual states of man
2. The state of man after death.
3. The object of man’s life and the means to its attainment.
4. The operation of the practical ordinances of the Law in this life and the next.
5. Sources of Divine knowledge.

One could access the following link to read the book available online, freely:

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

The Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics don’t have a book to follow. They extol science to find answers to all the questions in the world. Although the questions don’t fall within the scope of science and would overburden it; yet they are open to answer with the condition that they quote some standards text book of science for the claims to answers as also to the reasons given specifying the discipline of science that legitimately deals with it.

Please take your time for your journey of search and as to how the criterion is to be applied. Please read the small book mentioned above; that will provide ready-made solution to many questions that arise.

Wish you good-luck.

Thanks and regards

Finding claims and reasons for Truth: Atheists would first be on the run

March 20, 2014

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/comments/belief/#comment-8857

paarsurrey
MAR 20, 2014 @ 21:43:36

Hi everybody

One could be born in any religion or without a religion. It is beyond one to decide where to be born. Wherever one is born; that starts one’s journey to find the truth. The tools make easy for one to do a job. It is therefore important for one first to find a tool that gives equal opportunity to every religion to search.

Using a tool and then making a comparative study of religions to find which one is the most truthful religion is therefore most reasonable and rational.

I give here a principle of comparative study of religions which was suggested by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad- the Promised Messiah 1835-1908 in an essay that was read in a Conference of Great Religions held at Lahore in 1896; and was later published in a book form titled “The Philosophy of the Teachings of Islam” translated in many languages of the world. I give below the principle and its explanation in his words:

“It is necessary that a claim and the reasons in support of it must be set forth from a revealed book”

“I consider it essential that everyone who follows a book, believing it to be revealed, should base his exposition upon that book and should not so extend the scope of his advocacy of his faith as if he is compiling a new book.

As it is my purpose today to establish the merits of the Holy Quran and to demonstrate its excellence, it is incumbent upon me not to state anything which is not comprehended in the Quran and to set forth everything on the basis of its verses and in accord with their meaning and that which might be inferred from them, so that those attending the Conference should encounter no difficulty in carrying out a comparison between the teachings of different religions.”

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad adhered to this principle and answered the five important questions set by the moderators of the Conference:

1. The physical, moral and spiritual states of man
2. The state of man after death.
3. The object of man’s life and the means to its attainment.
4. The operation of the practical ordinances of the Law in this life and the next.
5. Sources of Divine knowledge.

One could access the following link to read the book available online freely:

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

The Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics don’t have a book to follow. They extol science to find answers to all the questions in the world. Although the questions don’t fall within the scope of science and would overburden it; yet they are open to answer with the condition that they quote some standard text book of science for the claims to the answers as also to the reasons given specifying the relative discipline of science that legitimately deals with it.

Islam fulfills the above Criteria; other revealed religions would find either claims or reasons in their books; not both of them, I think.

The Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics would find none.

No wisdom in leaving a revealed religion to join Atheism, just for convenience

February 26, 2014

Please view paarsurrey’s comments: blog, topic, link below:

“The Calladus Blog” topic “What I believe”
http://calladus.blogspot.ca/

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5736821&postID=1351504333661851099&page=1&token=1393453221002

Paarsurrey says: (still awaiting moderation from the blog owner)

@Calladus : 25/2/14 9:21 PM: 26/2/14 8:07 AM

I was not even implying to that. I know that you are an atheist, not a Christian. My point was that though you studied Christianity intensively and other religions not up-to that level; yet your study of or research of revealed religions was impaired only because you did not have a right tool or principle of comparative study of religions ; and then you all of a sudden decided to become an Atheist, just for convenience.

I had suggested you to read a book “THE PHILOSOPHY OF THE TEACHINGS OF ISLAM” by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah; I again give its link below:

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

This was an essay written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 read at a conference of great religions held at Lahore in the then British India, in the year 1896.

The very first sentence of the essay reads “It is necessary that a claim and the reasons in support of it must be set forth from a revealed book.”

I use to describe it as a “Golden rule for comparative study of revealed religions”; and this principle is explained in the next two pages by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad:

Quote:

“In this auspicious Conference the purpose of which is that those who have been invited to participate in it should expound the merits of their respective religions with reference to the questions that have been formulated. I shall today set forth the merits of Islam. Before I proceed to do so I deem it proper to announce that I have made it obligatory upon myself that whatever I state will be based upon the Holy Quran which is the Word of God Almighty.

I consider it essential that everyone who follows a book, believing it to be revealed, should base his exposition upon that book and should not so extend the scope of his advocacy of his faith as if he is compiling a new book.

As it is my purpose today to establish the merits of the Holy Quran and to demonstrate its excellence, it is incumbent upon me not to state anything which is not comprehended in the Quran and to set forth everything on the basis of its verses and in accord with their meaning and that which might be inferred from them, so that those attending the Conference should encounter no difficulty in carrying out a comparison between the teachings of different religions.

As all those who believe in a revealed book will also confine themselves to statements comprised in their respective revealed books, I shall not make any reference to the traditions of the Holy Prophet, inasmuch as all true traditions are only derived from the Holy Quran which is a perfect book comprehending all other books.

In short this is the day of the manifestation of the glory of the Holy Quran and I humbly beseech God Almighty to assist me in this undertaking. Amin. “ Unquote

Had one known this principle before; I think one’s decision would have been different.

One is welcome to try it now; if one pleases.

What is the correct criterion of comparative study of religions?

February 23, 2014

I wrote following post on the blog: “THE CALLADUS BLOG”: topic “What I believe”:
Link:

http://calladus.blogspot.ca/2010/05/what-i-believe.html
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=5736821&postID=1351504333661851099&page=1&token=1393172192320

paarsurrey said…
Calladus said:19/2/14 4:13 PM

“I started a self-guided course of comparative religion at the age of 32, in 1995.” Unquote

Thanks for your reply.

I appreciate your search for truth; for which you started a self-guided course of comparative religion/s. Naturally, you would have not included Atheism in your study as they (the Atheists) don’t consider that they are a “religion” in any meaning of the world.

Please confirm that you did not include Atheism in your comparative study. Did you? Please.

The second point is ; what principle did you adopt for your comparative study of religions (excluding Atheism)?

What religions did you study, intensively, and from what sources?

I think all above are very reasonable questions.
20/2/14 9:16 AM

Paarsurrey said: (posted but awaiting moderation from Calladus before it is exhibited on that blog)

@Calladus : 22/2/14 7:48 PM

“The “principle” that I started out with in my course of study was that God was real and Jesus is his son.”

We will first discuss you first principle that you have mentioned in you post.

We find that this principle is not valid for other religions; Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses did not mention that Jesus was son of God. So this sentence is not valid as a principle of research or criteria of search into the religion in the absolute sense.

I think with your study of Christianity you would have found that Jesus did not mention that he was a son of God in literal and physical terms in unequivocal words.

So, even Jesus never agreed with this statement or principle. Your study of religions notwithstanding, I think, it is not valid as a measure/standard/criteria of search or research of truth in religion/s.

So, I think, your comparative study of religions does not make a comparison of them, not at all, to find the Truth.

It was a wrong principle so it has in fact no bearing on religion.

Am I reasonable? Please

The Divine Blue Print

November 8, 2008

The comparative study of religions does show us a common phenomenon among them.

1. They have prophecies in their scriptures; they just take them literally while these sometimes or most of the times need interpretations like dreams are interpreted.

2. On the one hand they are anxiously waiting the spiritual person to come as they see in them their own narrow national/sectarian aspirations being realized. The divine Design does not match these aspirations; GodAllahParmesherYHWH only wants the spiritual uplift of a people for which a humble man who loves GodAllahParmesherYHWH is the most suitable.

3. On the other hand the narrow worldly people dislike the Divine Selection and oppose him tooth and nail. Now they reject the Prophecy under one pretext or another.

4. This is the treatment meted out to Jesus by the Jews of his time. They put him on Cross for nothing. Jesus had to migrate from such cruel worldly people and he came to India where the inhabitants were already waiting for him according to their own Buddhist and Hindu scriptures.

5. This is what happened to Krishna. Again this is what happened to Moses and Socrates etc.

6. It is yet another story; that the followers of Paul-an enemy of Jesus, created a myth out of his historic and real person and made him God and Son of God and what not.

This is what I believe with reasonable arguments; others are under no compulsion to agree with me.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Hinduism : salvation—which the Arya Samaj refer to as mukti—becomes impossible to attain

October 29, 2008

Is Mukti A Myth?

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/showthread.php?p=1116831#post1116831

Paarsurrey says:

Sorry, I cannot understand the discussion fully as the terminology used in the posts is in Sansikrit or Hindi and I don’t know these languages. I would request the opener of the discussion/thread at least, to kindly translate the terms for me in English so that I could also comprehend the discussion and benefi from it.

As of now, please don’t mind, as I understand from Christ/Krishna Second Coming 1835-1908, Yes; the present understanding of the Hindus is incorrect and impossible. Mukti to humans under the present Hindu cocepts; one just cannot attain it naturally, rationally and ogically. GodAllahParmesherYHWH does not confirm it by His word of Revelation from His mouth; neither in the text for a claim, nor for the reason given by Him. Human wise men; I respect them all, but they cannot match the Wisdom of the ONE-Creator of Heavens and Earth; neither have they claimed it, in my opinion.

I am convinced by Christ/Krishna Second Coming 1835-1908 in this connection; but others are free to convince me otherwise, if they could surpass him.

Christ/Krishna Second Coming 1835-1908 says:

But if particles and souls are not related to God as His creation, there will be no justification for such a relationship either.

There is no doubt that for such ‘independent’ souls, the existence of Parmeshwar is of no use, nor will they have anything to lose by His non-existence. In this situation, salvation—which the Arya Samaj refer to as mukti—becomes impossible to attain, for it wholly depends upon the personal love for God which He has created in the very nature of the souls.

If souls have not been created by Parmeshwar, how can they love Him by their very nature? And Parmeshwar could not have placed His love in their nature afterwards, because natural love is something that has to be eternally inherent in them and not something that was created later on.

This is what God refers to in the Holy Quran when He says: i.e., I asked the souls, “Am I not your Creator?” And the souls replied, “Yes, indeed.”(Quran: Al- A‘RAF, 7:17) The meaning of this verse is that the soul contains in its very nature the testimony that God is its Creator.

The soul, being God’s creation, loves Him naturally and instinctively.

Fountain of Christianity: http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Fountain-of-Christianity-20080505MN.pdf

What is Revelation? Promised Messiah explains from his personal experience

October 22, 2008

Promised Messiah 1835-1908 says:

It should be kept well in mind that revelation does not mean that an
idea should arise in the mind of a person who sets himself to ponder
over a thing as, for instance, a poet having thought out half a verse
seeks the other half in his mind and his mind suggests the other half.

This is not revelation but is the result of reflection, in accordance with
the law of nature. When a person reflects upon something good or
bad, a corresponding idea arises in his mind. For instance, one person
who is pious and truthful composes verses in support of truth, and
another one, who is wicked and vicious, supports falsehood in his
verses and abuses the righteous. Both these would, no doubt, write a
certain number of verses, and it is quite possible that the verses of the
one who is the enemy of the righteous and supports falsehood might
be better than the verses of the other one, on account of his greater
practice in writing poetry.

So, if the arising of an idea in the mind should be accounted as revelation, a vile poet who is the enemy of truth and of the righteous and writes in opposition to the truth and has recourse to imposture, would be called a recipient of divine revelation.

Many novels are written in excellent style and set forth altogether false but continuous well arranged tales. Then would these stories be designated as revelation? If revelation were to mean merely an idea arising in one’s mind, a thief would also be called a recipient of revelation, for an expert thief often thinks out surprising ways of theft
and robbery, and many clever plans of robbery and murder pass
through his mind.

Would all these unclean projects be called revelation? Indeed not. Such is the thinking only of those who are not aware of the true God Who comforts the hearts of His servants with His converse and bestows the understanding of spiritual knowledge upon those who are not familiar with it.

What then is revelation? It is the living and powerful converse of
the Holy and Mighty God with a chosen servant of His, or with one
whom He designs to make His elect. When this converse starts in an
adequate and satisfactory manner, being altogether free from the
darkness of false concepts, and is not composed merely of a few
inadequate and meaningless words, and is full of delight and wisdom
and grandeur, then it surely is the word of God with which He designs
to comfort His servant and to manifest Himself to him.

Sometimes revelation is vouchsafed to a person by way of trial and is not equipped with full blessings. In such a case the recipient is put on his trial at this elementary stage so that having tasted somewhat of revelation he should order his life along the lines of those who are true recipients of revelation, in default of which he would encounter frustration.

If he does not adopt the ways of the truly righteous he is deprived of the fullness of this bounty and is left only with vain boasting. Millions of the virtuous have been recipients of revelation, but they were not of equal standing in the estimation of God. Indeed, even the holy Prophets of God, who are recipients of divine revelation at the highest level, are not equal in rank, as God Almighty has said:
Of these Messengers some have We exalted above others (al-Quran 2:254).

This shows that revelation is pure divine grace and is not evidence of
exaltation. Exaltation is according to the degree of truth, sincerity, and
faithfulness of the recipient, which is known only to God. If revelation
possesses all its blessed conditions it is also one of the fruits of such
qualities.

There is no doubt that if revelation takes the form that the recipient submits a question and God responds to it, and there is a sequence between question and answer, and the revelation is characterized by divine majesty and light, and comprehends knowledge of the unseen and true understanding, it is truly the word of God.

It is necessary that divine revelation should be like a dialogue between two friends. Likewise, when God communes with His servant, and when the servant enquires concerning any matter, and in response to that he hears an address, which is sweet and full of linguistic excellence, in matters, in which his mind had not interpolated in the least, that dialogue and revelation can certainly be understood as Word of God.

Such servant of Allah, is indeed, great in the sight of Allah; but this exceptional high status of being recipient of the Word of God, as a special favour from Him, which has the quality of absolute clarity and purity, which is not bestowed upon anyone but those, who continuously progress in faith, dedication and righteous deeds.

Also there is something extra to it (of spiritual nature) which is beyond us to describe. True and holy revelation displays many wonders of the Godhead. Very often a brilliant light is generated and along with it a majestic and shining revelation is vouchsafed.

What could be a greater bounty than this that a recipient of revelation
should hold converse with the Being Who is the Creator of the heavens and the earth. God can be seen in this world only through converse with Him.

This does not include the condition of a person from whose tongue an idle word, or sentence or verse proceeds unaccompanied by any dialogue. Such a person is under trial by God, for God sometimes tries a slothful and neglectful servant of His in this manner that a sentence or a statement issues from his heart or tongue and he becomes a blind person not knowing whence the statement has proceeded, whether from God or from Satan.

Such a one should implore istighfar in respect of such an experience. But if a righteous and virtuous servant of God should experience unobstructed dialogue with the Divine and should hear bright, and delicious, and meaningful, and wise, and majestic divine utterances in a state of complete wakefulness in the shape of question and answer at least ten times, that is to say he put a question and God replied to it and then in complete wakefulness he made another submission and God made answer to it, and he made another humble supplication and God
replied to that.

This should have happened ten times. If in the course of such dialogue God should accept his prayers and should instruct him in excellent insights and should inform him of coming events and should honour him repeatedly with His clear dialogue, such a one should be deeply grateful to God Almighty and should be more devoted to Him than anyone else, because God, of His pure grace, has chosen him from among His servants and has made him the heir of those faithful ones who have passed on before him.

This bounty is most rare and is the height of good fortune. For him on whom it is bestowed everything else is utterly without value.

A Characteristic of Islam

Islam has always produced persons of this rank. It is Islam alone in
which God approaches a servant and holds converse with him and
speaks inside him. He builds His throne in the heart of such a one and
pulls him from inside towards heaven. He bestows upon him all the
bounties that were bestowed on those before him.

It is a pity that the blind world does not realise how far a person can reach in nearness to God. They do not step forward themselves, and if another one does so, he is either declared a disbeliever or he is deified and is put in the place of God. Both these are great wrongs which proceed from one extreme or the other. A wise one should not lack high resolve and should not persist in the denial of such an exalted rank being conferred on anyone, and should neither denigrate such a one nor deify him.

When a person attains such high rank, God Almighty manifests such
relationship with him as if He covers him up with the mantle of His
Godhead and such a one becomes a mirror for beholding God. That is
why the Holy Prophet, peace and blessings of Allah be upon him, said:
He who has seen me has seen God. This is the last stage in the spiritual
progress of man in which he is bestowed full satisfaction.

The Speaker is Honoured with Divine
Converse

I would be guilty of doing great wrong to my fellow beings if I were
not to declare at this stage that divine bounty has bestowed upon me
the status which I have just defined and has honoured me with the
kind of converse the features of which I have just set out in detail, so
that I should bestow sight upon the blind and should guide the seekers
of the One Who has been so far lost, and should give to those who
accept the truth the good news of that holy fountain of which many
speak but which few find. I wish to assure the listeners that the God,
meeting with Whom is the salvation and eternal welfare of man,
cannot be found without following the Holy Quran.

Would that the people were to see that which I have seen, and were to hear that which I have heard, and should lay aside mere tales and should run to the truth. The cleansing water which removes all doubt, that mirror through which that Supreme Being can be seen, is converse with the Divine that I have just mentioned. Let him whose soul seeks the truth arise and search.

I tell you truly that if souls are charged with true seeking and hearts develop true thirst, people would search for that way and would seek that path. How can that way be discovered, and how can the intervening veil be removed? I assure all seekers that it is
Islam alone which conveys the good news of that path. All other
people have since long sealed up divine revelation.

Be sure, however, that this seal is not imposed by God, but is an excuse that is put forward by man on account of his privation. Be sure that as it is not possible that we should be able to see without eyes, or should be able to hear without ears, or should be able to speak without a tongue, in the same way it is not possible that without the help of the Quran we should be able to behold the countenance of the True Beloved.

I was young and am now old but I have not encountered anyone who has quaffed the cup of this visible understanding except out of this holy
fountain.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Philosophy-of-Teachings-of-Islam.pdf

Paarsurrey says:

Everybody who reads the above passage is exhorted to make comments with claim and jist of argument based on the revealed book he believes in.This would be an interesting and useful comparative study of religions.

Please do comment so that the truth prevails and wins.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

What is reality? Did Jesus die on cross?

June 4, 2008

What is reality? Did Jesus die on cross? Or he did not die on cross,

 

In my opinion Jesus  was delivered alive from cross, was treated in the room-like tomb by his close disciples, thus he survived from death, migrated to 10 tribes of the Israel and died later at some point in the history.It is very important for bringing unity in the Abrahamic religions i.e. Jews, Christians and the Muslims or if not possible at least understanding among the three.
 
 

Importance for the Jews

It is to be investigated as to why they tried to kill Jesus/Christ or put him on the cross. Were they politically motivated or due to some personal enmity or due to religious injunctions. Since they believed in Torah or the Old Testament as named by the Christians, and the Muslims also believe in Torah to an extant. The motive and the incidence of putting Jesus on cross should therefore be discussed. Anybody could take part in the discussion but references if any should be mainly from Torah the religious book of the Jews, not from the New Testament or Quran as Jews don’t believe in these books and reference to these books will be of no significance for them. The Jews have to state as to why they (or their elders in history) tried to kill an innocent person called Jesus. They should clear off their position in this respect.
Importance for the Christians
The incident of crucifixion and the events related to it should be discussed in the Christian also and the arguments should be primarily based with reference to the testimony of the New Testament and the historic evidences if any.Giving arguments from Quran would be of little significance for Christians unless somebody first convinces Christians of authenticity of Quran.

Importance for the Muslims

This is also very important for the Muslims. All Muslims do not believe that Jesus (or Issa) died on cross or even he was put on cross, there are different interpretations and beliefs among the Muslims based on Quran or tradition. Resolving this issue could unite the Muslims also. This is also one of the the central point concerning the Muslims also and for that the arguments should be primarily from Muslim scriptures Quran and Sunnah.

So to me this should be discussed in between the Jews, Christians and the Muslims for a better understanding.
 

We unite in truth, by myths and fictions we are off the path.This would be a useful topic of comparative study of the religions, I think.