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Quran Verse [29:70]: meaning Seekers after Truth surely would find Truth

January 15, 2014

Quran Verse [29:70]:

[29:70] And as for those who strive in Our path — We will surely guide them in Our ways. And verily Allah is with those who do good.

One of my Atheist friends on another blog has cast doubt on the collection, compiling and preservation of Quran.

I quoted the above verse for the meaning and the reason mentioned in it; and I always do that.

One can, if one likes to, doubt its words; but if there is a reason mentioned in it and one finds it to be truthful; the reason should not be rejected just for the doubt in the literal text.

I think it is a general observation that one who strives and works hard for a thing, and leaves no stone unturned gets successful in the end.

I find similar sentence/writings in other cultures and religious scriptures of the world. If one searches one would testify to its Truth. It is full of wisdom.

One gets fruit of one’s labor to be sure. If one is not sure of one’s search one could never get into any scientific search/research.

For search in the path to reaching One-True-God; He has added assurance to the seekers; they should not be in doubt that they will fail; the honest search will be fruitful.

It is not a bad work to search; it is a positive step and is good for the individual and for the society.

Quran mentions in the very beginning of it while describing the merit and excellences of the believers/seekers:

[2:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[2:2] Alif Lam Mim.
[2:3] This is a perfect Book; there is no doubt in it; it is a guidance for the righteous,
[2:4] Who believe in the unseen and observe Prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;
[2:5] And who believe in that which has been revealed to thee, and that which was revealed before thee, and they have firm faith in what is yet to come.
2:6] It is they who follow the guidance of their Lord and it is they who shall prosper.

The believers/seekers have to be open-minded; and they must confirm the Truth in other scripture as much as it is in them; and the corruption done by scribes has to be pointed out if there is found any. This is what I do; and this is what Quran teaches one to do.

With all the reasons mentioned above; if one still doubts the text of the verse [29:70]: then one should identify the person who wrote or added it to Quran; and give the reference of the Quran which did not contain this verse or with other text in the original Arabic.

The burden of proof is on such claimant/s; no compulsion however.

Quran- and the eradication of slavery‎

July 24, 2009‎the-bigger-culprit/‎

Hi friend M A Khan

I think the Christian President of America is justified in making the statement as narrated ‎by you in the following words:‎

‎“President Obama, visiting a slave-fort in Ghana, condemned slavery, pointing to a ‎chruch that stood next to the slave-dungeons, to obviate the popular paradigm as to how ‎European Christians, with sanctions from the church, engaged in black slavery, probably ‎the only slavery that existed in history and is worth condemning.”‎

I also join the American President to condemn every part of slavery that exists anywhere ‎in the world or that existed any time in the history of the world.‎

Rather, I would suggest, the world should follow in foot steps of the humanity loving ‎Muhammad to eradicte slavery from the world; it is very much mentioned in the most ‎natural collection of Revelation from God Allah YHWH called Quran:‎

‎[90:9] Have We not given him two eyes,‎
‎[90:10] And a tongue and two lips?‎
‎[90:11] And We have pointed out to him the two highways of good and evil.‎
‎[90:12] But he attempted not the ascent courageously.‎
‎[90:13] And what should make thee know what the ascent is?‎
‎[90:14] It is the freeing of a slave.‎

I think there is no harm if the world learns from Quran/Islam/Muhammad as to how one ‎should love the humanity and human beings.‎


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran revelaton, compilation and collection ‎

July 15, 2009‎authentic/#comments

Hi friends ‎

I think my friend here in this forum need to know more about the compilation and ‎collection of Quran; so I continue from my previous posts in this subject: ‎

This shows that in addition to the four Companions whom
the Holy Prophet used to teach the whole of the Quran there
were others who used to learn portions of it from him. ‘Umar’s
submission that he had been taught to pronounce a certain
word in a particular way shows that he, too, used to learn
portions of the Quran from the Holy Prophet himself.‎

The difference that arose between ‘Umar and ‘Abdullah bin
Mas’fid had no reference to any variation in the text of the
Quran. It related only to a vowel point. Vowel points are
a peculiarity of the Arabic language and in the case of certain
verbs a variation in respect of vowel points is permissible and
does not affect the meaning. ‎

For instance, in some cases
a reading both with an ‘a’ and with an ‘i’ is permissible either
as a general alternative reading or as a tribal or family practice.‎
But the meaning in each case is the same. The Holy Prophet,‎
recognizing such practices, gave permission under divine
dispensation for the adoption of alternative enunciations, as
this had not the effect of altering the meaning or sense of the
words. ‎

As non-Arabic-speaking peoples are not familiar with
this peculiarity of the Arabic language, they are apt to fall into
the misconception that such alternative enunciations amounted
to variations in the text and that the Holy Prophet was in the
habit of teaching certain verses of the Quran in one way to one
person and in a different way to another. In fact nothing of
the kind ever took place. ‎

The variations which have become
the subject-matter of discussion were not variations either of the
text of a verse or even variations of a word. They were all
cases of enunciation of vowel points which did not in any way
alter the meaning or significance of a word. The only difference‎
was that some tribes or families, being accustomed to pronounce
certain verbs in particular declensions in a certain manner, were
permitted to do so.‎

In addition to the four principal teachers of the Quran who‎
had been trained by the Holy Prophet himself there were certain
other well-known reciters who had committed the whole of
the Quran to memory. ‎

Among these were :‎
‎(I) Zaid bin Thabit, who was also one of the recorders of‎
the revelation.‎
‎(2) Abu Zaid Qais bin Al-Sakan, an Ansari, who belonged
to the Banu Najjar, which was the tribe of the
Prophet’s mother (Fath al-Bari, Vol. 9, p. 49).‎
‎(3) Abu al-Darda’ Ansari (Bukhari).‎
‎(4) Abu Bakr, concerning whom also it is related that from‎
the very beginning he was in the habit of committing
the Quran to memory.‎
‎(5) ‘Ali not only knew the Quran by heart but shortly after‎
the Holy Prophet’s death undertook to arrange the
Quran in the order in which it had been revealed.‎

‎(6) Nasa’i relates that ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar also knew the‎
Quran by heart and used to recite the whole of it
in the course of one night. When the Holy Prophet
got to know of this he told him to complete the
recitation in the course of a month and not to
attempt to recite the whole of the Quran in one
night as this might prove burdensome for him.‎

‎(7) Abu ‘Ubaid relates that out of the Muhajirin the
following had committed the Quran to memory :‎
Abu Bakr, ‘Umar, ‘Uthman, ‘Ali, Talha, Sa’d, Ibn
Mas’ud, Hudhaifa, Salim, Abu Huraira, ‘Abdullah
‎’bin Sa’ib, ‘Abdullah bin ‘Umar and ‘Abdullah‎
bin ‘Abbas.‎

And out of the women :‎
‎’A’isha, Hafsa and Umm Salma.‎
Most of these had committed the Quran to memory during the
Prophet’s lifetime and some of them after his death. Ibn
Abi Dawud relates in his book, the Al-Shari’ah, that Tamim
bin Aus al-Dari and ‘Uqba bin ‘Amir from among the Muhajirin
had also committed the Quran to memory. Other
historians include in this list ‘Amr bin al-‘As and Abu Musa

All human beings are just like a family and must all be loved and not hated.‎

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim ‎

One part of Quran supports and explains other parts of the Quran; and hence it enjoys an ‎inbuilt system, which cannot be disturbed by anybody‎

July 10, 2009

‎38. jonc Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

Back to the Koran itself:

All the ’stories’ about the compilation and memorization of the Koran are either ‎speculative (in the case of the book you so often quote) or dependant on Hadith that ‎were not compiled until ~200+ years after Mo’s death.‎

41. paarsurrey Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:03 pm

I don’t agree with you. Quran is not dependant on Hadith. I give here verses from ‎Quran describing the form Quran was to be descended and protected:‎

‏75:17] لَا تُحَرِّكْ بِهٖ لِسَانَكَ لِتَعْجَلَ بِهٖؕ‏ ‏
‎[75:17] Move not thy tongue with this revelation that thou mayest hasten to preserve ‎it. ‎
‏[75:17] تُو اس کی قراءت کے وقت اپنی زبان کو اس لئے تیز حرکت نہ دے کہ تُو اسے جلد جلد یاد ‏کرے۔ ‏

‏[75:18] اِنَّ عَلَيْنَا جَمْعَهٗ وَقُرْاٰنَهٗۚ ۖ‏ ‏
‎[75:18] Surely upon Us rests its collection and its recital. ‎
‏[75:18] یقیناً اس کا جمع کرنا اور اس کی تلاوت ہماری ذمہ داری ہے۔ ‏

‏[75:19] فَاِذَا قَرَاْنٰهُ فَاتَّبِعْ قُرْاٰنَهٗ‌ۚ‏ ‏
‎[75:19] So when We recite it, then follow thou its recital. ‎
‏[75:19] پس جب ہم اُسے پڑھ چکیں تو تُو اس کی قراءت کی پیروی کر۔ ‏

‏[75:20] ثُمَّ اِنَّ عَلَيْنَا بَيَانَهٗؕ‏ ‏
‎[75:20] Then upon Us rests the expounding thereof. ‎
‏[75:20] پھر یقیناً اُس کا واضح بیان بھی ہمارے ہی ذمہ ہے۔ ‏

It is evident from the above verses that the Creator God Allah YHWH that Muhammad ‎was not even allowed to make a non-natural effort to memorize Quran. It was to be very ‎naturally revealed on Muhammad and it was to be secured by the Creator God Allah ‎YHWH in the form He best designed for its verbal text and also for its meaning; as God ‎Allah YHWH was its author, and not Muhammad.

Muslim had been and are very sensitive on the issue of the verbal text of Quran; so ‎nobody could ever alter it, not even a Caliph or whatever the status of such a person; ‎from amongst the Muslims or the non-Muslims. Muslims the world over always rejected ‎such moves in the past and would always reject such moves even now and the future.

One part of Quran supports and explains other parts of the Quran; and hence it enjoys an ‎inbuilt system, which cannot be disturbed by anybody; not even a Hadith could change ‎the text of Quran; such a Hadith would be interpreted for meanings that support Quran or ‎such a Hadith would be rejected altogether.‎
Quran is the first and the foremost source of guidance for the Muslims and would remain ‎as such.

All humans are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran – the remarkable Revelation from God Allah YHWH ‎

July 4, 2009

28. jonc Says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm ‎

What you say makes sense – right up to the point that the Sahih Hadith about the ‎collection of the Koran are introduced.

33. paarsurrey Says:
July 4th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

Hi friend jonc

As I have mentioned in the earlier post, Quran as the word means was the revelation ‎descended on the heart of Muhammad from God Allah YHWH and he was guaranteed ‎from Him that he need not worry about making strenuous effort to remember the ‎Revelation; he would remember it naturally and he would not forget it. From Muhammad ‎his companions learnt it by heart or committed it to their memory.Writing the revelation ‎was only an auxiliary measure adopted by Muhammad.

It was not made incumbent on Muhammad, in my opinion, by any clear verse in Quran to ‎commit it to writing; I don’t see any such verse in Quran. Muhammad and his ‎companions loved Quran and exactly as the word Quran meant they recited Quran very ‎often, in the prayers and even without it; this is not an unusual thing, upto our times this ‎practice continues among Muslims. The text of Quran was compiled already in the ‎memory of Muhammad and his companions in the same form as it is found in our times ‎without any change. It needed no further compilation or collection.

One could go to any Muslim Mosque in any part of the world; there one could find ‎persons who remember Quran by heart. One may take a copy of Quran with one and ‎request them to recite Quran from their memory. One would find that there is no ‎difference in the written and the recited Quran from the heart.

There are so many verses in Quran from God Allah YHWH which say that He had made ‎it very easy to learn Quran and to commit it to memory. The Creator has made the human ‎mind and memory aligned and attuned to remember Quran with ease and convenience. I ‎don’t think there is any other Book in the world of the size of Quran which is committend ‎to memory with love as the Muslims do with Quran, only because it is a natural ‎Revelation from God Allah YHWH and He has taken it on Himself that it would remain ‎secure and protected in all times to come.

The written Quran was and is but a reflection of the loving heart of Muhammad, his ‎companions and the faithful believers in the whole world. Nobody could scratch it out of ‎their hearts; howsoever one tries. Uthman only made it very convenient to understand for ‎those who were not familiar with it , due to the spread of Islam in other parts of the ‎world; his effort are undoubtedly laudable.

It is remarkable indeed.

Love for all; hatred for none. Humans are but a family.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim