Posts Tagged ‘claims and reason’

NTBible (or Gospels) is neither Word of God nor Word of Jesus

January 22, 2010

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=4701&p=91759#p91759

Wootah wrote:

Reason isn’t native to you; is it?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends

Reason is very natural with me; of course, as our Quran is Word from the Creator- God Allah YHWH, has claims and reason on every topic relating to ethical, moral and spiritual guidance of human beings in it.

The NTBible is neither Word of the Creator -God Allah YHWH, nor of Jesus, so it is naturally bereft of claims and the reasons. The Claims and reason have to be imported invariably from out of the Gospels or just from the imagination. They loan it from the cunning Paul or the clever Church.

This proves that NTBible is not Word of God.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

What does Quran say about the Bible?

May 13, 2009

~Quran respects all the Revealed Books of all the Religions; e.g., Torah of Moses or Gita of Krishna, or revelations made to Buddha, or Zoroaster; or for that matter any book revealed on the Messenger Prophets, all over the world. Bible/Torah is one of such Revealed Book.

Wdednh says:

Thank you for your interesting reply. You’ve asked very interesting questions. But b4 I answer your questions would you please answer my questions?

You in your writings keep talking about Jesus of the Bible, and you talk about Cunning Paul and sinful scribes of the Bible, you talk about Love you have for Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran. Now would you please tell me?

(1)What does Quran say about the Bible?
(2) What does Quran say about Mary?
(3) Does Quran mention virgin birth of JESUS CHRIST?
(4)And if Quran mentions the virgin birth, what does it say the virgin was conceived by?
(5) Also what is your thought on Israel as a country and as a Nation?

So please tell me what QURAN says and if you are a true follower of it?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend wdednh

English is not my mother language; so, I am not familiar with the American or English proverbs and phrases. I had to google to find out the meaning and history of the proverb “The proof is in the pudding”. Thanks for introducing one to me.

Question:

What does Quran say about the Bible?

Answer:

Quran respects all the Revealed Books of all the Religions; e.g., Torah of Moses or Gita of Krishna, or revelations made to Buddha, or Zoroaster; or for that matter any book revealed on the Messenger Prophets, all over the world. Bible/Torah is one of such Revealed Book. An Ahmadi peaceful Muslim has to believe that the persons on whom these books were revealed were truthful persons. Bible/Torah is said to be revealed on Moses; though I personally think that Genesis was not revealed on Moses.

Since God Allah YHWH sent the Messengers with Divine Guidance, so Quran on broader basis confirms the original revelations to be true; and a Muslim cannot be a Muslim if he denies this basis. Not withstanding the above Quran makes a distinction between the Word of Revelation in origin, and the present form it is found now; some part conforming with the origin and some getting diluted by hands of its followers.

No Muslim believes that the present Torah or the present Gospels entirely retain the form of the origin; these are mixed up now.

The Messengers Prophets on whom these books were revealed were the truthful Messengers Prophets of God Allah YHWH; the revelations were also truthful in the origin, but unfortunately, the followers of these books made them tainted. This could be observed, easily by reading those books.

The books are hardly found protected and secured with a fool proof system; having not the same text, word for word and letter for letter; in the original language of the Messengers on whom these are said to have been revealed.

We find guidance originally revealed diluted to a great extent and also a lot of wisdom missing which must have been in them, if they are truthful now. It is for this that we don’t find both claims and reason intact in them.

It is for this that we see the followers of these books spoon feeding the claims and reason into them so frequently; that forms a proof of an attempt to tamper with the text or adding meanings which are not there in the original texts and versions. The books itseld are deaf and dumb; while the followers boast about the wisdom.

I think I shall have to add a recent example to illustrate the point.

Pope Benedict’s Latest Take on Islam
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1897119,00.html

“Faith is in fact necessary in a world in which reason alone can become a form of extremism.” “When human reason humbly allows itself to be purified by faith… it is strengthened to resist presumption and reach beyond its own limitations.” I think with this he was perhaps hinting toward the Atheists and the Agnostics who are also called sometimes as Secularists or Humanists.
He further added: “Christians describe God, among other ways, as creative Reason, which orders and guides the world,” the Pope said. “Muslims worship God, the Creator of Heaven and Earth, who has spoken to humanity.” The Pope seems to still believe that this distinction — between Christian faith that is “purified” by human reason, and Muslim faith that is simply received from God.

The Highest Catholic Clergy is a dignitary; and our faith (Islam) enjoins us to respect dignitaries of all faiths/religions. As an individual he is entitled to free thinking and opinion; and I respect his faith.

So the Catholic faith as incorporated in the Catholic Bible is purified by reason, as he claims.

Now whose reason purifies the original text? It is anybody’s guess. If, I have understood it correctly, the Pope gets a license to add reasons or meaning to the revelation under the pretext of purifying the scriptures made by God Allah YHWH on Jesus. This they have been doing since the times of Paul; adding claims and reasons under the name of purification.

Yet, the Gospels completely lack of any reasons, at least I could not find any reasonable, rational, and logical reasons for any theological assertions/expressions made or claimed in it. Kindly correct me if I have misunderstood anything the Clergy said.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran not the mythical ones presented by sinful Paul and the sinful scribes.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


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