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Discrepancy in number of books in the Bible: Jews, Catholics and Protestants

April 24, 2013

Hank Kimball Says:
April 23, 2013 at 10:41 pm

Either all scripture is inspired of God, or it is not. The bible I read has 66 books penned by 38 men directed by God in every word. Either what is said in it can be interpreted by what is said in it, or it cannot. If one scripture seems, on the surface to contradict another, further study and understanding is indicated. If we do not use scripture to interpret scripture, we have relied on our own understanding. That is precisely why so many religions exist today.

Paarsurrey says:

Since we are not in a debate; we are only trying to understand one another’s point of view. You have your own free will to have a blind-faith. I will opt to have my own free will of not having a blind faith.

I don’t agree with your above mentioned generalizations. Bible does not consist of the original Word of the one true God revealed on a truthful messenger prophet. It could have certain portions or sentences of revelations from the one true God but only translated from some other language; not in the original language they were revealed on a messenger prophet of God.

The difference in number of books of Catholics, Protestants, other Christian denomination and Jews is an evidence that Bible has been changed by the denominations they pertain to.

Jews– they have total 49 books in the OT Bible. They don’t believe in NT.

Catholics– they have 46 books in their OT+27 books in the NT; that makes their total book as 73.

Protestants- they have 39 books in their OT+27 books in the NT; that make their total of 66 books.

So by this I can tell you that you are a protestant.

If we go by the arguments given by you; the Christian-Catholics and Christian-Protestants both of them, under the warning mentioned in the end of book of revelation which you quoted in one of your earlier posts, are responsible for reducing the whole books from the Bible; the Catholics for 3 books and Protestant for 10 books.

We have not yet taken account of numerous passages and/or sentences which have been added to or reduced from the Bible by the Catholics and Protestants.

This proves that the warning of revelation or the preservation of the text of scriptures is only valid for the book of revelation and it cannot be extended or generalized to other books or the Bible as a whole.

Jesus god-the-father: a fallacy of Catholics Protestants

November 20, 2011

There took place an interesting discussion on the above topic, initiated by me, on my favorite discussion forum, the hubpages:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86391

I will give here some of the posts to have you a taste of the same.

OP by paarsurrey

Catholics Protestants think Jesus was god; rather as some say he was “god-the-father”; then the Christians say that Mary was begotten by god-the-father.

It is a wrong concept; because that would makes Jesus , I take refuge with the Creator God, husband of Mary.

I don’t think it is a correct concept that Jesus ever believed.

When the Catholics Protestants say “Yahshua was God the Father Himself manifest in the flesh”; what exactly they mean.

I want to understand.

1. thooghun wrote:

I’m not religious, but I have read the bible a few times. I’m sure a learned Christian could correct me, however the impression I got was:

Jesus is neither man nor God. But a unity (the holy trinity) of three distinct natures, comprised of the father (God), the son (Jesus — specifically the man) and the Holy Spirit.

Paarsurrey now comments in this blog:

If there are three different natures; they depict three different persons, not one.

2. A Troubled Man@ paarsurrey

“I want to understand.”

No, you don’t. You just want to continue your onslaught of other religions while propagating the virtues of your religion.

You must also believe we’re really stupid.

3. Brenda Durham

@ OP
Mary wasn’t anybody’s wife except Joseph’s.
God was not Mary’s husband. Jesus was not Mary’s husband.
God has no literal wife.

Jesus was a manifestation of God the Father.
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ARE God; they are One, with distinct manifestations and purposes but totally inseparable.

4. couturepopcafe

@ OP

paars – I would explain it like this: The Supreme One is able to project Himself in a way that is visible to humans so we can understand that it is possible to be perfect. IMO, Jesus was a projection of the mind of God, sent to teach us how to live. When we reach a point in our own life of perfection, this is Nirvana, Heaven, when we will have the same power Jesus had.
Paarsurrey now replies:

How do you know “The Supreme One” wants to project himself before the humans in human form? This is just your presumption; and against the attributes of the Creator God.

5. Arcjahad

Trinity is a false doctrine our heavenly father is not the author of confusion the reason the trinity is confusing to some is because it is false , the messiah said he is the son of God not that he is God ,the Creator said that the messiah is my son not that he is me in the flesh , as a child growing up in a Baptist church I always knew that when the grownups said God died on the cross for us I always said they sounded stupid it’s his son not him , children always know spiritual truth

6. Emile R

What I got from the story was that he was Son of God and Son of Man while on earth; which meant his spirit was the spirit of God. His flesh was that of a human. It was the flesh that made him the Son, but his spirit was fully the Ancient of Days. God didn’t breathe life into his spirit, because his spirit was the breathe itself.

Paarsurrey now replies:

It is just your guess, not a reality.

7. couturepopcafe@Arcjahad

It’s not confusing to me at all so I must be more enlightened than the ‘some’. The trinity is not doctrine at all, it’s a concept created to allow man to understand the 3 aspects of life – mind, flesh/heart, spirit/soul/energy force. There’s nothing unclear about this. All ascetics have learned this. IMO, the habitual thought patterns of humans is what stands in the way of the genuine impressions of the One.

Jesus was also called the Son of Man, among other names. He forgave the sins of those who had faith in his power. Who can forgive sins but God only? Mark 2:5-12 “Whether is it easier to say to the sick of the palsy, Thy sins be forgiven thee, or to say Arise and take up thy bed and walk? But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins.” etc. If you believe in the Christian doctrine, this clearly says Jesus is God as Man.

8. couturepopcafe
@thooghun
“I’m not religious, but I have read the bible a few times. I’m sure a learned Christian could correct me, however the impression I got was:

Jesus is neither man nor God. But a unity (the holy trinity) of three distinct natures, comprised of the father (God), the son (Jesus — specifically the man) and the Holy Spirit.”

That’s pretty much the way I understand the concept. Except it’s God as Trinity. I guess it really could go any which way if they are all the same being. Father is mind, Son is heart, Spirit is soul just like we humans.

9. Brenda Durham wrote:

“Jesus was a manifestation of God the Father.”
Paarsurrey wrote:
That makes Jesus a messenger prophet of the Creator God; every messenger prophet manifests the attributes of the Creator God; nothing different from others.

10. couturepopcafe wrote:

paars – I would explain it like this: The Supreme One is able to project Himself in a way that is visible to humans so we can understand that it is possible to be perfect. IMO, Jesus was a projection of the mind of God, sent to teach us how to live. When we reach a point in our own life of perfection, this is Nirvana, Heaven, when we will have the same power Jesus had.

Paarsurrey wrote:
That is with every prophet messenger of the Creator God; they were perfect human beings who achieved attributes of the Creator God as one mortal can; this way they became in image of the
Creator God; nothing special with human Jesus.
11. Arcjahad wrote:
“Trinity is a false doctrine”
Paarsurrey wrote:
– created by clever Paul and the sinful writers of gospels; trinity is a false doctrine I agree with you.
Posted 10 days ago
12. Greek One@paarsurrey :
“- created by clever Paul and the sinful writers of gospels; trinity is a false doctrine I agree with you.”
sinful?

Didn’t you say they were misguided just the other day?

Which one were they?
13. Disappearinghead

@paarsurrey wrote:
“- created by clever Paul and the sinful writers of gospels; trinity is a false doctrine I agree with you.”
You don’t think Muhammad was sinful then Paar?
14. paarsurrey
@Disappearinghead wrote:
“You dont think Muhamed was sinful then Paar?”

All human beings are born innocent unless they commit a sin when they get mature.

All messenger prophets of the Creator God were innocent; their selection for this high office by the Creator God is a proof they were all innocent; they did not commit any sin; and if they did my mistake they asked forgiveness from Him; and He is most Merciful and the Most-forgiver.

Muhammad was messenger prophet; he was, therefore, innocent.

15. paarsurrey
@Greek One
“Sinful? Didn’t you say they were misguided just the other day? Which one were they?”
A misguided is a sinful person; it is the same thing in other words.

Hubpages is a good discussion site; one could comment there or here in this blog; comments are most welcome.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86391