Posts Tagged ‘Buddhist’

BBC_Religions: “Jesus through Buddhist eyes”

April 23, 2013

“Jesus through Buddhist eyes”; is an article from:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/buddhism/beliefs/jesusandbuddhism_1.shtml

“Ajahn Candasiri is a senior nun at the Amaravati Buddhist Monastery in Hertfordshire.”

Ajahn Candasiri narrates:

(I quote her words below)

Quote.”His Holiness, the Dalai Lama, speaking to a capacity audience in the Albert Hall in 1984 united his listeners instantly with one simple statement: “All beings want to be happy; they want to avoid pain and suffering.” I was impressed at how he was able to touch what we share as human beings. He affirmed our common humanity, without in any way dismissing the obvious differences.

When invited to look at Jesus through Buddhist eyes, I had imagined that I would use a ‘compare and contrast’ approach, rather like a school essay. I was brought up as a Christian and turned to Buddhism in my early thirties, so of course I have ideas about both traditions: the one I grew up in and turned aside from, and the one I adopted and continue to practise within. But after re-reading some of the gospel stories, I would like to meet Jesus again with fresh eyes, and to examine the extent to which he and the Buddha were in fact offering the same guidance, even though the traditions of Christianity and Buddhism can appear in the surface to be rather different.

A little about how I came to be a Buddhist nun

Having tried with sincerity to approach my Christian journey in a way that was meaningful within the context of everyday life, I had reached a point of deep weariness and despair. I was weary with the apparent complexity of it all; despair had arisen because I was not able to find any way of working with the less helpful states that would creep, unbidden, into the mind: the worry, jealousy, grumpiness, and so on. And even positive states could turn around and transform themselves into pride or conceit, which were of course equally unwanted.” Unquote.

For more details please access the following site:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/buddhism/beliefs/jesusandbuddhism_1.shtml

Paarsurrey says:

This show that Jesus went to India after the event of crucifixion in which he survived in near-death condition nevertheless alive. He died a natural death in Kashmir and is buried there.

March 27, 2013

Paarsurrey says:

LAO TSU, Krishna, Buddha, and Jesus; none of them was God or son of god or a demi-god; they were all human beings.

They eradicated their “self” and with their good deeds and charitable deeds they acquired oneness with the attributes of the one true creator God; they completely submitted their “self” with the will of God and got attuned to Him.

They received enlightenment or word of revelation from Him. They were men of God and chosen by Him as His messengers prophets or saints with a message from Him for the mankind.

Thanks

Those who are pure of heart seek God

March 19, 2013

Question and Answer with Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, 18 November 1995
http://www.alislam.org/v/544.html

Please see the video Q3 @ 00:40:35 “Those who are pure of heart seek God”. What is your interpretation of the pure in heart?
Its answer ends 00:41:05: Duration of the answer is only: 0.70 minutes.

Buddha must be defended as Jesus should be defended

April 24, 2012

A poster says:

Are you becoming Buddhist now? Islam is not your preferred faith anymore?

Paarsurrey answers: No; I am not becoming a Buddhist. I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim as before. I defend Buddha as I defend Jesus.

Christians don’t follow Jesus when they talk of Trinity; the same way when the Buddhists or Buddhism says that Buddha did not believe in the Creator God; when they say it they are totally wrong.

Was Jesus or Yashua God the Father Himself, manifest in the flesh?

November 27, 2011

Under the topic “teaching of mohamed and teaching of jesus”; there took place an interesting discussion if Jesus or Yashua was God-the-Father himself; one may view it at the following link on my favorite discussion forum:

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86269

I give here only the posts that are relevant to this sub-topic; one may view the whole posts, if one likes.

The Post of Disappearinghead which mentioned the claim that Yashua was God-the-Father himself in its second paragraph:

There is no trinity, agreed. It was a Catholic invention. However, Yashua was God the Father Himself manifest in the flesh, and the Holy Spirit is His presence when manifest upon the Earth. This is not hard to understand unless you choose to deny it.

1. Paarsurrey

Do you mean, I take refuge with the Creator God; that Jesus was husband of Mary; as per the “Christian” belief, as you state?

I don’t think Jesus ever claimed that.

2. Disappearinghead posted

I don’t understand what you mean Paar.

3. Paarsurrey

Christians think Jesus was god; rather as you say he was “god-the-father”; then the Christians say that Mary was begotten by god-the-father.

It is a wrong concept; because that makes Jesus , I take refuge with the Creator God, husband of Mary.

I don’t think you believe that.

When you say “Yashua was God the Father Himself manifest in the flesh”; what exactly you mean?

I want to understand.

4. Virgil Newsome

Christians do not believe Mary to be begotten by God. She was chosen by God to carry the Son of God and give birth to Him.

Is your god so weak he cannot manifest himself in human flesh?
There is where your problem lies. Jehovah can do whatever He pleases, and who can stop Him?

5. Paarsurrey

I find following in the Bible:

1 John 3:18
He that believeth in him is not judged. But he that doth not believe, is already judged: because he believeth not in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

2 1 John 4:9 By this hath the charity of God appeared towards us, because God hath sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we may live by him.

3 John 1:18

No man hath seen God at any time: the only begotten Son who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

http://www.drbo.org/cgi-bin/s?q=Jesus+b … rb&t=0

Is it a misconception of the sinful John only?

6. Disappearinghead

From what I understand of Islam, they say the Christians are the liars, that everything Jesus said was made up. They say God would never permit His prophet to die a cursed death, so He was never crucified in the first place. And then we get Paarsurrey who says Jesus went to live in India instead.

7. Emile R

My favorite is the one where he supposedly went to Iceland to learn to walk on water. I’m surprised I haven’t run across that story yet here on the forum.

8. Paarsurrey

Yes, Jesus did go to India; Buddhist record and Hindu scripture record Jesus going there.

If NT Bible fails to mention it; it is its failing and it shows that NT Bible was written by ignorant people who were not trusted by Jesus.

Jesus had to go secretly as Jews were in his pursuit to kill him. Jesus’ mother Mary and many other trusted companions of him joined him in his journey to India.

Muhammad and Jesus were both peaceful messengers of the Creator God.

9. Arksys

@paarsurrey – the time you are talking about where the Hindu scriptures and Buddhist record Jesus going there is during the “lost years” right? i.e. from childhood and the beginning of his ministry which is recorded in the New Testament. (Between ages of 12 to 30)

10. Couturepopcafe

Even under the most necessary of circumstances, under the best of conditions, that’s an awfully long walk.

11. Paarsurrey

Sure it was a long journey; yet he did it in love of the mission, he had been assigned by the Creator God, for guidance of the lost ten tribes of Israel who resided there.

12. Arksys

@disappearinghead – Islam does not say “everything Jesus said was made up”. If we believe he is a prophet then we cannot say he was wrong during his time of prophethood.

It is true that Jesus was not on the cross, instead it was another man who’s face was changed by God to look like Jesus. Of course God would not want his messenger to be harmed, they have the highest ranks among mankind.

@paarsurrey – there is nothing in islam about Jesus going to india as far as i know.

13. Paarsurrey

Jesus claimed that he would rise from the unconscious or near-dead, as did Jonah; he never said he would rise from the dead; that is why he cited similarity with Jonah; yet the Christians won’t believe Jesus.

14. Virgil Newsome

The problem is that you try to twist things around. Jonah survived without dying in the belly of a whale for three days? The stomach acid alone would have eaten up his flesh.

Jesus told Martha that He is the resurrection. Do you know what the word resurrection means? RESURREC’TION, n. s as z. [L. resurrectus, resurgo; re and surgo, to rise.]

A rising again; chiefly, the revival of the dead of the human race, or their return from the grave, particularly at the general judgment.

Jesus also said, “Tear this temple down and I will build it back in three days.” He was speaking of the temple of His body. One note to point out. He did not say God the Father will build it back. he used the pronoun I will build it back. So what He was saying is that He will raise Himself up again.

15. Paarsurrey

How do you know that Jesus was speaking about His body?

John has just given his errant opinion in John 2:19-21.

16. Virgil Newsome

Jesus said so in the Bible. Why is everyone errant in what they wrote except for Muhammad, who never wrote anything down? Now tell me this, did Muhammad die and raise himself up again from the dead? If not, how can you say that he is the same as Jesus?

Also, tell me where it states in the Koran that Jesus did not die on the cross.

Some believe that Judas and Jesus traded places without anyone knowing it. If that is what you believe, then how could you possibly know? Your arguments are full of holes and reek of propaganda. It reminds me of something Hitler once said, “Tell a lie enough times and they will start believing it.” (paraphrased)

17. Paarsurrey

Jesus did not say that he was referring to his own body; Jesus was clearly talking about the Jewish temple; it is the errant gospel writer who wants to make others to believe that Jesus was mentioning about his own body:

John:2-18-21

[18] The Jews, therefore, answered, and said to him: What sign dost thou shew unto us, seeing thou dost these things? [19] Jesus answered, and said to them: Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up. [20] The Jews then said: Six and forty years was this temple in building; and wilt thou raise it up in three days?

[21] But he spoke of the temple of his body. [22]

http://www.drbo.org/chapter/50002.htm

18. Emile R

Paar. Sometimes you present a somewhat reasonable argument. Other times, I have to label it babble unworthy of rebuttal.

19. Paarsurrey
Teaching of Mohamed and teaching of Jesus

– were similar if understood correctly and truthfully.

20. Virgil Newsome

Did Jesus ever demand jizya to be paid?

21. Paarsurrey

Jesus companions did not support him; they deserted him and fled away; though they were commanded to sell their clothes and buy swords; so Jesus left such companions and migrated to India, and neighboring countries where the lost ten tribes were settled; they accepted him and supported him and gave Jesus the title of Prince-the-Prophet or Prophet- the Prince.

OOO

Hubpages is a good discussion site; one could comment there or here in this blog; comments are most welcome.

http://hubpages.com/forum/topic/86269

“The holier they get, the scarier they get”

February 27, 2010

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/eboo_patel/2010/02/the_religious_textbooks_wars.html

Paarsurrey wrote:
February 26, 2010 7:27 AM

Hi friends

The Religion should be a part of the education of children in Schools; so that they have an idea of Ethics, Morals and the Spiritual progress. There is no harm if the point of view of the Seculars or Humanists or the Atheists is also accommodated in the text books.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Arkns wrote:
February 26, 2010 12:07 PM

Ahmadiyyas are peaceful Muslims. Unfortunately, they are persecuted in Pakistan. It seems someone told the Sunnis that they are the only true representatives of Islam. Meanwhile, the real McCoy is still out.

All this holy business in Islam, all this rigid viewpoints and ways of living is not amounting to much. Zilch would be nice but the overall effect is really negative, not even zero.

I have no problem with nonobservant Muslims. They are pretty nice. It is the devout ones that are scary. It seems that the holier they get, the scarier they get. One can see this when boarding a plane anywhere along with long bearded devout Muslims in skull caps. Their overwhelming piety makes the trip a scary one.

There are external laws of science as there are internal laws of the spirit. In the laboratory of the world, sodium plus chloride gives you sodium chloride. In the internal world, a longing heart plus religious practices (that is worth the paper they are written on) should give us a mellow heart. Spiritual practices must lead to an expanded consciousness, a heart that melts in empathy and love for fellow human beings. God and Prophet should lead you to universal love and compassion, not universal bloody-mindedness. I will question any God if the practices He prescribes leads towards hatred and not towards love.

Yes, from where I come from even God is answerable. Consider the Buddha who told Ananda, His chief disciple:
“Don’t accept something just because I said it. Go out and test what I say and accept it only if the results are positive but reject it if the results are negative”.

Thus spake Zarathustra!

Paarsurrey wrote:
February 27, 2010 8:35 AM

Hi friend arkns

I have enjoyed your entire post and agree with most of the points; in special the followings:
• The holier they get, the scarier they get.
• In the internal world, a longing heart plus religious practices (that is worth the paper they are written on) should give us a mellow heart.
• Buddha who told Ananda:”Don’t accept something just because I said it. Go out and test what I say and accept it only if the results are positive but reject it if the results are negative”.

Just a little question:

Are you a Buddhist or Zoroastrian? I hold them both in good esteem.

Regards

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Did the scribes go to heaven with Jesus and returned to earth to witness where Jesus was seated?

May 16, 2009

Collin Messer says:

Then you don’t believe anything in the Bible after Jesus was resurrected from the tomb? Then you will not believe Paul’s words in 2 Timothy 3:16 where is says, “All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness…” Paul’s (nor the others) words are in line with Jesus’ teachings, so how is it to be believed that they made it up?

Also, what makes you say that Jesus and Mary headed off to India? You say “I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran”. What does it say?

Collin

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Collin Messer

I believe that God Allah YHWH revealed his Word on Jesus.

I only prefer Jesus over the clever Paul and the sinful scribes; Jesus never wrote or dictated any account of his life, so there is no credulity to the writings of these people. As I said in my earlier post neither God nor Jesus breathed anything in these peoples ear; it was the killer Paul doing it in their ears; none else.

Since Jesus was alive and traveling towards India, so this was against his will and totally not in line with Jesus’ teachings.

When Jesus survived death on the Cross; he still feared being caught by the Jews in Judea. I don’t see any difficulty in understanding that he went to the East? Is it difficult to go to India than ascending to the heaven with false witnesses describing that he got seated on the right hand of the father? Did the scribes go to heaven with Jesus and then return to earth to witness that Jesus seated there? Of course, it is just a made up fable out of thin air or a myth carved from nothing. It is just an attempt to blind the simple people.

Neither there is any spiritual proof of Jesus ascending to heaven nor a historical proof to that end. Let Jesus be free from all this; and let him go to Kashmir- the heaven on Earth. He was welcome there. Jesus visit to India has been described in the contemporary Hindu scripture, the Buddhist religious records as also by the Muslim historian.

I think it is not difficult to understand it; just google for Jesus in India; and a lot of relevant stuff would show up. Later you may think over it.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran; not the mythical Jesus of Bible.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim.

No Buddhist who believes prophecy of Metteyya could deny coming of Bagwa Metteyya or Jesus Christ Messiah to India

May 3, 2009

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, the Second Coming says:

The people of the land of this prophecy, i.e., the people of Magadh, in which was located Bajagriha, were dark. Gautama Buddha himself was dark. He had narrated to his followers two conclusive signs regarding the future Buddha; (1) that he would be ‘Bagwa’ or of white skin and (2) that he would be ‘Metteyya’, i.e., traveller, and that he would come from a foreign land. These people, therefore, always looked out for these signs till they actually saw Jesus.

Every Buddhist must necessarily profess the belief that five hundred years after the Buddha, the Bagwa (white) Metteyya did appear in their land. It should not be surprising, therefore, if books of the Buddhist faith should mention the coming of the Metteyya, i.e., of the Masiha, to their land, and of the fulfillment of his prophecy. Supposing there were not such mention, even then, because on this basis of divine revelation the Buddha had held out to his disciples the hope that the Bagwa Metteyya would come to their land, no Buddhist who was cognizant of this prophecy could deny the coming to this land of the Bagwa Metteyya, whose other name was Masiha; for the non-fulfilment of the prophecy would prove the falsity of the faith.

If the prophecy, for the fulfilment of which a time had been fixed and which Gautama Buddha had narrated to his disciples again and again had not been fulfilled at the ripe time, the followers of the Buddha would have doubted his truth and it would have been stated in books that this prophecy had not been fulfilled. Another argument in support of the fulfilment of this prophecy is, that in Tibet in the seventh century A.D. there were found books which contained the word Messiah, i.e., they mention the name of Jesus (on whom be peace) recorded as Mi-Shi-Hu. The compiler of the list which contained the word Mi-Shi-Hu is a Buddhist.

See A record of the Buddhist Religion by I. Tsing, translation by G. Takakusu. This Takakusu is a Japanese who has translated I. Tsing’s book, and I. Tsing is a Chinese traveller — on the margin and in the appendix to whose book Takakusu states that an ancient book contains the name Mi-Shi-Hu (Masih). This book belongs approximately to the seventh century; it was recently translated by a Japanese, G. Takakusu by name, and published by Clarendon Press, Oxford12. The book in any case contains the word Masih which shows with certainty that this word is not imported by the adherents of Buddha’s religion from outside; rather, it was taken from the prophecy of the Buddha and was written, sometimes as Masih and sometimes as Bagwa Metteyya.
http://www.alislam.org/library/books/jesus-in-india/ch4.html