Posts Tagged ‘blind faith’

Jesus did not know it; blind–faith and wrong interpretation of the Christians made Jesus god and or son of god

March 5, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/

paarsurrey
MAR 05, 2014 @ 21:55:04

@One Skeptic:MAR 04, 2014 @ 23:04:14
“Faith and interpretation. Not evidence and not fact.” Unquote

I think it would be more correct to say that it is blind –faith and wrong interpretation of the Christians that they following Paul and the Church and make Jesus a god or son of god against express core teachings of Jesus and Moses and the prophets of the OT. Jesus would love to worship the One-True-God and abhor anything against it.

Quran mentions it:

[4:172] O People of the Book, exceed not the limits in your religion, and say not of Allah anything but the truth. Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, was only a Messenger of Allah and a fulfilment of His word which He sent down to Mary, and a mercy from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers, and say not ‘They are three.’ Desist, it will be better for you. Verily, Allah is the only One God. Far is it from His Holiness that He should have a son. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth. And sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.
[4:173] Surely, the Messiah will never disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor will the angels near unto God; and whoso disdains to worship Him and feels proud, He will gather them all to Himself.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=4&verse=172

Thanks

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paarsurrey
MAR 05, 2014 @ 22:05:27

@One Skeptic:MAR 05, 2014 @ 10:43:07

I agree with you.

The Catholic Encyclopedia mentions that the gospels were written by some anonymous scribes; and that these were named after the disciples of Jesus only to add credence for the public.

Matthew might have been unaware as to what has been written in his name by Paul and or the Church.

Thanks

Buddha on blind faith

June 22, 2013

Paarsurrey wrote:

#43 I don’t necessarily need to quote any Sutta for following reasons:

1. Suttas were not written by Buddha. So why insist on quoting them?

2. They are said to consist on 40/43 volumes; not possible to go through them all for an ordinary man.

3. Buddha himself spoke that scriptures and the monks should not be relied upon with blind faith; I quote from Kalama Sutta in this connection:

“Do not go upon what has been acquired by repeated hearing,
nor upon tradition,
nor upon rumor,
nor upon what is in a scripture,
nor upon surmise,
nor upon an axiom,
nor upon specious reasoning,
nor upon a bias towards a notion that has been pondered over,
nor upon another’s seeming ability,
nor upon the consideration, “The monk is our teacher.””

4. I understand that some scholars say that little or nothing goes back to the Buddha. Some have has little confidence that much, if any, of surviving Buddhist scripture is actually the word of the historical Buddha.

5. I don’t say they are false and should be rejected; they might contain diluted teachings of Buddha; and affected by the influence of Nāstika schools of philosophies during the times between Buddha and when the scriptures were compiled/written down.

A parallel in this regard could be had from what happened to the teachings of Jesus after when he migrated from Judea after the event of crucifixion in which he survived and came to India.

Quran is the living Word of one true God; NT Bible is a book of fiction

April 13, 2013

Jesus did receive word of Revelation from the one true God; but he neither wrote it down nor did he dictate it to anybody nor he authorized anybody to write it down on his behalf; the whole of NT is an unauthorized book in this respect. I don’t deny that all books of fiction do have some realities within their folds, literally or metaphorically; that is why people do attract to such fictional works, bible could not be an exception to these reasons, I think. I therefore respect it; but truth has to be spoken and unearthed.

Quran is Word of God revealed/descended on the heart of Muhammad under a ‎remarkable natural system, which no other “Book” in this world has ever had; and that ‎also proves that it is not authored by Muhammad; but it is from God Allah YHWH.

I would like to mention the way the ‎Quran was revealed and that would also dispel any doubts in the mind of viewers of this ‎discourse about Quran.The text of none of the sacred Scriptures, claimed to‎ have been revealed before the Quran, has been preserved intact. They all need to be respected though.

I want to quote here something about Quran:

Quote:

“They have all have been interfered with to such an extent that an
earnest seeker after truth finds it impossible to adopt any of‎
them as a practical guide for right conduct.
In contrast with
this, the text of the Quran has been preserved intact and every
word of it has come down to us as free from interference and
interpolation as when it was revealed to the Holy Prophet
one thousand four hundred years ago.‎
The Quran began to be revealed at the outset of the Mission
of the Holy Prophet.

The first revelation, comprising only a
few verses, was received by him in the Hira Cave. Thereafter
the revelation continued till his death. Thus the total period
during which the entire Quran was revealed extended to
twenty-three years.

We know, on the basis of the testimony of
his contemporaries, that in the beginning revelation came to the
Prophet at intervals and in small bits, but as time passed it
grew both in volume and in frequency till in the last years
of his life it swelled into an almost continuous stream. ‎
One reason for this, among others, was that the teachings contained
in this revelation were altogether novel and it was not easy
for people to grasp their full significance. Therefore the Quran
was revealed in small portions in the beginning. But after
the basic principles of Islam had been fully grasped and it
became comparatively easy for people to understand the teachings
and the topics dealt with in the Quran, the revelation began‎
to arrive faster and in larger volume. ‎

The object was that all
Muslims should be enabled fully to grasp the teachings of the
Quran. Another reason was that the number of Muslims was
very small in the beginning and, as God intended that the text
of the Quran should be scrupulously preserved and that it
should not become the subject of any doubt, only small portions
were revealed at a time in the beginning and there was always
an interval, sometimes extending to several months, between
the revelation of one group of verses and the next.

In this manner the few Muslims were enabled to commit the whole
revelation to memory, so as to place the matter of the preservation‎
of the text beyond doubt. When the number of Muslims
began to increase and the safe-guarding and preservation of the
text of the Quran became easier, the revelation began to arrive
faster.

Towards the close of the Holy Prophet’s life the number
of Muslims exceeded a hundred thousand and the memorizing
of the Quran became very easy. At that time the revelation
came faster still. By this divine plan the purity of the text of
the Quran was placed beyond doubt.

During the Caliphate of ‘Uthman seven copies of the Quran‎
were despatched to different parts of the Muslim world and they
in turn became the standard texts from which other copies were
made and thereafter in each generation hundreds of thousands
of people have been in the habit of committing the entire text
of the Quran to memory.

Even the bitterest enemies of Islam
do not allege that any interference with the text of the Quran has
taken place since the time of ‘Uthman. Those who seek to
raise doubts regarding the purity of the text of the Quran direct
their criticism to the period between the death of the Holy
Prophet and the Caliphate of ‘Uthman.

Whenever any portion of the Quran was revealed to the Holy
Prophet, he used to commit it to memory and, as he continuously
recited the Quran from one end to the other, he always
carried the whole of the revealed Quran at all times in his
memory.

Unquote

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

I think it reasonably explains that the text of the Quran as spoken by God Allah YHWH ‎to Muhammad is secure without any doubt.‎
Quran mentions the essential accounts of life of Jesus and Mary; so the accounts of the Bible could be checked and purified in its light. Love for all; hatred for none.

One should not accept the contents mentioned above in blind-faith; one should accept them after due search and research.
Thanks

paarsurrey writes

May 26, 2012

I am these day writing on<http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/>; I have contributed my posts in the following threads:

  1. Blind faith equally deplorable both in science and religion
  2. Buddha believed in purdah
  3. There is no contradiction in Religion and Science
  4. Buddha spoke vehemently against Skepticism agnosticism
  5. There is nothing in Kalama Sutta that supports Atheists
  6. Buddha believed in the Creator God
  7. The Gospel of Buddha
  8. Christopher Hitchens is wrong to say “There is no Eastern solution”
  9. Buddha proved- the truthful Religion is not man-made
  10. Buddha talked of purification of self
  11. How did Buddha meet his dead mother in heaven?
  12. Buddha favors religion and shuns having no-religion 
  13. Can science prove or disprove the existence of a Spiritual existence? God? 

The viewers of my blog may like to read my posts on these topics.

The viewers could make their comments there or here in this blog. I value their comments,

Those who don’t repeat scientific experiments themselves have blind faith in science and scientists

May 24, 2012

I am not against science; I am against those who eulogize science beyond its limit. Science is sought by experiments in the lab; yet how many people among the eulogizers who are not themselves the real scientists repeat those experiments? They don’t repeat them; so their faith in science or the scientists is a blind faith.

I think it is not difficult to understand.

Blind faith equally deplorable both in science and religion

May 24, 2012

 

 

I think those who claim that science can prove or disprove the one true God have blind faith in science.
None of the founders of revealed religions ever vouched for blind faith. Those who doubt they should quote from Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus etc. in this connection.
Kalama Sutta is one such example; does it advocate blind faith?

Blind faith in Science

May 22, 2012

Question: Can science prove or disprove the existence of a Spiritual existence? God?

Paarsurrey says: Science has no tools to ascertain the Creator God.
The Creator God is attributive; He is everywhere with His attributes. Quran does not state that the Creator God is physical; hence He is out of the physical phenomenon and is out of the scope of the science; science has no tools to ascertain the Creator God; the truthful religion never claimed that He is physical or spiritual; the Creator God is only attributive.

I think those who claim that science can prove or disprove the Creator God have blind faith in science

One true God has influence on the physical realm on regular basis; but He has maintained a balance; a believer sees Him in everything that happens and the non-believer does not see any influence of Him in anything. One can reach Him only in the ways He has told one could reach Him; not otherwise; hence there will always be a divide on the issue; neither side winning while claiming superiority that they have won.

Reason of itself is blind; it always needs a conjugal partner to ascertain things. For things happened in the past reason needs history or archaeology etc., for the present one needs radio, television, newspaper etc. and for future just most of a conjecture.

 Human eyes cannot see things without light; human ear needs a medium to hear.

 Religion is not against science or knowledge; please quote just one founder of the revealed religions like Buddha, Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster and Jesus who ever spoke against science or knowledge or acquiring them.

In the moral and the spiritual realm; instead of experiments there are experiences, visions, revelations.

 I don’t think that the values of a piece of art could be assessed accurately by any physical experiments in the lab; one assesses it with one’s aesthetic sense developed over a period of time and in the company of artists.

 Humans need both science and religion; like one naturally and comfortably walks with both the legs; the same way humans travel the journey of life with both the science and religion; while there could be and are people having blind faith in science the same way there could be in religion; common on both sides; but truthful religion does not approve of them.

 

faith is neither a leap in the dark nor a blind-faith

January 30, 2010

“Substance and Strong Dreams…”
http://pmespeak.com/2010/01/29/substance-and-poweful-dreams/

Pmespeak wrote:

Faith is a substance of hopeful Prayer and powerful Dreams. Faith is not a blind leap into the dark; believing in something just for the sake of believing; or for the sake of being positively hopeful.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend pmespeak

I agree with you. Productive faith is neither a leap in the dark nor a blind-faith. It is the consistent and steadfast path/way of the Prophets Messengers of the Creator- God Allah YHWH who were rewarded by Him by His Word of Revelation. In fact these righteous persons were the cream of humanity whose constant search for truth and prayers did bore fruits. The future of humanity and peace indeed rests on following these persons with confidence. Such persons came in all the nations and the regions of the world. We see that if Judea and Arabian Peninsula were enlightened with the revelation of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad; the Persia was illuminated by Zoroaster and the Cyrus the Great; China was guided by Buddha, Confucius and India by Krishna and now lately by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah, the Second Coming of Jesus and the Imam Mahdi.

We should be guided by all these truthful persons.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

One should follow Muhammad as he is a truthful Messenger of God Allah YHWH

June 23, 2009

Maaark says:

Your understanding of Christianity seems very shallow like you have only read about it ‎from hostile people. You say many things about Christianity but not much about your ‎own faith. If you were to convince me that Christianity is wrong there is still no reason to ‎become Islam. Can you tell me why I would or should follow the prophet Muhammad?

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend maaark

I have read the Bible from cover to cover; and I think that should be sufficient for me. I ‎have never said that teachings of Jesus and acts of Jesus were wrong; I can never say that; ‎and that is what the Christianity should be. Christianity should consist of logically on ‎teachings of Jesus and what Jesus did. If the present Christianity with all its 32000+ ‎denominations is not what Jesus taught and did; sorry I would say then they are wrong. If ‎the Christians (belonging to all 32000+ denominations) opted instead to follow cunning ‎Paul, an enemy of Jesus, and the sinful scribes; you could very well understand that I ‎won’t believe them truthful.

I have no claim to be a scholar or an expert. I have no blindfaith; if my knowledge is ‎shallow, I would welcome anybody who makes it deeper with rational and logical ‎arguments.

I give reasons and arguments; if the same appeal you and convince you, there is nothing ‎wrong with it; if the same does not appeal you or convince you; you could give your own ‎arguments and reasons to convince me. I am an open mind; I won’t mind.

You may ask any question about my faith and I would try to help you understand it.

You should follow Muhammad as he was a truthful Messenger of God Allah YHWH.

I love Jesus and Mary as I love Moses and his mother.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Paul8bee: Would you please explain significance and rationality of followings concepts of friend Ron Ash, an Agnostic

June 8, 2009

Paarsurrey says:

I have received following e-mails from our friend Ron Ash of: disciplesofloveministries.weebly.com
I understand that Atheists, Agnostics and Not-Theists are intelligent persons and since they don’t believe in blind faith; and rightly so, one thinks they would present things in a scientific way.

Presently I know following denominations of those who don’t believe that there is a Creator of this world or Universe:

• Atheists
• Agnostics
• Not- Theists

If there is yet another denomination; I would appreciate if somebody please mentions it.

I love Buddha and Socrates, wise men from God Allah YHWH- the All-Wise

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

E-mails from Ron Ashs:

1. Ron Ash
“We are our souls and our spirits created in the image of God.” (Ron Ash)

2. Ron Ash

“The best hope for an Atheist is that heaven is just a dream and hell is but a nightmare.” (Ron Ash)

3. Ron Ash

“Often when we don’t get the answer we want it is, because we asked the wrong questions.” (Ron Ash)