Posts Tagged ‘Bible’

In search of truth

April 1, 2014

The viewers are advised to visit the link given below to know the context of discussion and then from their independent and sincere opinion.

http://anaivethinker.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/how-i-became-an-atheist/comment-page-1/#comment-121

paarsurrey | April 1, 2014 at 2:53 pm

@ anaivethinker
“. . I would have to try to make evolution and religion work together. . .
. . .
. . .
Do you have a similar experience? Do you know someone with a similar experience? Feel free to comment or question about anything.” Unquote

The observation was correct that evolution/science work together; but the decision was incorrect to become Atheist/Agnostic/Skeptic.

If Bible/Christianity was wrong on occasions; it does not prove Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism automatically correct. Truth of Atheism/Agnosticism/Skepticism must be proved correct on its own merit.

Truth must be proved of every religions or non-religion on some common criteria.

So your search for truth is incomplete. You went from one extreme to another extreme.

Thanks and regards

Quote archaeological site mentioned in Quran proved wrong with “consensus”: Moses and Abraham

March 27, 2014

The viewers of this blog are encouraged to access the following link to know the context of the dialogue and then form their own opinion independently and freely:

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13605

PAARSURREY says:
March 27, 2014 at 11:11 pm

@JOHN ZANDE : March 27, 2014 at 9:57 pm :@ N℮ÜҐ☼N☮☂℮Ṧ :March 27, 2014 at 10:19 pm

“That’s the absolute archaeological consensus, Paar”
“And the historical/archaeological findings about Moses and Abraham”

One should not be in the habit of making generalization; at least before making any bold claims one should verify the specific reference one intends to make; wisdom requires it.

This only proves the veracity and tenacity of Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

They only checked archaeological sites mentioned in Bible; so their “consensus” is only valid for Bible, Christians, Jews; it has absolutely no bearing on Islam/Quran/Muhammad.

Please quote an archaeological site mentioned in Quran that has proved to be wrong with “consensus”.

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/features/world/asia/israel/abraham-text

Quran clearly mentions that the Jews and Christian scholars had been involved into tampering with their scriptures; now this has been proved right, even the Atheists/Agnostics/Skeptics would witness to it.

Nothing personal, please

Regards

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13612

PAARSURREY says:
March 28, 2014 at 10:50 am

@JOHN ZANDE :March 27, 2014 at 11:48 pm

Their findings are with reference to Bible; it is not with reference to Quran. Muhammad received Revelation of Quran from the One-True-God directly; its truth has shone like daylight.

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/a-reason-to-believe/comment-page-1/#comment-13615

PAARSURREY says:
March 28, 2014 at 11:52 am
@JOHN ZANDE :March 28, 2014 at 11:36 am
“Does the Qur’an, or does it not, talk about Abraham and Moses as if they were real people?Yes or No?” Unquote

I mentioned that Muhammad received Revelation of Quran from the One-True-God directly ; it has got nothing to do with the OT Bible or NT Bible.

Narratives of Bible had been proved wrong which were being searched into from the sites excavated mentioned in the Bible.

Narratives of Quran are still intact.

I don’t know as to why one cannot get it.

How to make a comparative study of Religion?

March 25, 2014

Please click the following link to get the context of the discussion.

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/comments/belief/#comment-8876

paarsurrey
MAR 25, 2014 @ 23:05:55

@unkleE :MAR 21, 2014 @ 03:22:18
Quote : “Hi paarsurrey, how are you going?
You have built this comment around the statement that to know God, we need a revealed book. What you say raises three questions in my mind:
1. Must God reveal himself through a book? Could he ever do it some other way?
2. How do we know which book is the truest revelation of God?
3. How would you propose to discuss these things? If, for example, you simply quoted the Koran and I quoted the Bible, we would get nowhere. So how else can we discuss?
Thanks.” Unquote

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend
I am fine.

“The statement that to know God, we need a revealed book”

I think I did not literally make that statement. Well, I don’t object if one has got that understanding from the post.

unkleE : “to know God, we need a revealed book”
Paarsurrey: To know God and as to how his attributes work; His Word is most useful for that purpose.

I think you also agree with me on this point.

Don’t you?

I try to answer to your other questions below:

1. unkleE :“Must God reveal himself through a book?

Paarsurrey: I think you agree that God revealed Himself on Moses and Jesus; and a Jew or Christian cannot deny that.

Perhaps you want to know from me as to why He did manifest in this way.

Since the One-True-God (Allah Yahweh Ahura-Mazda Parmeshawara Eshawara) is only attributive; He is not a physical or spiritual being that we could see Him with our physical eyes; though we can see his attributes working behind everything in Nature, in silence.

Yet it has always been primarily His communication or Converse through which He had manifested to human beings. Hence the importance of the spoken Word of Revelation which is verbal when revealed and also secured in writing, in the book form, is the most important source of guidance that leads to Him; it can never be over-emphasized.

Nature manifests Him silently but the Word speaks of Him loudly.

unkleE : “Could he ever do it some other way?”

Paarsurrey: Yes; He could manifest Himself in diverse ways; and nobody could limit the ways of his manifestations; yet He cannot be limited by anybody or forced by anybody to change His ways:

[35:44] …………………………….. But thou wilt never find any change in the way of Allah; nor wilt thou ever find any alteration in the way of Allah.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=35&verse=43

For one; all truthful revelation from the One-True-God is to be believed; be it of the past, present and or future; be it on Buddha, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Jesus, and Muhammad etc; all is to be believed; being from the same source of one God.

2. unkleE: How do we know which book is the truest revelation of God?

Paarsurrey:
a. By comparative study

b. And the reasonable inner-evidence of the Word Revealed according to the attributes of the One-True-God. We could do that; not at all difficult to discern.

3. unkleE: How would you propose to discuss these things? If, for example, you simply quoted the Koran and I quoted the Bible, we would get nowhere.

Paarsurrey: I think you have observed me quoting from the revelations of Moses, Jesus and Muhammad in this connection; I don’t think it will pose a problem even now.

These quotes should not depict simply the authority of God; but the reason/wisdom content in the same must reflect the attribute of God being All-Wise. The quotes must therefore be full of evident reason and wisdom. The gist of the reason must exist there.

It is not a perfect Book if it needs external reasons to be provided; that portion which is devoid of reason must not be from Him.

Nobody is entitled to put words into God’s mouth; He is all-knowing.

Does it help?

What is your thinking on your three questions?

Regards

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/comments/belief/#comment-8878

paarsurrey
MAR 26, 2014 @ 11:53:30
@unkleE: MAR 26, 2014 @ 06:54:25

“if we discuss the revelations we each believe in, how can we draw any conclusions? ”

I think I said that I believe all truthful Word revealed from the One-True-God on His prophets messengers; I even mentioned names of some of them.

I don’t see any problem.

“unless we already have some truth outside the books by which to judge their truth”

If the revelation is truthful; it would have inner truthful evidences also.

“We would need some criteria by which to make our comparisons”

I mentioned reasonable criteria.

“I was using historical and scientific learning”

People write history differently; it is not 100% correct. There was a period when there existed no written history; Truth existed even then.

Science is only a child of the yesterday and works in the things physical and material; Religion guides in ethical, moral and spiritual realms; both work in different spheres. Science cannot prove or disprove important subjects of religion like existence of God.

This is what I think; others could think differently

Regard

Pontius Pilate: Jesus Christ: Empty Tomb: Bible

March 24, 2014

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/03/20/pontius-our-pilot-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5492

paarsurrey says:
March 24, 2014 at 6:28 am

@JERICHO BRISANCE
“From a historical point of view, the reader should ask a very sensible question at this point: how does Mark know what passed between Jesus and Pilate at all?”

It is a good question; a good idea.

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/03/20/pontius-our-pilot-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5493

paarsurrey says:
March 24, 2014 at 6:39 am

@JERICHO BRISANCE
“or (Mark) working from rumors that may have passed around at second or third hand from Roman soldiers or Jewish accusers.”

I agree with you.
All NT Gospels consist of the second and or third hand (nobody know for sure how many hands?) information or rumors.
Like Matthew says that all the disciples of Jesus fled away from the site of Crucifixion of Jesus; then either he himself was not a disciple of Jesus to narrate the events or he was narrating it on the “evidence” of rumors he liked most.

Regards

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/03/20/pontius-our-pilot-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5496

paarsurrey says:

March 24, 2014 at 6:52 am

@archaeopteryx1 says: March 22, 2014 at 4:19 pm
“You left out the discovery of the empty tomb.”

Jesus could himself roll out the stone and get out of the tomb; after treatment of his wounds by the physicians in the tomb; that could be the “mystery” of the empty tomb.

Regards

In preparation to welcome Jesus’ Second Coming

March 15, 2014

I have written a post on the following blog of uncleE; the viewers could add their valuable comments here even if they differ.

“Is there a God?”
“Welcome to atheists (and others)”

http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/#comment-8835

paarsurrey
MAR 15, 2014 @ 12:33:13

In fact a movement for purification of Bible (NT) is needed.

1. What Jesus actually said and quoted by Bible should be jotted down.
2. Jesus’ core teachings should be distinctively noted as his firm and unambiguous teachings; and it should form as touchstone of his sayings
3. All such sayings which are dubious and not as firm as the core teachings should be interpreted under the firm meanings of the core teachings; else separated as weak narrations or fabricated in his name and not having told by Jesus.
4. For the contradictory verses; those which are against reason or common sense and not in line with the core teachings should be discarded.
5. All such teachings which in essence have no origin in the OT should be discarded as Jesus was a Jew and his advent was for the revival of the teachings of Moses.

This way the Christians could come out from the mess that was started by Paul and associated by the Church.

These points have been inferred from the core teachings of Jesus as already mentioned by me in this thread.

Yet; this is to be done by the Christians themselves while they get prepared to join in and to welcome Jesus’ Second Coming which has in fact already taken place.

Thanks and regards

Clues hidden under the apparent surface of the text of Bible come to light

March 12, 2014

I have given response to the following comments of my Catholic friend “trueandreasonable”

http://trueandreasonable.co/
https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/christians-should-accept-jesus-core-teachings-of-jesus/#comment-4314

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2014/03/10/christians-should-accept-jesus-core-teachings-of-jesus/#comment-4318

paarsurrey Says:
March 12, 2014 at 12:31 pm | Reply edit

@ trueandreasonable :March 11, 2014 at 11:46 pm
I am pleased to learn that you are Catholic; I always hold them with high esteem.

I will discuss your second passage at first.

It is your blind faith or that is what you have been made to believe by sinful Paul and the Church that innocent Jesus died on the Cross. It is not history as it never happened actually.
Paul invented this creed or myth for a purpose or for his vested interest; may be not for much financial gains but otherwise. I don’t want to start Paul bashing though; yet for the love of innocent Jesus I have to decipher the coded truth.

Those who commit stealing always leave clues by which an intelligent person would locate the stealers. Those who deceive also keep other things unchanged for credulity to the ordinary persons and only change things or fabricate things only the ones which support their purpose.

If one analyzes the events of the Bible, which you know was not written by Jesus; where the accounts of crucifixion of Jesus has been narrated; it is not difficult to find the clues hidden under the apparent surface of the text.
Evidences that Jesus did not die on the Cross but he got miraculously survived always existed but the first person who combined all such material in the form of a small book of about 122 pages titled “Jesus in India” is written by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908 the Promised Messiah.

The main points of the book “Jesus in India” are given below:

1. Jesus did not die on the Cross; he survived a cursed death on it.
2. Jesus was treated for his injuries inflicted on him on the Cross in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea.
3. When Jesus’ injuries on the Cross were healed to the extent he could make a journey; he came out of the tomb and he met his disciples secretly to tell them that he survived and is the same person with the same body he had before he was put on the Cross.
4. Then he went to Galilee; he did not and could not ascend to heavens; instead he secretly going up the hill went towards India; along with his mother Mary.
5. Jesus traveled to India in search of and to meet the ten lost tribes of house of Israel who were settled in different parts of India.
6. The book provided the root map of Jesus travel to India.
7. Jesus visited different part of India and ultimately settled in Kashmir, India.
8. He died a natural and physical death in India; and his grave is still found at Mohalla Khanyar, Srinagar, Kashmir, India.
9. Jesus is not to come again literally and physically and his symbolic Second Coming has been fulfilled in the person of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908.

I give below the headings of the chapters of the book just for introduction of the contents of the same.

Chapter 1
• Evidence from the Gospels
Chapter 2
• Evidence from the Quran and Authentic traditions
Chapter 3
• Evidence derived from Medical Literature
• List of Books mentioning Marham-i-Isa (ointment of Jesus), and that the Ointment was Prepared for Jesus’ Wounds
Chapter 4
• Evidence from Historical Records
Section 1:
• Evidence from Islamic literature concerning Jesus’ journeys
• Probable Route Map of Jesus’ Journey to India
Section 2:
• Evidence from Buddhist Records
Section 3:
• Evidence from Historical Writings which Show that Jesus’ Journey to the Punjab and Neighbouring Territories was Inevitable
• List of 24 Tribes of Abdalees
Appendix

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_India_(book)

The book is available online in PDF format freely; the link given below.

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Jesus-in-India.pdf

Thanks

Catholic Church : JUDAISM ONLINE:Jesus’ Post-Resurrectional Appearances:Genealogical Contradictions

March 5, 2014

For the benefit of the viewers of this blog:

“The Catholic Church’s Response to Our Critique of Christian Credibility”: from SimpleToRemember.com: JUDAISM ONLINE

http://www.simpletoremember.com/vitals/jewsandjesus.htm

On following topics:
I. Post-Resurrectional Appearances: Galilee or Jerusalem?
II. Genealogical Contradictions
III. The Virginal Conception

Courtesy:
“One Skeptic”
MAR 05, 2014 @ 13:04:53
http://www.is-there-a-god.info/blog/about/welcome-to-atheists-and-others/
Thanks and regards

Christians! Please reply to the Atheists for “1214 Cruel and violent passages in Bible”

March 5, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:
“Dwindling In Unbelief”
“Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogid=26149572&postid=114987521408797161&page=2&token=1393790601994

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/it-is-up-to-the-atheists-they-all-may-join-in-to-prove-violence-in-quran-verse-by-verse-from-the-context/#comment-4262

paarsurrey Says: March 5, 2014 at 8:33 pm | Reply edit
@bobbierileyjr: March 4, 2014 at 12:39 am |

“Such methods stand in stark contrast to the teachings of Jesus to win men and women for the Kingdom of God by proclaiming the Good News of God’s saving grace through the atoning sacrifice of Christ.” Unquote

I think you did not notice perhaps; the blog to which I had given response is owned by the atheists by the name “Dwindling In Unbelief” and the topic is “Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”; link below:

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/

If you think that there is no violence in Bible; then be pleased to respond to them directly and prove to them. The Atheists assert that there are 1214 Cruel or Violent Passages in the Bible.

Please feel free to prove to them directly that there are no cruel or violent passages/verses in the Bible.
Thanks and regards.

Let the masses understand life in easy terms please

January 15, 2014

I wrote following post for the benefit of the public at

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/young-earth-creationists-make-their-point/#comment-1200953312

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paarsurrey @ Captain Cassidy

Quoting your words:

“If there’s no literal Creation, then there can’t be a literal Fall, and from there no literal Original Sin, which means there’s no need for a literal Jesus to die and be apparently risen again. There might not even be a real hell or heaven to threaten or entice people with.” Unquote

Quran here comes to the rescue of the Bible for correct understanding of the things lost its originality due to the manipulation of the scribes of Bible.

Taking the narrative of Adam’s creation as literal is a misunderstanding of the scribes and is wrong. Adam was not the first man created/evolved; man might have evolved in millions of years as science has deciphered it rightly now. Adam and Eve were the first people chosen for the direct Converse with the One-True-God as the words ““[9] And the Lord God called Adam, and said to him: Where art thou?”
It also is the mistake of the eulogizers of science and scientists to take the Word Revealed on Krishna, Moses, Jesus etc as if they were writing text books of science; they never claimed as such.

It is easy for the ordinary/common man to understand the things in nutshell and in a symbolic or poetic way than in terms of the formulas, equations and other difficult terminologies of science; which is the job of Scientist to do and they must do it for the benefit of the human society.
So, please let it be simple. Let the masses understand life in easy terms.

Thanks

Quran here comes to the rescue of the Bible

January 12, 2014

Dan Wilkinson has written a post on Patheos blog on January 9, 2014 titled “Creationist Ken Ham versus the Truth”;The post could be viewed by the viewers of Paarsurrey blog at the following link:

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/unfundamentalistchristians/2014/01/creationist-ken-ham-versus-the-truth/

I have contributed many comments on the post; some of them have already been published in my blog “paarsurrey” together with the comments of those who have commented on my comments; yet more are given below for the benefit of the viewers of this blog:

paarsurrey @ Dan Wilkinson:

@ Dan Wilkinson; he says in the main article, and I quote from him:

“They’re leaving the church because by essentially demonizing everyone who doesn’t agree with you, you’ve made believing in Young Earth Creationism* more important than Jesus’ explicit commandment to love God and neighbor.” and the sign (*) has been elaborated in the end:

“*The belief, born of a literal interpretation of the creation narrative in Genesis, that God created the world in six 24-hour days only 6,000 years ago.”

Here Quran comes to the rescue of Bible:

[32:6] He will plan the Divine Ordinance from the heaven unto
the earth, then shall it go up to Him in a day the duration of which is a
thousand years according to what you reckon.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/s…
[70:5] The angels and the Spirit ascend to Him in a day the measure
of which is fifty thousand years.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/s…

A day is a period; its duration would change as the subject changes.