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Is Quran a book? In what sense?

February 9, 2012

Is Quran a book? In what sense?

I started a thread at the forum RationalSkepticism.org; a good atheist forum. The title of the thread is “Christopher Hitchens’ book “GOD is NOT GREAT”” http://www.rationalskepticism.org/nontheism/christopher-hitchens-book-god-is-not-great-t29000.html.
A good discussion started.

I give hereunder one of my post #396

An Atheist wrote:

The word used in the Quran is “al-Kitab”, which translates unequivocally as “book”.

#396 by paarsurrey

The root of the word “Kitab” is k-t-b which tells us that it means something which is in a good natural and meaningful system; is divided in chapters each meaningful in its own and then it is linked to the adjoining chapters and the whole of it in a very elaborate system; is an ethical, moral and spiritual law containing commandments and prohibitions guiding to a sublime purpose. In this sense this Recitation-Quran is called the “Book”.

One could know it better from the word “kutaibah” from the same root k-t-b, in use for a regiment -a military formation varying in size from a battalion to a number of battalions of an army; an organized group or unit systematically linked to the main Force; having an elaborate system of its own structured with the main; performing with the adjoining regiments in unison.

I think I mentioned it here earlier that as an auxiliary measure to preserve it was also committed to writing for public convenience but the original Recitation is verbal ; nevertheless both exist undoubtedly, supporting one another.

http://www.rationalskepticism.org/nontheism/christopher-hitchens-book-god-is-not-great-t29000-380.html

One may comment here in this blog or on the above link for further discussion in the matter.

Quran- the Revelation of systems like unto the Universe

February 10, 2010

http://forum.richarddawkins.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=108741&p=2717417#p2717417

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Astreja
So you only attempted to make one and could not accomplish it; just made a sentence or two.

Astreja wrote:

The part that I paraphrased here in the forum is a very abbreviated version. The original is probably about 500 words long, and a bit more poetic.
I simply didn’t see the need for a longer book. As ADParker pointed out above, I said everything that I thought needed to be said.
I am, however, a professional transcriptionist and copy editor and a writer of both fiction and non-fiction. If I wanted to write something the length of the Qur’an, Book of Mormon, or New Testament, I estimate it would take me no more than a month and a half.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend Astreja

For the time being; you have only written about 500 words; not long as you have stated but short, in my opinion. It could be at the most be considered as a passage; not a book. You might be a fiction or a non-fiction writer; I am not jealous of that, but I think no publisher worth the name would take it as a book or agree to publish it. I think you yourself would be open to agree to it.

I will speak here only for Quran; it is a systematic Verbal Revelation; learnt by heart, as a sentence or more were revealed on Muhammad by the Creator- God Allah YHWH. Muhammad himself committed this Revelation to his memory and from him his companions did. And this system continues forth unimpaired till our times and in future also. Quran was never a written book sent down literally by God Allah YHWH from the skies. So primarily Quran is a Verbal Revelation as the word “Quran” suggests means and conveys.

It is however the genius of Muhammad (peace be upon him); that though he was himself not well-versed in reading and/or writing, that he felt the importance of writing in the times to come in the world; so side by side as an auxiliary or secondary measure, never as the original in the first place; he also did whatever was possible to record this revelation in writing, so that the both always exist supporting one another. This is another meaning; that this Verbal Revelation, having a system in it, in a would-be sense committed to writing was also called a book.

I think this much is sufficient for the time being lest ……

Peace to Atheists, Agnostics, and the Anti-Theists and others.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Collection of Quran :Usman did a memorable job

October 1, 2009

http://forum09.faithfreedom.org/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=4283&p=69889#p69889


sword_of_truth
wrote:

Uthman burned the different Qurans in order to standardize them. You forgot about that part.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend sword_of_truth

Please let me know your denomination/sect/faith/religion while replying.

Usman’s only , but very appreciable, contribution was to publish the Quran and to standardise it. It was the same as was revealed on the heart of Muhammad and which a larg number of his companions had already committed to their memory.

Muhammad had also as an axiliary measure or as a supporting measure, got the revelation of Quran written by appointed scribes, on pieces of cloth,pieces of leather or leaves of the trees, as the verses of the Quran were not and could not be in a sequence.They got revealed as and when an event would happen. Whenever the Angel revealed a portion of a chapter; he guided Muhammad as to where the same were to be put, before or after such and such verse. This was possible in the memory of heart but not otherwise. The paper was also not available in abundance; so the pieces could not be in the book form.

Usman collected all these pieces and arranged them in the sequence of what was already committed to heart and memory by a large number of the companions of Muhammad. The axiliary utility of those pieces of leaves, bones, pieces of cloth, leather etc had reached to it logical and purposeful conclusion so these were not needed anymore and were disposed off appropriately.

Quran is a Revelation with the systems ;that is why it is and was called a book. If it would have not been written altogether, even then it would have been called a book due to this reason and in this sense.

Usman’s contribution was that he published the revelation that was already being recited by everybody from memory; for the convenience of the people in other lands where people had converted to Islam in large numbers and hence there was a demand of it. Usman or anyone else could not and did not change or could not afford to change anything of the Quran.

I think it is reasonable and should be easy to understand for our friends here.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim;bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/sects/religions Atheists/Agnostics/Humanists and working for their unity and brotherhood.


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