Posts Tagged ‘arguments’

The Creator God does exist; no doubt about it

March 14, 2014

I wrote following post on uncleE’s blog; the viewers could comment here even if they differ with me.
“Is there a God?”

“How can we know if God exists? Do philosophical arguments help?”

MAR 14, 2014 @ 19:58:50

“Without reasons, we should be agnostic, with no strong belief either way. ”

I think I don’t agree with you.

I believe in One-True-God very naturally; like I believe in the existence of my parents or like I believe in the existence of my own self. I don’t need any other reason to believe in Him.

This is the start of belief in the One-True-God; there are/could be more or higher stages to this belief; but if one is Agnostic or Atheist; then he has to provide me the reasons and arguments that “the One-True-God does not exist”. I will see the flaws in their reasons and arguments.

“Christian Right’s attack on rights”

February 28, 2010

Hi friends

I agree with the following statement:

“Christianity was not at the founding, nor is it now a monolithic “ism” that justifies the domination and suppression of others–not even Wiccan/Pagans”

“Christianity” is a misnomer; it was not founded by Jesus who was Monotheist undoubtedly.”Christianity” was founded by Paul; and since then it did not remain Monotheist; it became a religion of Trinity.

Notwithstanding the above every religion has a right to present their case with reason, rationality and logical arguments to convince the human beings together by supporting with Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH for fulfilling the Ethical, Moral and Spiritual needs of the man. Who wins I don’t mind. If the Atheists have anything useful in these faculties; they also have a right to serve humanity in these areas.

Christians are no exception.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Respect should be a default faculty of man – one earns it simply by birth

February 26, 2010

Hi friends

Nobody here should be hated and everyone needs to be respected.

Respect should be a default faculty of man – one earns it simply by birth from the fellow human beings.

Not only that every human being should be respected but the creeds he has should also be respected, which means that every human being has the right to express his beliefs fully and freely without fear of derision, persecution or ridiculing by others with foul and filthy words and or actions.

Nevertheless, it does not mean that one should accept wrong beliefs of others deaf and dumb. Allowing others a right to co-exist peacefully; the respect of a human being lies in that one should give rational, reasonable and logical arguments to prove other wrong and or to convince others of the wrong in their beliefs.

I don’t think friend Cloudlift has infringed on other’s respect; though I am new on this topic. He did not disrespect others, in my opinion.

Did he?

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Claims of what Jesus or Mary did or did not believe with its reasons

January 24, 2010

Brendalee wrote:

paarsurrey: Kindly provide proof ..that “Jesus and Mary” did not believe in the trinity.

paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friend brendalee

You know it is written in your NTBible that Jesus came to fulfill Moses’ teachings; Jesus and Mary were Jews followers of Moses. Moses never believed in any Trinity; (So Jesus and Mary never had to believe in any Trinity).

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


Brendalee wrote:

Well, firstly it is not MY “NTBible”, and secondly (and I know this will come as a great astonishment to you), I did not ask you what Moses believed, did I? Nope, I asked you to PROVE what you claim Jesus or Mary did or did not believe.

I love Isa and Mariam as mentioned in Quran


paarsurrey says:

Hi friend brendalee

I don’t know as to why people here generally don’t want to disclose their identity or denomination/faith/religion; perhaps they don’t feel confident on the truth of their stand-point and they prefer to remain a rolling stone, without any identity. Or they might not be sure or confident to defend their denomination/faith/religion with reasonable, rational and logical arguments; well I don’t mind that. I can understand this state of affairs for the Atheists Agnostics as their belief is not natural and firm hence they need to conceal it; never mind.

I would love to prove from Quran being an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim as to the claims of what Jesus or Mary did or did not believe and of their deeds and acts that they both performed.

Please start a separate thread titles “claims of what Jesus or Mary did or did not believe with its reasons “. Now it depends on you to start such a thread, as things here might get jumbled together.

I am waiting for such a thread in the Islam questioned and defended forum.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


Quran/Islam will spread to the corners of the Earth

November 9, 2009

Apostate wrote:

We will see Demise of Islam in our own lifetime

Paarsurrey wrote:

Hi friends

As per the system of successor-ship mentioned in Quran, the above is not going to happen, for sure:

[24:52] The response of the believers, when they are called to Allah and His Messenger in order that he may judge between them, is only that they say: ‘We hear and we obey.’ And it is they who will prosper.
[24:53] And whoso obeys Allah and His Messenger, and fears Allah, and takes Him as a shield for protection, it is they who will be successful.
[24:54] And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that, if thou command them, they will surely go forth. Say, ‘Swear not; what is required is actual obedience in what is right. Surely, Allah is well aware of what you do.’
[24:55] Say, ‘Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger.’ But if you turn away, then upon him is his burden, and upon you is your burden. And if you obey him, you will be rightly guided. And the messenger is not responsible but for the plain delivery of the Message.

[24:56] Allah has promised to those among you who believe and do good works that He will surely make them Successors in the earth, as He made Successors from among those who were before them; and that He will surely establish for them their religion which He has chosen for them; and that He will surely give them in exchange security and peace after their fear: They will worship Me, and they will not associate anything with Me. Then whoso is ungrateful after that, they will be the rebellious.

[24:57] And observe Prayer and give the Zakat and obey the Messenger, that you may be shown mercy.
[24:58] Think not that those who disbelieve can frustrate Our plan in the earth; their abode is Hell; and it is indeed an evil resort.
[24:59] O ye who believe! let those whom your right hands possess, and those of you who have not attained to puberty, ask leave of you at three times before coming into your presence: before the morning Prayer, and when you take off your clothes at noon in summer, and after the night Prayer. These are three times of privacy for you. At times other than these there is no blame on you or on them, for they have to move about waiting upon you, some of you attending upon others. Thus does Allah make plain to you the Signs; for Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[24:60] And when the children among you attain to puberty, they too should ask permission, even as those mentioned before them asked permission. Thus does Allah make plain to you His commandments; and Allah is All-Knowing, Wise. … 4&verse=50

With the advent of the Promised Messiah 1835-1908; the dark age of Islam is ended and Islam has taken a new turn as prophesized by Muhammad himself.

Islam would spread to the corners of the Earth as revealed on the Second Coming 1835-1908 very peacefully and with bright arguments convincing everybody on this planet to the fold of Islam.

We are not worried about the apostates; they would also be welcome home.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


I would like everybody who writes on to enlighten about his previous ‎and present faith/religion; it would help to understand in a number of ways their opinions, ‎perspectives and visions

July 10, 2009

‎• 4. paarsurrey Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 9:44 pm ‎

Hi friends

I understand that this forum is of the ex-Muslims. May I request the following friends ‎who ‎have posted into this thread as to what was their denomination when they choose to ‎leave ‎Islam? Please also mention as to what religion/denomination they joined when they ‎left ‎Islam.

‎1.‎ Shafee al-Zindig ‎
‎2.‎ proudkafir
‎3.‎ Raisin Head ‎

This is only an optional question out of curiousity; no compulsion to answer.‎

‎• 5. Raisin Head Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 11:11 pm ‎
To the Admadi Muslim

I was never a muslim, I read the crap and it said kill non-muslims and no way would I kill ‎anyone. Next, it called my people, blacks, ugly nappy headed pug nosed slaves or abeeds. ‎You must be kidding if you think I would read such evil and join it. Why did you. I love ‎all people aS GOD CREATED ALL OF US AND aRABS ARE NO BETTER THAN ‎anyone else. They stink like anyone else.‎

‎• 9. Shafee al-Zindig Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am ‎

To satisfy your curiosity and to silence those who would falsely claim that we are all ‎Jews pretending to be ex-Muslims.‎

I was born to a Hanafi Sunni family going back many generations. As I grew older and ‎wiser after many years of study of all points of view, I realized that Islam was not for me.‎

I am content to remain a freethinker and see no need to exchange one mind-numbing ‎addictive drug such as Islam for any other. It is like giving up cocaine and taking up ‎heroin. Why would anybody be that foolish?‎

‎• 10. ibrahim Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm ‎

I was born in a Sunni Ahle Hadith family of Kashmir. I was a practicing Muslim till ‎about 3 years back. Being from an Ahle Hadith family, I was particularly unhappy with ‎blasphemers including Ahmedis, Agha Khanis, Dawoodi Bohras, and I considered all of ‎them fuel for hell fire.

Thanks to FFI and my own intelligence, I got out of this cult called Islam. It took me ‎almost 3 years to get over my fear of hell fire as this was the last connecting link between ‎Islam and me.

23. paarsurrey Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:57 pm

I thank brothers and friends in humanity here in these forums; who write here and who were Muslim ‎previously and changed their religion. Following have answered my query and I thank ‎them in this connection:‎
Raisin Head, Shafee al-Zindig ,Ibrahim, ‎

Our friend proudkafir has opted not to enlighten us about his previous faith or his present ‎religion. I thank him also.‎

I would like everybody who writes here to enlighten us about his previous and present ‎faith/religion; it helps to understand in a number of ways their opinions, perspectives and ‎visions, if they talk rationally and logically with good intellectual arguments.‎

All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.‎


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

What does the minaret of Second Coming symbolize?

April 30, 2009

Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah says:

What does the minaret symbolize?

It represents the holy, pure and resolute soul, which is given to
that perfect man
who is worthy of heavenly light, and this meaning is inherent
in the word ‘minaret’ itself.

The loftiness of the
minaret signifies the high resolve of such a man, its
strength signifies the fortitude which he shows at times of
trial, and its pristine whiteness represents his innocence,
which must ultimately be established.

And when all this
has taken place i.e., when his truthfulness has been established
with arguments, and his fortitude, steadfastness,
patience and perseverance has become apparent like a
shining minaret, the period of his first advent—which was
marked by trials and tribulations—comes to an end, and
the time is now ripe for him to appear in glory.

Spirituality, which is imbued with Divine glory, descends upon
him who is like a minaret, and invests him with Divine
powers by God’s permission. All this happens in his second
advent, and this is exactly the manner in which the
Promised Messiah was supposed to appear.

The Traditions
prevalent among the Muslims which speak, for
instance, of his descent near a minaret, are only meant to
signify that his advent will be a glorious one and that he
will be accompanied by Divine power. Heaven holds him
back until the time God has appointed for his advent, but
this does not mean that he was not [physically] present on
the earth before that.

It is also a Divine practice that He uses physical illustrations
to explain some spiritual matters. The Temple in
Baitul Muqaddas [Jerusalem], and the Ka‘bah in Mecca,
for example, serve as symbols of Divine manifestation. It
is in this context that the Islamic Shariah speaks of the
Promised Messiah’s descent on, or near a minaret, in a
country which lies to the East of Damascus—just as Adam
was given a dwelling in the East.

There is no harm if a
physical minaret is also built before his glorious advent; it
is, in fact, mentioned in the Hadith literature that a minaret
shall be built before the advent of the Promised Messiah,
and it will serve as a sign of his glorious appearance.


The Bible cannot reply of itself; its followers constantly have to spoon-feed claims and reasons to it

April 29, 2009

fgenej11 says:

I beg you to consider this possibility.

Paarsurrey says:

I appreciate your concern for me; but I see that your stance is not correct. Kindly prove the correctness of your stance with reasonable, rational and logical arguments, if you have any. Please provide the claims and reasons from amongst your revealed book. Instead of you putting wisdom into the mouth of your Scripture; let your Scripture provide for you. Let Jesus of Bible be a mature person to add wisdom to the hearts and mind of the sinful scribes, instead of them providing for Jesus. Let your scriptures prove that they are not dead but alive to answer reasonably and with logical arguments.

I respect your religion

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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