Gospels-“do not go back to the respective authors”

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/gospels-%E2%80%9Cdo-not-go-back-to-the-respective-authors%E2%80%9D.220354/

#1 paarsurrey

Gospels-“do not go back to the respective authors”
None, emphasis none, of the Gospel writers was the eye-witness of Jesus’ Crucifixion.
Thread open to everybody including those who claim they have no religion, please

Regards

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“The first four historical books of the New Testament are supplied with titles ( Euaggelion kata Matthaion, Euaggelion kata Markon , etc.), which, however ancient, do not go back to the respective authors of those sacred writings. ”
Gospel and Gospels – Encyclopedia Volume – Catholic Encyclopedia – Catholic Online

#659

None of the NT-Bible is “god inspired”

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-jesus-crucified-or-not.217361/page-11#post-6088520

adrxxxxx said: ↑

The fundamental problem for the Muslims I speak to online, is they don’t understand Christianity at all. The exceptions are those who were previously Christian and understood Christian theology.

#215 paarsurrey, 

I understand, while I read Kitab-i-Iqan, that neither Bahaullah nor Shoghi Effendi nor their followers understood Pauline-Christianity in its true colors. One may like to read “Pagan-Christianity” to have its glimpses.
Pagan Christianity – Wikipedia
It has nothing to do with Jesus , Mary and teachings of Jesus. One may like to read what is written in Quran about Jesus and Mary, quite some chapters, no compulsion however.

Regards

Mufxxx said: ↑

I believe you are listening to fantasy. The Bible is not myth but is what God intended it to be. There is no evidence that the other books were copied from Mark. They simply tell the same story and that makes sense since they experienced the same things.

“I believe”

#216 paarsurrey

I understand that mostly when one starts with these words,it is mostly a blind-faith, and that one is not going to change it even if most reasonable arguments and evidences are given. Right, please?

Regards

Ridxxx said: ↑

Well FYI I do believe he and many other Messiahs were crucified. But nor raised from the dead.

#217 paarsurrey

I agree with one.
One who dies does not return to this earthly life again and Jesus was not an exception to it.

Regards

Miltxxxx said: ↑

The claim that anything in the bible is “god inspired” is just an unfounded assertion.

I say that it is anonymous because it is unsigned and nobody named “Luke” claims to have written such a paper. But no matter, even if he wrote it, he was not an eyewitness to the resurrection.

“The claim that anything in the bible is “god inspired” is just an unfounded assertion.”

#658 paarsurrey

It will be as good to say that none of the NT-Bible is “god inspired”.

Regards

Miltxxxx said: ↑

The claim that anything in the bible is “god inspired” is just an unfounded assertion.

I say that it is anonymous because it is unsigned and nobody named “Luke” claims to have written such a paper. But no matter, even if he wrote it, he was not an eyewitness to the resurrection.

“I say that it is anonymous”

#659 paarsurrey

Not only you say that the four Gospels were anonymous documents but the Catholic-Encylopedia also affirms that these were anonymous documents. Right, please?
The names of the Gospels do not suggest that the the accounts written were written by these disciples, their names were just assigned to give them some credulity. Right, please?
None, emphasis none, of the Gospel writers was the eye-witness of Jesus Crucifixion. Right, please?

Regards

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“The first four historical books of the New Testament are supplied with titles ( Euaggelion kata Matthaion, Euaggelion kata Markon , etc.), which, however ancient, do not go back to the respective authors of those sacred writings. ”
Gospel and Gospels – Encyclopedia Volume – Catholic Encyclopedia – Catholic Online

The act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms

http://thesuperstitiousnakedape.wordpress.com/2014/05/08/christian-logic/comment-page-1/#comment-15325

PAARSURREY says:

May 11, 2014 at 7:40 pm
@MAKAGUTU says:May 11, 2014 at 7:02 pm
“Paarsurrey, in the bible, it is recorded that Abe was asked by god to sacrifice his son. By your comment can we say that this retelling of the narrative is not factual or what is your stand?” Unquote

Bible is neither authored by Abraham nor by Moses. Its different books have been authored by anonymous narrators and the scribes. It is not the original Word of God in the original language revealed.

Dreams and visions are always or most often interpret-able.

It only meant that Abraham and his offspring shall have to face hardships in the path of God (Allah Yahweh Tao) and would have to devout their lives; in service of the humanity for its ethical, moral and spiritual uplift.

Abraham and Ishmael were sure about it from their experience with the One-True-God; they knew that the He won’t let them accomplish an unreasonable act; and would bring out reasonable solution of the matter.

And the act of Abraham sacrificing his son Ishmael never happened in literal and real terms.

Abraham and his progeny did devote their lives to the cause of religion and that is how it took place in real terms; and that is what one should focus on.

The matter of as to how to interpret such dreams and visions was settled for all times.

Regards

The hoax of Bible being inerrant

Bible is not written by Jesus or dictated by Him; it is written by anonymous and sinful scribes; so it is not in-errant.

One big example of its being errant is its failure to record that Jesus did not die a cursed death on the Cross. Jesus survived and migrated to India. This one example shatters the myth of the inerrancy of the Bible. Just with this truth the edifice of Christianity comes to the ground.

One could view the following documentaries in this connection:

1.        BBC Documentary

 

 

 2.       Jesus in Kashmir (India)-Documentary by Indian Govt.

 

Punishment for claimants of divinity in Jews from Moses

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2010/01/20/jesus-had-no-claim-on-divinity/#comments

Aaron Says:

You quote from the Bible as the source for your answer. That’s great. Do you know what the Bible says concerning the charge made by the Jews against Jesus?

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend Aaron

Since NTBible is neither Word of God nor even a word of Jesus; its authors are anonymous people and have been named Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, just to add some credulity to these gospels; I believe only that statements of NTBible which are not against Quran.
Jesus pegged his biggest sign with Jonah; and Jonah was only a Prophet; for just repeating the same sign which did not make Jonah a god; how could the same sign make Jesus a god? The Catholics and Protestants should ponder over this; if they believe in an iota of reason in the NTBible.
Since you believe in OTBible, please quote the punishment Jews had from Moses for the claimant of divinity?
Perhaps that answers your question also.

Aaron Says:

Hi,

It sounds like you want it both ways. You did not quote Matthew’s Gospel about the charge Jesus was condemned: blasphemy (an example of Jesus’ claim to divine authority). But you reference Matthew’s Gospel about Jonah. I think philosophers call what you are doing the fallacy of “manufacturing facts from a theory” and/or “special pleading”. You are rewriting the New Testament to fit your procrustean bed.
Would you please explain why you don’t believe Jesus was condemned for blasphemy as it is recorded in Matthew 26:65 and why you believe Matthew 12:39-41? From Matthew’s Gospel, can you tell me what texts of the Old Testament Jesus used in His response to the High Priest (Matthew 26:64)?
Jesus’ death, resurrection, and empty tomb is good news for all who believe. Jesus said, “I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life” (John 5:24).
Regards,
Aaron

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friends Aaron

I think I had already elaborated my position regarding gospels in my previous post:

Quote: “Since NTBible is neither Word of God nor even a word of Jesus; its authors are anonymous people and have been named Matthew, Mark, John and Luke, just to add some credulity to these gospels; I believe only that statements of NTBible which are not against Quran.” Unquote.

If Jesus never attempted to write any gospels in Judea; how could I dare write it? It was cunning Paul and the clever Church who got hold of anonymous writings and for their own motives and after editing and naming arbitrarily, presented it as Gospels. Jesus had nothing to do with this plethora of writings. He never authorized or dictated anybody to publish this stuff in his absence when he was alive and living happily in India.

I was waiting for you response to mention punishment of claimants of divinity in Jews from Moses. Would you please respond?
May the Creator- God Allah YHWH bless you! And may He open your heart for acceptance of truth.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks