Posts Tagged ‘Ahmadis’

Bringing atheists (without ridicule and derision)and believers together for a peaceful dialogue

February 28, 2014

“the Way?”
“Faitheist – bringing atheists and believers together (book review)”

http://theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/
http://theway21stcentury.wordpress.com/2013/09/29/faitheist-bringing-atheists-and-believers-together-book-review/#comment-2399

paarsurrey
1 MARCH, 2014 AT 1:00 AM

@ unkleE and all others who wrote comments on this blog
I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim; I also support the idea of a peaceful (without deriding and ridicule) dialogue between the revealed religions and non-religions (Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics; Humanists) all included.

I live in Toronto; can we meet here (or your like-minded friends)?

Atheists, believers, dialogue, without ridicule, without derision, Faitheist, Ahmadis, Christians, Buddhists, Hindus, Zoroastrians, Jews, peaceful Muslim, religions, non-religions, Atheists, Agnostics, Skeptics; Humanists

Do Ahmadis deny Jihad, a pillar of Islam?

April 5, 2013

Question and Answer session with Hadhrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad, 5 November 1995

http://www.alislam.org/v/607.html

Please start viewing the video, setting play-head position, for the relevant Q #2 @ 00:08:51 Non Ahmadis say JIHAD is the pillar of Islam and they also say Ahmadis do not believe in Jihad, Is it right or wrong? Its answer ends @ 00:31:30: the answer is only: 22.79 in duration.

Paarsurrey notes following hint words and syllables in the contents of the reply to the question asked:

Ahmadis believe in all the fundamentals of Islam, Quran is still valid, the word Jihad is misrepresented by some mullahs intentionally, murdering people for religious differences is not Jihad, Jihad with the Quran, Quran strives for the victory of Islam, Quran allows only to fight back, believers were turned out of their homes, they were persecuted, atrocities committed against them, believers were in small number of 313 at Badar, even then they were thought capable of defeating the Meccans, for political ends the mullah interprets the verses incorrectly, the places of hermit of Jews, Christians and Muslims are to be safeguarded, to establish right of worship, mosques are mentioned in the end, this is the comprehensive concept of Jihad, Bosnians, Iraq, to seek the help of non-believers for Jihad is not permitted, an Arab idolater offered his services for fighting but not allowed, Mullahs don’t practice Islam.

Note-1: one may like to know more about Jihad & Terrorism:
http://www.alislam.org/terrorism.html

Note-2: Following verses were quoted in the reply:
1. [25:53] So obey not the disbelievers and fight against them by means of it (the Qur’an) a great fight.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=25&verse=52
2. [22:40] Permission to fight is given to those against whom war is made, because they have been wronged — and Allah indeed has power to help them —
[22:41] Those who have been driven out from their homes unjustly only because they said, ‘Our Lord is Allah’ — And if Allah did not repel some men by means of others, there would surely have been pulled down cloisters and churches and synagogues and mosques, wherein the name of Allah is oft commemorated. And Allah will surely help one who helps Him. Allah is indeed Powerful, Mighty —
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=22&verse=39

‎“I believe in a god of some sort” CCNLI says

September 19, 2009

http://newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/2009/09/public_anger_and_belligerence/comments.html

CCNLI says:

OK, lets say I believe in a god of some sort, some singularity out there hidden from veiw, maybe in a black ‎hole.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend CCNLI
One who has a very thin belief in God- the Creator, like you have admitted, such a person would have no ‎belief in the Messengers logically and need not believe in the existence of Angels also, logically. I think ‎you should have admitted that you are an Atheisit Agnostic and have no belief in God.Then it would have ‎been appropriate for you to have concentrated about belief in God in the first place and as to why it is ‎important to believe in God the Creator.

As mentioned in the context of the verse you quoted from the Quran:‎
‎[2:287] Allah burdens not any soul beyond its capacity. It shall have the reward it ‎earns,

So, unless you believe in God and the Messengers; you don’t have to believe in the ‎Angels. No compulsion‎
You may start a new topic on: “What does it mean to believe in God- the Creator?”‎

There are no fairy tales or fiction stories in the Quran. You have simply ‎misunderstood the Quran.

With the advent of Promised Messiah 1835-1908; we Ahmadis are the mainstream ‎Muslims.

I am not a lone believer; you may access the Ahmadia Muslims official websit if you ‎like: http://www.alislam.org/
http://www.mta.tv

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran – the Spoken Word of God, recorded naturally; remains secure and protected word ‎for word, letter for letter and dot for dot‎

July 1, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/30/the-quran-and-hadith-which-is-more-‎authentic/#comments

‎15. Ibn Kammuna Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 11:01 pm ‎

I do appreciate Ahmadis and their peaceful way of life.

Now, I would like to ask you something: When you look at how the Qur’an was ‎collected, and compare it to how the Hadith was collected, the conclusion that Mr. ‎Mumin Salih reaches is valid. Hadith is more reliable than the Qur’an.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Ibn Kammuna

I appreciate your words of sympathy for Ahmadis, who are being persecuted by ignorant ‎Traditional Muslims for nothing. May God Allah YHWH bless you!

Quran is Word of God revealed/descended on the heart of Muhammad under a ‎remarkable natural system, which no other “Book” in this world has ever had; and that ‎also proves that it is not authored by Muhammad; but it is from God Allah YHWH.

I don’t agree with the information given by Mumin Saleh about the collection of Quran in ‎his write up in the beginning of this discussion. I would like to mention the way the ‎Quran was revealed and that would also dispel any doubts in the mind of viewers of this ‎discussion about Quran:‎

The text of none of the sacred Scriptures, claimed to‎
have been revealed before the Quran, has been preserved intact.‎
They have all been interfered with to such an extent that an
earnest seeker after truth finds it impossible to adopt any of‎
them as a practical guide for right conduct. In contrast with
this, the text of the Quran has been preserved intact and every
word of it has come down to us as free from interference and
interpolation as when it was revealed to the Holy Prophet
one thousand four hundred years ago.‎

The Quran began to be revealed at the outset of the Mission
of the Holy Prophet. The first revelation, comprising only a
few verses, was received by him in the Hira Cave. Thereafter
the revelation continued till his death. Thus the total period
during which the entire Quran was revealed extended to
twenty-three years. ‎

We know, on the basis of the testimony of
his contemporaries, that in the beginning revelation came to the
Prophet at intervals and in small bits, but as time passed it
grew both in volume and in frequency till in the last years
of his life it swelled into an almost continuous stream. ‎

One reason for this, among others, was that the teachings contained
in this revelation were altogether novel and it was not easy
for people to grasp their full significance. Therefore the Quran
was revealed in small portions in the beginning. But after
the basic principles of Islam had been fully grasped and it
became comparatively easy for people to understand the teachings
and the topics dealt with in the Quran, the revelation began‎
to arrive faster and in larger volume. ‎

The object was that all
Muslims should be enabled fully to grasp the teachings of the
Quran. Another reason was that the number of Muslims was
very small in the beginning and, as God intended that the text
of the Quran should be scrupulously preserved and that it
should not become the subject of any doubt, only small portions
were revealed at a time in the beginning and there was always
an interval, sometimes extending to several months, between
the revelation of one group of verses and the next. ‎

In this manner the few Muslims were enabled to commit the whole
revelation to memory, so as to place the matter of the preservation‎
of the text beyond doubt. When the number of Muslims
began to increase and the safe-guarding and preservation of the
text of the Quran became easier, the revelation began to arrive
faster. ‎

Towards the close of the Holy Prophet’s life the number
of Muslims exceeded a hundred thousand and the memorizing
of the Quran became very easy. At that time the revelation
came faster still. By this divine plan the purity of the text of
the Quran was placed beyond doubt.‎

During the Caliphate of ‘Uthman seven copies of the Quran‎
were despatched to different parts of the Muslim world and they
in turn became the standard texts from which other copies were
made and thereafter in each generation hundreds of thousands
of people have been in the habit of committing the entire text
of the Quran to memory. ‎

Even the bitterest enemies of Islam
do not allege that any interference with the text of the Quran has
taken place since the time of ‘Uthman. Those who seek to
raise doubts regarding the purity of the text of the Quran direct
their criticism to the period between the death of the Holy
Prophet and the Caliphate of ‘Uthman.‎

Whenever any portion of the Quran was revealed to the Holy
Prophet, he used to commit it to memory and, as he continuously
recited the Quran from one end to the other, he always
carried the whole of the revealed Quran at all times in his
memory. In addition to this the following devices were
adopted for safe-guarding and preserving intact the text of
the Quran :‎

http://www.alislam.org/library/books/Introduction-Study-Holy-Quran.pdf

I think it reasonably explains that the text of the Quran as spoken by God Allah YHWH ‎to Muhammad is secure without any doubt.‎
Love for all; hatred for none.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

There is no possibility of any change of text in Quran

June 29, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/18/the-earliest-copy-of-the-quran-yemeni-koran-‎video/#comments

There is a discussion going on on the faithfreedom.org (one may like to access the above link), that Quran has been changed ‎many a times. I don’t agree with this notion. The viewers of this blog may like to see ‎following posts exchanged there:‎

‎• 13. paarsurrey Says:
June 21st, 2009 at 7:53 pm

Hi

I think there is some confusion here. Quran was not written or authored by Muhammad. ‎It was revealed word for word on the heart of Muhammad and from him his companions ‎learnt it by heart. It is only a secondary security method that it was also committed to ‎writing immediately. The method of learning from person to person still continues; ‎statrted from Muhammad to date. As Muhammad received Quran from God Allah ‎YHWH; he let his companions know of it and it was immediately committed to memory ‎by his companions.

There is no possibility of any change in Quran; I think.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

‎• 14. R_not Says:
June 25th, 2009 at 6:52 am

Since parts of the Quran was eaten by goats – and Allah didn’t care if they ate it, it ‎sounds like a pretty flakey book to me. So basically parts of the Quran was… goat ‎‎‘pellets’. Good place for it.‎
Anyway, Allah couldn’t even bother to dictate it to Muhammed all by himself – he sent ‎some ‘questionable’ angel to Muhammed.

‎• 15. paarsurrey Say:
June 25th, 2009 at 10:22 pm

Hi

No parts of Quran were ever eaten by any goat; this is only a wrong notion.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

‎• 16. kenmirzz Says:
June 27th, 2009 at 1:46 am ‎

To Paarsurrey #15

First and foremost, you are an Ahmadi-Qadiyani Muslim and my apology for all the ‎persecution that suffered by your people in Pakistan. ‎
You said: No parts of Quran were ever eaten by any goat; this is only a wrong notion.

Please read the e-book entitled: “Corruption and Distortion In The Quran” by Mr Amar ‎Khan to obtain a clearer picture on this issue. ‎
Humanity is but one family.


17. paarsurrey Says:
June 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pm

Hi friend kenmirz
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I appreciate your words of sympathy for the persecution of peaceful Ahmadis at hands of ‎‎the ignorant Traditional Muslims. I also like the motto “Humanity is but one family” ‎‎mentioned by you at the end of your post.

You must have read the e-book entitled: “Corruption and Distortion in the Quran” by Mr ‎‎Amar Khan as suggested and recommended by you. Please mention the strongest ‎‎argument given by him to establish corruption and distortion in Quran for understanding ‎‎or otherwise of our friends in this forum.

Love for all; hatred for none.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim‎