Posts Tagged ‘‎religion’

Hume Defects to Theism?

January 18, 2014

Fide Dubitandum

UnknownI’ve never been sure why modern materialists are so confident that David Hume has shown their position to be correct. And neither reading his work, nor explanations of him, has helped to explain it. In fact, it’s led me to the opposite conclusion.

Take, for instance, the claim that we can dismiss traditional notions of causation (and, therefore, dismiss theistic arguments like the Kalam) on the grounds that Hume “showed” that we can’t trust the common sense of causation. Of course, it’s always important to note that Hume himself didn’t take the position that he “showed”, but there is a bigger problem here.

What Hume actually showed is that, given materialism, there’s no explanation for the fact that inductive reasoning (and thereby science) actually works.

What is amazing is that so many have responded by soberly reporting that causation doesn’t exist. Clearly, causation does exist. What’s actually been proved here…

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2012 in review: Paarsurrey Blog

December 31, 2013

The WordPress.com stats helper monkeys prepared a 2012 annual report for this blog.

Here’s an excerpt:

600 people reached the top of Mt. Everest in 2012. This blog got about 9,000 views in 2012. If every person who reached the top of Mt. Everest viewed this blog, it would have taken 15 years to get that many views.

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The Garden of Eden was in Congo

December 18, 2013

paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 10:49

Reblogged this on paarsurrey and commented:

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archaeopteryx1 says:
December 18, 2013 at 11:35

Hello, Paarsurrey, I don’t believe I’ve met you yet – how are you? I look forward to your comments from a Muslim perspective. I have a number of former Muslim friends, from Egypt, who post on the thinkatheist.com website, who are now atheists. As you are a peaceful Muslim, so we are peaceful atheists, mostly.

paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 11:58

Yes;we have never met before; but it is never late when two humans meet and share their experiences.
I like the post “The Garden of Eden was in Congo”. How do we know which one is the original; the Bible version or the Congo version.

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makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:00

Good question. The Congo one is independent of the bible one and may be older than the bible one just as there are many stories in the bible told after the fact but passed as prophecy.

How have you been? I haven’t heard from you in quite a while.

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paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:09

Thanks for remembering me.
May be both the stories in origin have been revealed to both the people independently by the One-True-God Allah Yahweh.

makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:12

Haha. I have missed that now, don’t you agree.

Is it not more rational to think it is a speculation spread from one group to the next embellished on the way as they go along?

Eric Alagan says:
December 18, 2013 at 11:59

What an interesting story – an eye opener about origins and originals 🙂

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makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:01

It’s quite a story.
I liked the first moment he shared it with me, which was long, long ago!

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Sabio Lantz says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:05

I am not a Christian and count as probable that the Hebrew legend of the Garden of Eden was a long shared story in cultures prior to theirs.

That said, I’d have to read Hallet’s book to see the evidence he has for the Pygmy stories not being influence similarly by outside sources.

Over the years I have come to skeptically view the reports of anthropologists. Anthropologists have agendas. For example, the “Peaceful Ape” and the “Idillic Peoples” myths abound. Margaret Mead (1901-1978) idealized the sexuality of the South Pacific islanders. Popular anthropology and biology long held that only human primates are violent — field work disproved that in the last 50 years or so.

So likewise, when I read here that Hallet said, “The pygmies of the Ituri Forest must be saved. They still represent the true human potential for love, peace and harmony, without crime or greed.”

I wonder about agenda in valorizing the pygmies.

But like I said, I too like the implications of these stories, but I am slow to jump on the bandwagon just because it supports my opinions.

Freethought Nation quotes the book here too and many folks refer to that article. For fun, I looked for Christian apologists who would dismiss these claims but couldn’t find them. But I am sure they are out there.

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makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:08

Thanks for that insight. I haven’t read the book either and I honestly must say I haven’t read much anthropology too. But as you say, the stories, if true would challenge beliefs held by many people.
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paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:16

There is no challenge in it. I believe that the One-True-God Allah Yahweh conversed with ever people; since the source is common hence the commonalities of stories.

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makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:17

I agree with you the source is common and that is human minds.

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paarsurrey says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:23

I don’t agree with you here.
makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 12:25

I am fine with that.

aguywithoutboxers says:
December 18, 2013 at 13:22

An outstanding proof that the wheel was only invented once! I think this fable proves that modern belief systems are all based on the same fables with perhaps slightly varying settings. I like this myth better, I could never quite get beyond the one with the talking snake! Too Disney-esque! I hope all is well with you, my Nairobi brother! 🙂

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makagutu says:
December 18, 2013 at 14:50

All is well with me my friend, can’t complain.
Human stories are all very nice. I should write soon about the belief of my forefathers too. Pretty interesting when you look at this stories

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john zande says:
December 18, 2013 at 14:05

Wait up, wait up… But Kenya is the cradle of humanity, isn’t it?

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Random thoughts

My great friend and teacher shared with me a story about the Efe people taken from The Pygmy Kitabu by JEAN-PIERRE HALLET and ALEX PELLE [yours truly is yet to read the book but I will relay the story nonetheless.

One fine day in heaven, God told his chief helper to make the first man. The angel of the moon descended. He modeled the first man from earth, wrapped a skin around the earth, poured blood into the skin, and punched holes for the nostrils, eyes, ears and mouth. He made another hole in the first man’s bottom, and put all the organs in his insides. Then he breathed his own vital force into the little earthen statue. He entered into the body. It moved… It sat up… It stood up… It walked. It was Efé, the first man and father of all who came after.
 
    “God said to…

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Quran is secure and the only uncorrupted Word of God Allah YHWH

July 28, 2009

http://cindyinsd.wordpress.com/2009/06/01/do-jews-christians-and-muslims-worship-the-‎same-god/‎

Hi friends ‎

With the advent of the Second Coming 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, the Imam ‎Mahdi; Islam and all other revealed religions stand revived and hence all the radicals, ‎extremists and mythical denomination stand exposed and irrelevant. Religious heroes of ‎all the revealed religions; Krishna, Moses, Zoroaster, Jesus and of course Muhammad-, ‎the Chief of all the Messengers Prophets, were all truthful and appointed by the Creator, ‎God Allah YHWH and hence their revelations were truthful in origing. Quran is secure ‎and the only uncorrupted Word of God Allah YHWH. ‎

All human beings are just like a family; all must be loved and never to be hated.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


With the advent of the Second Coming 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, the Imam ‎Mahdi, the Islam and other revealed religions stand revived

July 28, 2009

Jonolan says:

Except that Muslims are NOT peaceful people. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban are Muslims ‎and about as violent as it gets, as are HAMAS.

Muslim, Christian, Jew, Pagan, Atheist, Whatever – with a very few exceptions – are all ‎violent people and peaceful people, and all striations between the two extremes.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend jonolan

I agree with you that all human beings are generally stationed between the two extremes ‎of peaceful and the fightful. There are peaceful people among them, and there are others ‎who are not so peaceful or just fightful. ‎

What I meant was that a true Muslim has not only to be peaceful in name but in his ‎actions and deeds also. A true Muslim has to abide by the commandments of Quran and ‎Sunnah; which are very peaceful.‎

The radical Muslims and extremists of whom you have pointed out should be peaceful if ‎they think they are Muslim. The extremists are very small people in numbers and ‎majority of the Muslims don’t support them. Anyway they are being taken care of by ‎America and its allies.‎

With the advent of the Second Coming 1835-1908, the Promised Messiah, the Imam ‎Mahdi, the Islam and other revealed religions stand revived and hence all the radicals and ‎extremists stand exposed and irrelevant.‎

All human beings are just like a family; all must be loved and never to be hated.‎

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

I say I am a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim as I cannot hate the Muslims en-block

July 18, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/18/the-earliest-copy-of-the-quran-yemeni-koran-‎video/#comment-17399‎
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paarsurrey

July 18, 2009 • 11:39 am

Hi friend Arp

I don’t agree with you. I say I am a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim as I cannot hate the ‎Muslims en-block. One could condemn a certain incident done by a criminal; but it is ‎against the cause of humanity to condemn others who are not envolved in the incident ‎and to condemn the whole race of a people. This would be counterproductive and serve ‎on purpose. Please have a humanist approach; and don’t find fault with the innocent ‎Quran/Islam/Muhammad. If one loves humanity; Muslims are also a part of the ‎humanity; adn hence one should learn loving the Muslims also.

Would you like to inform us about your faith you previously had; and your current faith ‎you were converted to later?

All human beings are just like one family; one should learn respecting and loving ‎everyone and one should not hate anyone.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran – the remarkable Revelation from God Allah YHWH ‎

July 4, 2009

http://www.faithfreedom.org/2009/06/30/the-quran-and-hadith-which-is-more-authentic/comment-page-1/#comment-16461

28. jonc Says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm ‎

What you say makes sense – right up to the point that the Sahih Hadith about the ‎collection of the Koran are introduced.

33. paarsurrey Says:
July 4th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

Hi friend jonc

As I have mentioned in the earlier post, Quran as the word means was the revelation ‎descended on the heart of Muhammad from God Allah YHWH and he was guaranteed ‎from Him that he need not worry about making strenuous effort to remember the ‎Revelation; he would remember it naturally and he would not forget it. From Muhammad ‎his companions learnt it by heart or committed it to their memory.Writing the revelation ‎was only an auxiliary measure adopted by Muhammad.


It was not made incumbent on Muhammad, in my opinion, by any clear verse in Quran to ‎commit it to writing; I don’t see any such verse in Quran. Muhammad and his ‎companions loved Quran and exactly as the word Quran meant they recited Quran very ‎often, in the prayers and even without it; this is not an unusual thing, upto our times this ‎practice continues among Muslims. The text of Quran was compiled already in the ‎memory of Muhammad and his companions in the same form as it is found in our times ‎without any change. It needed no further compilation or collection.


One could go to any Muslim Mosque in any part of the world; there one could find ‎persons who remember Quran by heart. One may take a copy of Quran with one and ‎request them to recite Quran from their memory. One would find that there is no ‎difference in the written and the recited Quran from the heart.

There are so many verses in Quran from God Allah YHWH which say that He had made ‎it very easy to learn Quran and to commit it to memory. The Creator has made the human ‎mind and memory aligned and attuned to remember Quran with ease and convenience. I ‎don’t think there is any other Book in the world of the size of Quran which is committend ‎to memory with love as the Muslims do with Quran, only because it is a natural ‎Revelation from God Allah YHWH and He has taken it on Himself that it would remain ‎secure and protected in all times to come.


The written Quran was and is but a reflection of the loving heart of Muhammad, his ‎companions and the faithful believers in the whole world. Nobody could scratch it out of ‎their hearts; howsoever one tries. Uthman only made it very convenient to understand for ‎those who were not familiar with it , due to the spread of Islam in other parts of the ‎world; his effort are undoubtedly laudable.

It is remarkable indeed.


Love for all; hatred for none. Humans are but a family.


Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim