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Was Jesus Crucified to death or Not? No, never.

April 29, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-jesus-crucified-or-not.217361/page-10#post-6084945

#188 paarsurrey

Was Jesus Crucified or Not?

No, Jesus did not die on the cross.
Bahaullah’s siding with the Pauline-Christianity exposes Bahaullah’s “infallibility” and makes him a fallible human being.

Regards

“For what its worth, Baha’is believe Christ was crucified.”

#192 paarsurrey

It is wrong understanding of the Quran verses. Bahaullah was not a well-grounded in knowledge person of Quran, so he understood it wrongly.

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#193 paarsurrey

I always also defend Bahaullah’s followers in connection with their right to believe in whatever they want to believe but in relation to Quran, Bahaullah had a shallow knowledge of Quran, that is my point, please.

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Pontius Pilate: Jesus Christ: Empty Tomb: Bible

March 24, 2014

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/03/20/pontius-our-pilot-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5492

paarsurrey says:
March 24, 2014 at 6:28 am

@JERICHO BRISANCE
“From a historical point of view, the reader should ask a very sensible question at this point: how does Mark know what passed between Jesus and Pilate at all?”

It is a good question; a good idea.

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/03/20/pontius-our-pilot-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5493

paarsurrey says:
March 24, 2014 at 6:39 am

@JERICHO BRISANCE
“or (Mark) working from rumors that may have passed around at second or third hand from Roman soldiers or Jewish accusers.”

I agree with you.
All NT Gospels consist of the second and or third hand (nobody know for sure how many hands?) information or rumors.
Like Matthew says that all the disciples of Jesus fled away from the site of Crucifixion of Jesus; then either he himself was not a disciple of Jesus to narrate the events or he was narrating it on the “evidence” of rumors he liked most.

Regards

http://jerichobrisance.com/2014/03/20/pontius-our-pilot-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-5496

paarsurrey says:

March 24, 2014 at 6:52 am

@archaeopteryx1 says: March 22, 2014 at 4:19 pm
“You left out the discovery of the empty tomb.”

Jesus could himself roll out the stone and get out of the tomb; after treatment of his wounds by the physicians in the tomb; that could be the “mystery” of the empty tomb.

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Paul’s theme of Christianity does not owned by Jesus

June 25, 2013

Bryan made a long comments on my post<  Modern Christianity is founded by Paul>. I have given my views on it. The comments deserve a separate post.

Bryan Says: 

The article that you provide the link to is a view of Paul that was popular from 75 to 100 years ago and has been abandoned even by many scholars that still do not hold to historical Christian doctrines. In other words there are still scholars skeptical of historical Christianity, but they do not base their views on this older “history of religions” approach since it was bad scholarship.

Most scholars today, whether they accept or deny historical Christianity, agree that the main source of Paul’s thought was simply the Old Testament viewed in light of what Paul believed was the promised redemptive events centered in the coming of the Kingdom of God and the Holy Spirit through the life, death, and resurrection Jesus Christ.

The consensus today is that the earlier ideas of Paul’s dependence on the “mystery religions’ and on Greek thought were mistaken ideas that have no warrant for support.

Herman Ridderbos wrote: “…surely we can speak of a growing consensus insofar that scholars are more and more finding the point of departure for an adequate approach to the whole redemptive-historical, eschatological character of Paul’s proclamation. The governing motif of Paul’s preaching is the saving activity of God in the advent and the work, particularly in the death and the resurrection of Christ. This activity is on the one hand the fulfillment of the work of God in the history of the nation of Israel, the fulfillment therefore also of the Scriptures; on the other hand it reaches out to the ultimate consummation of the parousia of Christ and the coming of the kingdom of God.” (Paul: An Outline of His Theology, 1975, p.39)

Ridderbos goes on to say that speaking of a “consensus” must be “done with great reserve” because there is much debate regarding the subject of “eschatology and eschatologies”. Therefore the debate today is mainly concerned with “whether Jesus and the apostles quoted Old Testament texts with respect for their broader Old Testament context. Did they refer to Old Testament passages in a way that is inconsistent with or contradictory to the original intention of an Old Testament passage?” (G. K. Beale: The Right Doctrine from the Wrong Texts”, 1994, p. 7)

Here is a link to a short but adequate critique of the older “history of religions” view of Paul’s sources for his teachings called Paul and the Mystery Religions by Don Closson.

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/mystery.html

Bryan

paarsurrey Says:

I refer to your sentence:

“Paul believed was the promised redemptive events centered in the coming of the Kingdom of God and the Holy Spirit through the life, death, and resurrection Jesus Christ.” Unquote

This is exactly what Modern Christianity is all about, all present denominations of Christianity, in my opinion, are based on this theme which was invented by Paul and has nothing to do with Jesus the Christ.

Sorry, I could not reply earlier.

Christian / Hindu dialogue on Jesus birth / survival / death

October 28, 2008

Hindu understanding: When the Bible speaks of Jesus, “died” it simply means something resembling death.

Paarsurrey says:

There is an interesting dialogue between the Hindus and Christians on the above issue; I intend to copy/paste it here for the benefit of the viewers of this blog. The Hindu side of the participants, in my opinion, is far superior in understanding in the issue than the Christians. I appreciate such respectful and peaceful dialogue between members of the international comity of nations.

http://www.indiadivine.org/audarya/showthread.php?p=1116657#post1116657 dated 07-13-2003

The exchange or dialogue took place in Paris, on June 15, 1974, between His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and two priests and two Christian scholars.

I have sought persmission from the above site/forum to allow me copy/paste the same here and it would be accordingly done as soon as it is received from them.

Presently I would quote only a few sentences from both sides in the dialogue to give you a taste of it :

Madame Siaude:

No. It is very important that we understand death of Christ to be a real death. The central point of our faith and our philosophy is that Lord Jesus actually died.

Srila Prabhupada:

Oh, I have more respect for Jesus Christ than you. I say, “Jesus does not die.” You say, “Jesus dies.” As far as respect is concerned, I have more respect than you. You want to see Jesus Christ dead. I don’t want to see him dead.

Paarsurrey says:

It is an important religious/spiritual issues for the Hindus to understand reality of, Jesus birth/death; where it occurred and when/how it took place.

Jesus is mentioned in Vedic literatures according to some Hindu sources about three thousand years before his birth, which highlights its importance from the Hinduism point of view also.

Christianity is spreading in differing parts of India, and Jesus death on Cross is the backbone of the present day Christianity founded by Paul.

If this backbone is metaphorically broken with clarity of thinking; then that would end their spreading there on truthful basis.

Hindus now need not kill Christians, which would be bad on their part and inhuman; they should rather kill the Theological Philosophy of Paul to save humanity from Paul’s myth; and lo there would be no Christians left!

This would be end of Paul, not of Jesus. Jesus would shine and illuminate India and other parts of the world where his lovers reside. One such lover is the writer of these lines.

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Krishna and Moses.

Thanks

P.S

I have requested the forum indiadivind.org discussion forum to allow me copy/past this dialogue on my blog, if possible, for more public good.


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