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Attributes of G-d uniquely manifested in the Word of G-d and the Work of G-d

May 13, 2015

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Post #188

paarsurrey said:

I don’t agree with you.

The attributes are at work in the Universe/s since inception hence it is good and valid argument.
I am not convincing anybody per force and I don’t have to.

Paarsurrey wrote:

One attribute of G-d is mentioned in Quran (the secure and pristine Word of G-d) as Ahad one meaning of which is unique. Most (some may say that all ) big objects in the Universe (the Work of G-d) are round in shape or or tend to be round or a circle expressing in a way that as to Who have shaped them.

The Work of G-d and the Word of G-d thus correspond with one another.

Such are the attributes of G-d uniquely manifested in the Converse and the nature.

Is imitation of the same possible? I don’t think so.


I say I am a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim as I cannot hate the Muslims en-block

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July 18, 2009 • 11:39 am

Hi friend Arp

I don’t agree with you. I say I am a peaceful Ahmadi Muslim as I cannot hate the ‎Muslims en-block. One could condemn a certain incident done by a criminal; but it is ‎against the cause of humanity to condemn others who are not envolved in the incident ‎and to condemn the whole race of a people. This would be counterproductive and serve ‎on purpose. Please have a humanist approach; and don’t find fault with the innocent ‎Quran/Islam/Muhammad. If one loves humanity; Muslims are also a part of the ‎humanity; adn hence one should learn loving the Muslims also.

Would you like to inform us about your faith you previously had; and your current faith ‎you were converted to later?

All human beings are just like one family; one should learn respecting and loving ‎everyone and one should not hate anyone.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

The Holy Quran is the Word of God Almighty and the Sunnah is the action of the Holy Prophet

June 30, 2009

There is a write up on the (one may like to access the above link) titled “The Quran and Hadith, which is more authentic?”By Mumin Salih

I made following comments on the write up of Mumin Salih on the

paarsurrey Says: June 30th, 2009 at 9:29 pm

I don’t agree with the contents of the write up of Mumin Salih as given above by him. He has not, in my opinion, understood the correct significance of the Islamic sources of guidance and how did they come to existence.

I would give a brief note on the Islamic sources of guidance to dispel the wrong notions as mentioned by Mumin Salih:

The Muslims have three sources for establishing themselves on Islamic guidance.
First, the Holy Quran which is the Book of God than which we have no more conclusive and certain statement. It is the Word of God and is free from all doubt and speculation.

Secondly, the practice of the Holy Prophet, which is called Sunnah. We do not regard hadeeth and sunnah as one. They are distinct, hadeeth is one thing and sunnah is another. By sunnah we mean the practice of the Holy Prophet, to which he adhered and which appeared along with the Holy Quran and will accompany it. In other words, the Holy Quran is the Word of God Almighty and the sunnah is the action of the Holy Prophet, peace be on him.

It has ever been the way of God that the Prophets bring the Word of God for the guidance of people and illustrate it in practice with their conduct so that no doubt should remain in the minds of people with regard to the Divine Word. They act upon it and urge others to do the same.

The third source of guidance is hadeeth, by which we mean those traditions which were compiled from the statements of diverse narrators a century and a half after the Holy Prophet. The distinction between sunnah and hadeeth is that sunnah is a continuous practice which was started by the Holy Prophet. It is only next to the Holy Quran in its certainty.

As the Holy Prophet was commissioned for the propagation of the Quran, he was also commissioned for establishing the sunnah. As the Holy Quran is certain so is the continuous sunnah. Both these tasks were performed by the Holy Prophet as his duty. For instance, when the Prayer services were made obligatory, the Holy Prophet illustrated by his action how many rakaas were to be performed in each Prayer service. In the same way, he illustrated the performance of the pilgrimage. He thus established thousands of his companions on his practice.

The practical illustration which has been continuous among the Muslims is the sunnah. On the other hand, the Holy Prophet did not have the hadeeth recorded in his presence nor did he make any arrangement for its compilation. Hazrat Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, had collected some ahadeeth and then had them burnt out of greater caution as he himself had not heard them from the Holy Prophet and did not know their reality.

When the time of the companions of the Holy Prophet had passed some of their successors thought of compiling the ahadeeth and they were compiled. There is no doubt that most of the compilers of hadeeth were very pious and righteous. They tested the accuracy of ahadeeth as far as it was possible and tried to steer clear of such of them as in their opinion were manufactured, and they rejected every hadeeth any narrator of which was of doubtful veracity. As all this activity was ex post factum, it was no more than conjecture; yet it would be most unfair to say that all ahadeeth are vain and useless and false. So much care was taken in compiling the ahadeeth, and such research and criticism were employed in the task, that they cannot be matched in any other religion.

The Jews also had compilations of hadeeth and Jesus was opposed by that sect of the Jews who followed the ahadeeth, but it is not proved that the Jewish compilers of hadeeth had exercised that care in compiling their collections as the Muslim compilers of hadeeth did.

Nevertheless, it would be a mistake to imagine that till the ahadeeth were compiled, the Muslims were unaware of the details of Prayer services or did not know the proper way of performing the pilgrimage. The practical illustrations of the sunnah had taught them all the limits and obligations laid down by Islam. It is true, therefore, that even if the ahadeeth, which were collected after a long time, had not been compiled this would not have affected the real teaching of Islam for the Holy Quran and practice had fulfilled this need.

The ahadeeth only added to that light and Islam became light upon light and the ahadeeth became testimonies for the Quran and sunnah. Of the many sects that subsequently appeared in Islam, the true one derived great benefit from the true ahadeeth. The correct way, therefore, is neither to treat the ahadeeth as having greater authority than the Quran, as do the Ahl-i-hadeeth of this age, and not to prefer the statements in the ahadeeth which are contradictory of the Quran to the Quran itself; nor to regard the ahadeeth as vain and false as is the belief of Maulvi Abdullah Chakralvi.

The Quran and sunnah should judge the ahadeeth and those that are not opposed to them should by all means be accepted. This is the straight path and blessed are those who follow it. Most unfortunate and foolish is the person who rejects the ahadeeth altogether without regard to the test that we have proposed. It should be the duty of the members of our community that a hadeeth which is not opposed to the Quran and sunnah, should be accepted and followed, however weak might be its authority, and it should be preferred to the rules framed by jurists Review on the Debate Between Batalwi and Chakrhalvi ((Qadian, 1902) Now printed in Ruhani Khazain, Vol.19 page 3-5).

I think that the true concept of Islamic sources of guidance would have been now clear to our friends in this forum.

Love for all; hatred for none


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus of Bible showed no signs; Jesus himself admitted before the Jews

May 9, 2009

Teachings of the Gospels—which the Christians are so proud of—are extremely flawed and ineffective

The Second Coming 1835-1908 says:

Just consider, can a person dare to give such a challenge to the whole world, while being a plagiarist and having cooked the whole thing up on his own, and knowing full well that this knowledge has not come to him from the unseen, rather he has stolen it from such and such books, and to think that no one should be able to accept his challenge and expose him!

The fact is that the Christians are extremely annoyed with the Holy Quran, for it has destroyed the very basis of their  religion. It has refuted the concept of deifying a human being, shattered the doctrine of the cross, and proven beyond all doubt that the teachings of the Gospels—which the Christians are so proud of—are extremely flawed and ineffective. It was, therefore, only natural for their tic passions to have been aroused, and their imputations [against the Holy Quran] are quite understandable.

The example of a Muslim who wishes to convert to Christianity is like a person who, having been born from his mother’s womb and having attained maturity, wishes to return to her womb and become a sperm once more. I wonder what the Christians are so proud of! If they have a ‘God’, he is the one who died long ago and lies buried in Mohalla Khanyar, Srinagar, Kashmir. And if he has any miracles to his name, they are no greater than those of other Prophets, indeed Prophet Elijah showed greater miracles than he ever did. In the eyes of the Jews, Jesus(as) showed no miracles at all, and it was all deception and trickery. (12) And if we look at his prophecies, most of them turned out to be false. Will some padre tell us if the twelve disciples were indeed given twelve thrones in Paradise, as they had been promised! And will someone tell us if, in keeping with his prophecy, Jesus(as) got the Kingdom of the World, for which—by the way—weapons
were also acquired. And did Jesus(as) descend from heaven in those very days, as he had promised?

Let me tell you that there can be no question of his descent, for he never went to heaven in the first place. European scholars also concur with this belief. The fact is that Jesus survived the crucifixion in a state of near death, and then secretly fled to Kashmir through India where he [ultimately] died.13 The teachings of the Gospels—regardless of whether they have been accused of plagiarism—emphasize only the human faculties of forbearance and forgiveness, and discard the rest. Everyone can understand that nothing which has been given to mankind by Divine Omnipotence is without a purpose, and every human faculty has a function.

Just as forgiveness and forbearance is considered a great virtue at certain times and occasions, so is retaliation, revenge and retribution considered a commendable moral quality at other times and on other occasions. Neither forgiveness, nor punishment is always desirable.

Foot Notes:
12 This statement of the Jews is corroborated by Jesus (as) himself, for he says in the Gospels, “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign, and there shall no sign be given unto it…” If Jesus (as) had shown miracles to the Jews, he would surely have referred to them on this occasion. [Author]

13 Those, who call themselves Muslims and yet believe that Jesus (as) ascended to heaven in his physical body, utter an absurdity against the Holy Quran which affirms Jesus’ death in the verse * , and precludes the possibility of a man ascending to heaven in the verse ** . How ignorant of them to hold a belief in
contradiction to the Word of God! There can be no greater folly than to translate the word tawaffa as ‘being lifted to heaven with one’s physical body’. Firstly, in no lexicon do we find the word tawaffa being translated
as such.

Moreover, since the verse speaks about the Day of Judgement, and this is what Jesus (as) will have to say for himself on that day, it follows that the Last Day will arrive but Jesus (as) will not have died, for he will have presented himself before God in his physical body before he could ever be made to suffer death. To misinterpret the Holy Quran thus is to surpass even the Jews in the art of interpolation! [Author]

* …when Thou didst cause me to die…—Al -Ma’idah, 5:118 [Publishers]

** Say, my Allah is Holy, I am not but a human being and a Messenger of God.—Bani Isra’il, 17:94 [Publishers]

12 This statement of the Jews is corroborated by Jesus (as) himself, for he says in the Gospels, “An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign, and there shall no sign be given unto it…” If Jesus (as) had shown miracles to the Jews, he would surely have referred to them on this occasion. [Author]


The News:

One will, perhaps, love to read the following:

“Holy War”: Is it Armageddon? With its “Peaceful Version”!

“Holy War”: Is it Armegiddon / Armageddon? – with its “Peaceful Version”! 1 | paarsurrey (

One will be taken aback to note that Armegiddon/Armageddon is nothing like as one would have imagined or known so far. It is not to be fought with any physical and destructive weaponry and or the lethal arsenal of the day. It is peaceful and in fact, I understand, had already been started and it is sown like a seed!

It was a debate between the Pauline-Christianity (represented by Mr. Abdullah Atham) and the Second Coming 1835-1908 , that took place in Urdu language and was published then by the name “Jang-e-Muqaddas” in 1893 ( 22 May 1893 to 5 June 1893) in the then British India and has been recently translated and published in English by the name “The Holy War”:

The Holy War — A DEBATE BETWEEN ISLAM & CHRISTIANITY — Jang-e-Muqaddas (



From: a peaceful Ahmadiyya Muslim

Word of God has been revealed on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908

March 25, 2009

modelbill Says:

Each of us, who has not hardened his heart, should have received a revelation from YHWH, that being a conviction for being a sinner (one who has broken YHWH’s commandments) in need of forgiveness and salvation from the death penalty for sin. You have yet to answer my question to you.

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend modelbill,

You mean your following question.


I admonish you once again to be honest with yourself in this question: what spirit leads you? Is it the spirit of the true Messiah Yahshua or the spirit of the anti-messiah?


Friend! I told you that according to the word “Revelation” as defined by Quran the Monotheistic Messianic don’t have anything with them revealed on Jesus; only Quran tells us as to what was revealed on Jesus.

According to the definition of Quran; Word of God Allah YHWH has been revealed and angels also visited to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah and Second Coming 1835-1908. I follow him.

I don’t have any personal experience of revelation or inspiration or visitation of angels myself. I am no scholar I admit. I am only an ordinary man in the street searching and researching for truth. My tools are to understand the revelations of God Allah YHWH with rational, reasonable and logical arguments which have been gifted by God Allah YHWH.

I think that helps
I love Jesus and Mary as I do love John the Baptist and his mother.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

We Muslims follow no specific translation of Quran: we follow the original Word of God in Arabic

March 3, 2009

Originally Posted by pvb:
LOL!! Which translation is true?

Paarsurrey says:


We Muslims follow the Quran in Arabic only; the original standard Word of God which is the same in all Muslim denominations. We don’t follow any specific translation or transliteration. The translations are at the most the interpretation of the translator as he understands it. It is not the Word of GodAllahYHWH.

Kindly therefore establish your view point from the Word of God; if you may like to do so.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

I am an Ahmadi – a peaceful faith in Islam bridging gaps between faiths/denominations/religions/agnostics.

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