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“Where did Mohammed get his revelations?”

May 29, 2015

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  1. If he talks with you as you say; then you may ask him the question. Please

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Why converse of G-d is needed by humans?

May 9, 2015

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Post #24

paarsurrey said:
Very practical, normal and successful persons have had Converse with G-d.

Paarsurrey wrote:

Like G-d talked to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (1835-1908) and directed him in 1882 to:

“wasseh makanaka” in Arabic Language.
Translation ” And enlarge your house”.

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Revelation is the most natural and most authentic source of knowledge for humanity

November 27, 2009

Revelation is the most natural and most authentic source for humanity

Hi friends

Revelation is the most natural and most authentic source of Knowledge for humanity.

Professor Keith Moore, one of the world’s prominent scientists of anatomy and embryology. University of Toronto, Canada It has been a great pleasure for me to help clarify statements in the Qur’an about human development. It is clear to me that these statements must have come to Muhammad from God, or ‘Allah’, because almost all of this knowledge was not discovered until many centuries later. This proves to me that Muhammad must have been a messenger of Allah.

Keith L. Moore

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopaedia

Keith L. Moore is a professor emeritus in the division of anatomy (department of surgery), former Chair of anatomy from 1974 to 1984[1] and associate dean for Basic Medical Sciences (Faculty of Medicine) at the University of Toronto, Ontario, Canada. He has also worked at the King Abdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Moreover, he is a founding member of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists (AACA). He was President of the AACA between 1989 and 1991[2]. He is most known for his textbooks on the subjects of anatomy and human embryology.

He has co-written (with professor Arthur F. Dalley II) Clinically Oriented Anatomy, which is the most popular English-language anatomy textbook in the world, used by scientists, doctors, physiotherapists and students worldwide. The book is especially popular because of its ‘blue boxes’ – passages of text on blue background that relate the classical anatomy to real-world concepts in the diagnosis and treatment of human patients. The book has been translated into multiple languages. He also co-wrote (with professor Anne M. R. Agur) Essential Clinical Anatomy.


The American Association of Clinical Anatomists awarded Dr. Moore with their Honored Member Award (in 1994).[3][4] In 2007, the American Association of Anatomists awarded him with the first Henry Gray/Elsevier Distinguished Educator Award[5].

Embryology and the Qur’an

Moore has written on “references to embryology in the Qur’an”, for instance, in an article for The Journal of the Islamic Medical Association, Vol. 18, Jan-June 1986, pp. 15-16.
I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran


Quran- and the eradication of slavery‎

July 24, 2009‎the-bigger-culprit/‎

Hi friend M A Khan

I think the Christian President of America is justified in making the statement as narrated ‎by you in the following words:‎

‎“President Obama, visiting a slave-fort in Ghana, condemned slavery, pointing to a ‎chruch that stood next to the slave-dungeons, to obviate the popular paradigm as to how ‎European Christians, with sanctions from the church, engaged in black slavery, probably ‎the only slavery that existed in history and is worth condemning.”‎

I also join the American President to condemn every part of slavery that exists anywhere ‎in the world or that existed any time in the history of the world.‎

Rather, I would suggest, the world should follow in foot steps of the humanity loving ‎Muhammad to eradicte slavery from the world; it is very much mentioned in the most ‎natural collection of Revelation from God Allah YHWH called Quran:‎

‎[90:9] Have We not given him two eyes,‎
‎[90:10] And a tongue and two lips?‎
‎[90:11] And We have pointed out to him the two highways of good and evil.‎
‎[90:12] But he attempted not the ascent courageously.‎
‎[90:13] And what should make thee know what the ascent is?‎
‎[90:14] It is the freeing of a slave.‎

I think there is no harm if the world learns from Quran/Islam/Muhammad as to how one ‎should love the humanity and human beings.‎


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Convey! And thy Lord is Most Generous,

July 5, 2009

‎28. jonc Says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm ‎

What you say makes sense – right up to the point that the Sahih Hadith about the ‎collection of the Koran are introduced.

33. paarsurrey Says:
July 4th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

Hi friend jonc

As I have mentioned in the earlier post, Quran as the word means was the revelation ‎descended on the heart of Muhammad from God Allah YHWH and he was guaranteed ‎from Him that he need not worry about making strenuous effort to remember the ‎Revelation; he would remember it naturally and he would not forget it. From Muhammad ‎his companions learnt it by heart or committed it to their memory.Writing the revelation ‎was only an auxiliary measure adopted by Muhammad.

It was not made incumbent on Muhammad, in my opinion, by any clear verse in Quran to ‎commit it to writing; I don’t see any such verse in Quran. Muhammad and his ‎companions loved Quran and exactly as the word Quran meant they recited Quran very ‎often, in the prayers and even without it; this is not an unusual thing, upto our times this ‎practice continues among Muslims. The text of Quran was compiled already in the ‎memory of Muhammad and his companions in the same form as it is found in our times ‎without any change. It needed no further compilation or collection.

One could go to any Muslim Mosque in any part of the world; there one could find ‎persons who remember Quran by heart. One may take a copy of Quran with one and ‎request them to recite Quran from their memory. One would find that there is no ‎difference in the written and the recited Quran from the heart.‎
There are so many verses in Quran from God Allah YHWH which say that He had made ‎it very easy to learn Quran and to commit it to memory. The Creator has made the human ‎mind and memory aligned and attuned to remember Quran with ease and convenience. I ‎don’t think there is any other Book in the world of the size of Quran which is committend ‎to memory with love as the Muslims do with Quran, only because it is a natural ‎Revelation from God Allah YHWH and He has taken it on Himself that it would remain ‎secure and protected in all times to come.

The written Quran was and is but a reflection of the loving heart of Muhammad, his ‎companions and the faithful believers in the whole world. Nobody could scratch it out of ‎their hearts; howsoever one tries. Uthman only made it very convenient to understand for ‎those who were not familiar with it , due to the spread of Islam in other parts of the ‎world; his effort are undoubtedly laudable.‎
It is remarkable indeed.

Love for all; hatred for none. Humans are but a family.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

34. Shafee al-Zindig Says:
July 5th, 2009 at 7:25 am

33. paarsurrey Says: “From Muhammad ‎his companions learnt it by heart or committed it to their memory.Writing the revelation ‎was only an auxiliary measure adopted by Muhammad. It was not made incumbent on Muhammad, in my opinion, by any clear verse in Quran to ‎commit it to writing; I don’t see any such verse in Quran.”

Have you read Sura 96 – The Clot? This was the very first Muhammad is supposed to have received in the cave at Hira outside Mecca where he used to go to meditate.

1.”Read: In the name of thy Lord who createth,
2. Createth man from a clot.
3. Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous
4. Who teacheth by the Pen,
5. Teacheth man that which he knew not.”

These verses clearly and unequivocally state that Muhammad was instructed to use “the pen” to record and teach the Quran to his followers. End of discussion!

35. 35. paarsurrey Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
July 5th, 2009 at 10:51 pm

Hi friend Shafee al-Zindiq

Thank you for quoting five verses from Quran; I would like to quote some more verses to make them in all eleven verses for the usual short context:

‏[96:1] بِسْمِ اللهِ الرَّحْمـٰنِ الرَّحِيمِ ‏
‎[96:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. ‎
‏[96:1] اللہ کے نام کے ساتھ جو بے انتہا رحم کرنے والا، بِن مانگے دینے والا (اور) بار بار ‏رحم کرنے والا ہے۔ ‏

‏[96:2] اقْرَاْ بِاسْمِ رَبِّكَ الَّذِىْ خَلَقَ‌ۚ‏ ‏
‎[96:2] Convey thou in the name of thy Lord Who created, ‎
‏[96:2] پڑھ اپنے ربّ کے نام کے ساتھ جس نے پیدا کیا۔ ‏

‏[96:3] خَلَقَ الْاِنْسَانَ مِنْ عَلَقٍ‌ۚ‏ ‏
‎[96:3] Created man from a clot of blood. ‎
‏[96:3] اُس نے انسان کو ایک چمٹ جانے والے لوتھڑے سے پیدا کیا۔ ‏

‏[96:4] اقْرَاْ وَرَبُّكَ الْاَكْرَمُۙ‏ ‏
‎[96:4] Convey! And thy Lord is Most Generous, ‎
‏[96:4] پڑھ، اور تیرا ربّ سب سے زیادہ معزز ہے۔ ‏

‏[96:5] الَّذِىْ عَلَّمَ بِالْقَلَمِۙ‏ ‏
‎[96:5] Who taught man by the pen, ‎
‏[96:5] جس نے قلم کے ذریعہ سکھایا۔ ‏

‏[96:6] عَلَّمَ الْاِنْسَانَ مَا لَمْ يَعْلَمْؕ‏ ‏
‎[96:6] Taught man what he knew not. ‎
‏[96:6] انسان کو وہ کچھ سکھایا جو وہ نہیں جانتا تھا۔ ‏

‏[96:7] كَلَّاۤ اِنَّ الْاِنْسَانَ لَيَطْغٰٓىۙ‏ ‏
‎[96:7] Nay! man does indeed transgress, ‎
‏[96:7] خبردار! انسان یقیناً سرکشی کرتا ہے۔ ‏

‏[96:8] اَنْ رَّاٰهُ اسْتَغْنٰىؕ‏ ‏
‎[96:8] Because he thinks himself to be independent. ‎
‏[96:8] (اس لئے) کہ اس نے اپنے آپ کو بے نیاز سمجھا۔ ‏

‏[96:9] اِنَّ اِلٰى رَبِّكَ الرُّجْعٰىؕ‏ ‏
‎[96:9] Surely, unto thy Lord is the return. ‎
‏[96:9] یقیناً تیرے ربّ ہی کی طرف لَوٹ کر جانا ہے۔ ‏

‏[96:10] اَرَءَيْتَ الَّذِىْ يَنْهٰىؕ‏ ‏
‎[96:10] Hast thou seen him who forbids ‎
‏[96:10] کیا تُو نے اُس شخص پر غور کیا جو روکتا ہے؟ ‏

‏[96:11] عَبْدًا اِذَا صَلّٰىؕ‏ ‏
‎[96:11] A servant of Ours when he prays? ‎
‏[96:11] ایک عظیم بندے کو جب وہ نماز پڑھتا ہے۔ ‏

I agree that there is mention of pen in the above verses; nevertheless there are no instruction contained therein for Muhammad to read a written text or to commit the revelation to writing. The instruction are generally given as a commandment or as doing something or not doing a thing. There is no instruction here to write, or to read from a writing, in my opinion.

All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

‎“Quran is Word of God revealed/descended on the heart of Muhammad under a ‎‎remarkable natural system, which no other “Book” in this world has ever had

July 3, 2009


‎24. Moooo Say:

July 2nd, 2009 at 8:47 am ‎

‎“Quran is Word of God revealed/descended on the heart of Muhammad under a ‎‎remarkable natural system, which no other “Book” in this world has ever had; and that ‎‎also proves that it is not authored by Muhammad; but it is from God Allah YHWH.”

Slow down, man. First explain this “remarkable natural system” before you conlude that ‎as a proof.

paarsurrey says:‎

Hi frined Moooo

I think my opinion on the remarkable natural system of Quran, which no other ‘Book’ ‎has, would be off-topic here. I am new here, I don’t know how a new thread is started in ‎this forum.Kindly guide me in this connection, and I would start a new thread for that.

Please note that Quran as the word means is a revelation which is most often read from ‎the memory of the heart or mind or brain; it does not necessarily mean to read from a ‎written and bound Book.Quran/Islam/Muhammad never claimed that it was a book that ‎descended from the heaven. Since, the revelation is under a unique system so, in my ‎opinion, it is primarily for this reason that it was also called a book; not that it was ‎necessarily to be written on any cloth, leather piece or leave of a tree or on the paper .

The non-believers asked Muhammad of a miralce, as is mentioned in Quran, that they ‎were ready to believe in Muhammad as a Messenger/Prophet of God Allah YHWH, if he ‎ascended to the heaven or the sky before their very eyes and brought a book from the ‎heaven or sky for their reading. Muhammad was reavealed and guded by God Allah ‎YHWH to answer them, that he was only a human being he could not do that.

The Revelation from the memory of human beings, of their heart and mind and brain has ‎reached us intact from the time of Muhammad to date. It has never eaten by any goat ‎whatsoever, or burnt by anybody, or corrupted by anyone. The system is remarkable and ‎most secure, I think.

Love for all; hatred for none


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Word of God has been revealed on Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908

March 25, 2009

modelbill Says:

Each of us, who has not hardened his heart, should have received a revelation from YHWH, that being a conviction for being a sinner (one who has broken YHWH’s commandments) in need of forgiveness and salvation from the death penalty for sin. You have yet to answer my question to you.

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend modelbill,

You mean your following question.


I admonish you once again to be honest with yourself in this question: what spirit leads you? Is it the spirit of the true Messiah Yahshua or the spirit of the anti-messiah?


Friend! I told you that according to the word “Revelation” as defined by Quran the Monotheistic Messianic don’t have anything with them revealed on Jesus; only Quran tells us as to what was revealed on Jesus.

According to the definition of Quran; Word of God Allah YHWH has been revealed and angels also visited to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the Promised Messiah and Second Coming 1835-1908. I follow him.

I don’t have any personal experience of revelation or inspiration or visitation of angels myself. I am no scholar I admit. I am only an ordinary man in the street searching and researching for truth. My tools are to understand the revelations of God Allah YHWH with rational, reasonable and logical arguments which have been gifted by God Allah YHWH.

I think that helps
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How would you define inspiration vis-à-vis revelation?

March 23, 2009

Modelbill, monotheist messianic says:

The truth is revealed by our Father YHWH to those who have a love for the truth. It is not found through “logic” or philosophy, which are the self-efforts and teachings of men.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend modelbill,

How would you define the word “revealed” in your post? Do you think that God Allah YHWH revealed something to Moses and Jesus?

Since you do not believe in logic and or philosophy; kindly mention; did the original revelation reached you and in what form? Secure or changed version; you know translations or transliterations are never exactly as the original.

How would you define inspiration vis-à-vis revelation?

Do you think that your faith is illogical, irrational, unreasonable and unwise or since it is not research oriented so it injures your fragile faith?

A blind faith is no faith, in my opinion. Do you agree with it?

I love Jesus and Mary as I do love Jonah and Noah


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

How to ascertain truth from untruth distinctively?

March 8, 2009

wellwateredgarden Says:

March 6, 2009 at 4:44 pm edit

I agree that respecting religious heroes of others certainly could form a basis for dialogue between different faiths and so promote peace.

Since it was God who made the world as we know it, truth can be found everywhere and among all peoples. There is, however, much more half-truth than genuine truth and that is the problem.

You and I are likely searching for the same truth but teachings and backgrounds have given us different perspectives of truth and how that should look. We both have probably stopped looking but now simply defend what we know about truth.

I appreciate you sincerity and love for others and certainly you will be rewarded for that.

May God bless you and keep you!

paarsurrey Says:

March 8, 2009 at 8:53 am edit

Hi wellwateredgarden,

I agree with you. The first step towards uniting the deists; Muslims, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, Sikhs Zoroastrians, Catholics and Protestants etc, is that the heroes of all Revealed Religions were truthful in origin.

Then comes the stage for truths and half truths in the scriptures; how to ascertain untruth mixed with the Truth or to differentiate between evil and virtue. GodAllahYHWH has also solved this problem. As a supposition, please take Quran as a standard. You will see that the problem would be solved in an easy way.

One must note that only Quran gives us the text for a claim and also a reason thereof. Bible and other revealed scriptures of other religions; either won’t give a clear/straightforward text for a claim in their support, in my opinion; and or reasons other scriptures just don’t not have them, in my opinion. Their adherents have to add words and or reasons or wisdom into the mouth of their religious heroes so that the text of their scriptures agrees with the context of their scriptures rationally, logically and naturally.

This we could distinctively know the standard from the un-standard; in an unbiased way and with ease.

I think you would please agree with me.

May GodAllahYHWH bless you!

I respect your faith and religion.

Welcome for any question/peaceful discussion


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Personal Revelation from the Divine

June 6, 2008

sunrisetantlize, has raised a question in a post titled “speaking to God” :

Your question:
Do you believe people can have spiritual gifts like revelation?

paarsurrey says:


It is upto GodAllahYHWH to speak to a person or not to speak; entirely the discretion of Him.

I don’t have such a personal experience but I understand that there are persons who have such an experience.

The PromisedMessiah 1835-1908 did have such experiences. I think you won’t mind if I quote from him in this connection:

The Speaker is Honoured with Divine Converse

I would be guilty of doing great wrong to my fellow beings if I were not to declare at this stage that divine bounty has bestowed upon me the status which I have just defined and has honoured me with the kind of converse the features of which I have just set out in detail, so that I should bestow sight upon the blind and should guide the seekers of the One Who has been so far lost, and should give to those who accept the truth the good news of that holy fountain of which many speak but which few find.

I wish to assure the listeners that the God, meeting with Whom is the salvation and eternal welfare of man, cannot be found without following the Holy Quran. Would that the people were to see that which I have seen, and were to hear that which I have heard, and should lay aside mere tales and should run to the truth.

The cleansing water which removes all doubt, that mirror
through which that Supreme Being can be seen, is converse with the Divine that I have just mentioned. Let him whose soul seeks the truth arise and search.

I tell you truly that if souls are charged with true
seeking and hearts develop true thirst, people would search for that way and would seek that path. How can that way be discovered, and how can the intervening veil be removed? I assure all seekers that it is
Islam alone which conveys the good news of that path. All other people have since long sealed up divine revelation. Be sure, however, that this seal is not imposed by God, but is an excuse that is put forward by man on account of his privation.

Be sure that as it is not possible that we should be able to see without eyes, or should be able to hear without ears, or should be able to speak without a tongue, in the same way it is not possible that without the help of the Quran we should be able to behold the countenance of the True Beloved.

I was young and am now old but I have not encountered anyone who has quaffed the cup of this visible understanding except out of this holy fountain.

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