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Why find fault when there is no reasonable ground to find fault with Quran?

November 5, 2017

Why find fault when there is no reasonable ground to find fault with Quran? It is an amazing Recitation with the same profound system/s that we find in nature and the expanding universe/s, with which the science verifies its all discoveries continuously. Why, please? Because the Recitation/Quran is authored by the same Being who created the expanding universe/s and everything in them, including the humans, while these never existed.

Thread: “What are the attributes of God?+ “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Christianity and Apologetics

Post 39: 

paarsurrey1

I discuss/debate only to find the truth.
Sorry, please don’t mind. Right, please?
Regards

m–o wrote:

If this were so, paarsurrey, we might expect you to see some faults in the Quran. However, since your truth solidly resides in that old book of remembered tales and invented divine edicts you are not going to be impressed by anything that does not accord with Quranic “truth”.

I have read the Quran so as not to speak from ignorance or other folk’s impressions; I find it resembles a war manual. You have failed to explain why you think it is a truthful text; you simple say it is. Somebody has said God dictated it and you happen to believe this incredible statement. Why not believe somebody else wen they say they spoke to God? What’s the difference?

paarsurrey1 wrote:

It is just a wrong notion. Why find fault when there is no reasonable ground to find fault with Quran? It is an amazing Recitation with the same profound system/s that we find in nature and the expanding universe/s, with which the science verifies its all discoveries continuously. Why, please? Because the Recitation/Quran is authored by the same Being who created the expanding universe/s and everything in them, including the humans, while these never existed. His Absolute-Existence made possible, though temporarily, from non-existence:

[51:48] And We have built the heaven* with Our own hands, and verily We have vast powers**.
[51:49] And the earth We have spread out, and how excellently do We prepare things!
[51:50] And of everything have We created pairs, that you may reflect.
[51:51] Flee ye therefore unto Allah. Surely, I am a plain Warner unto you from Him.
[51:52] And do not set up another God along with Allah. Surely, I am a plain Warner unto you from Him.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=51&verse=47
*universe/s
**expanding
Right, please?
Regards

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Quran is guidance for humanity, there is no doubt about it

July 28, 2017

I joined discussion at <https://redd.it/6pq1jr&gt; topic <What religious positions of yours have changed after people have demonstrated you were wrong? (self.DebateReligion)>:

submitted 2 days ago by publicani atheist

Oh hai.

This is for believer and non-believe alike. For myself: I used to be Catholic, and became Anti-theist out of my own reasoning; I was sure no god existed. Through debate, I have to admit that it’s possible that some god could exist, but I remain pretty sure that certain gods do not exist in this universe. Debate has also caused me to accept that billions of people asserting a claim is “some evidence” of the claim’s validity (I know that’s contentious–the point I’m making here is I changed a position based on people demonstrating I was inconsistent and wrong in my opinions).

If you haven’t ever changed your belief, would you state you’ve never been proven wrong? If you’ve been proven wrong but haven’t changed your belief, aren’t you operating in bad faith–and if not ‘bad faith,’ what are you doing?

[–]Rayalot72agnostic atheist 1 point an hour ago

Is it actually difficult to write a fiction consistent with reality when I don’t write about much of anything in the physical world?

Are you a creationist?

[–]paarsurrey  4 minutes ago

“Is the Quran fireproof?”

June 12, 2017

The above is a thread started by someone at my favorite discussion forum   (https://www.religiousforums.com/), for some good reasons which I don’t want to contest, I cannot presently participate in the discussion . One could participate in the discussion by clicking post #1 or just view the discussion at the forum.

I have liked following posts on the subject:

#12 , #16 and  #17 , 

OOOOOOOOOO

Paarsurrey comments:

Quran is a revelation that descended on the heart of Muhammad by God and the whole of it is memorized by heart by the Muslims, and those who cannot memorize it they at least memorize a part of it, from the times of Muhammad. If the intention of those who burnt it to destroy it, they cannot do it from the hearts of the Muslims.

As a second measure, Quran was also written down in the times of Muhammad and standardized by his Caliphs, and the non-standard copies were burnt by the Caliph themselves. So burning of Quran with a good intention is no wrong.

In fact, the worn out copies of Quran or torn pages of it are lawful to be burnt or to put them in a flowing stream or river or a lake or in the sea, to dispose them off.

It is the intention of those who do it, that matters. If the intention is wrong then it is just a childish measure done by some insane individuals, they must be answerable to the law of land where the bad act has been done.

Sure, it is a condemnable act.

OOOOOOOOO

One may like to view the following article:

Qur’an Disposal

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/

I give an excerpt from it:

“When Muslims want to respectfully dispose of a text of the Qur’an that is no longer usable, we will burn it. So if someone, for example, in their own private collection or library had a text of the Qur’an that was damaged or that was in disrepair, so the binding was ruined, etc., or it got torn, they might bring it by to the Islamic Center and ask that someone here dispose of it properly if they were unsure how to do that. And what I’ll do is I’ll take it to my fireplace at home and burn it there in the fireplace. So I sort of take the pages out and then burn it to make sure that it gets thoroughly charred and is no longer recognizable as script.”

Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/

One would also like to read the following comments on the above site:

Most Islamic scholars agree that burning old copies of the Quran, in a respectful manner in a clean place, is acceptable as a last resort. In this case, one must ensure that the burning is complete, meaning that no words are left legible and the pages have been fully destroyed. At no time should a Quran be burned with the regular trash. Some add that the ashes should then be buried or scattered in running water (see above).
The permission for this practice comes from the early Muslims, at the time of Caliph Uthman bin Affan. After the official, agreed-upon version of the Quran had been compiled in a consistent dialect of Arabic, the official version was copied while the old or nonconforming Qurans were burned.

As always in life, it is not the act as much as it is the intention.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/

 

 

 

Multiple English translations of Quran

May 24, 2017

Blog Post # 2068

There are about 50+ English translations of Quran at the following website:

 Search IslamAwakened:
Just putting the chapter/verse in the Custom Search, one get all the translation at one page.
Amazing!
Thanks to Islam Awakened website.
Regards

 

Is Quran self-explanatory?

October 28, 2016
 10/28/2016
Yes. It needs nothing to explain its contents and the meaning. Following peculiarities of Quran may be noted, please:
1. Quran is self-explanatory, it explains its meaning in the context verses, some verses preceding and some verses following of the verse in question, to make itself clear Quran explains the subjects in different verses of Quran in different styles. Its diction also becomes clear if one sees all the words of the word-roots used in Quran. Quran doesn’t need anything else in the exterior.
2. Quran corrects the history, rather history correcting it. Sure, the verses of Quran were revealed on a particular occasion, so all of it was practically required by the humans but the verses were arranged as per the guidance provided to Muhammad by G-d as to where they should find their placed while memorizing the Quran/Recitation and in the scripture that was written immediately by the appointed scribes.
3. Quran does make a constructive, objective and normative/principled criticism of the other Word Revealed, the people who believed in them and their tenets and as such corrects the narratives of Torah and other revealed scriptures of all religions of the world in some with names and others in generic formations.
4. Quran does include in it lasting teachings given to the past prophets that has similarity with Quran and also gives teachings that are not found in the past prophets and it is reasonable.
5. Quran confirms the truthfulness of the founders of other religions and binds Quran’s followers to accept them truthful and makes it one of the basic articles of faith of Islam. This way Quran elevates other revealed religions.
Please
Regards

Quran has an amazing system

October 27, 2016

https://www.onfaith.co/discussion/quran-has-an-amazing-system

Added by Paarsurrey .
Author :paarsurrey
Like the universe has a system in it, likewise Quran has a system in it. One cannot create the universe, similarly one cannot create the system Quran has for the ethical, moral and spiritual issues of humanity. it has claims as well as the reasons in it, impossible for a human to do it. Muhammad or any other person could not have authored Quran. it is authored by G-d whatever the proper name of Him in any language that a people speak. Regards

“Does the Quran contradict itself”

June 23, 2015

<www.religiousforums.com>Thread:”Does the Quran contradict itself”.

Please click the post # below to view,comment and join discussion on the topic.

Post #2

Paarsurrey wrote:

I give below both the verses with the verses in the context( five preceding and five following verses):

[21:26]And We sent no Messenger before thee but We revealed to him,saying, ‘There is no God but I; so worship Mealone.’
[21:27]And they say, ‘The GraciousGodhas taken to Himself a son.’ Holy is He. Nay, they areonlyhonoured servants.
[21:28]They speak not before He speaks, and they actonlyby His command.
[21:29]He knows what is before them and what is behind them, and they intercede not except for him whom He approves, and they act cautiously for fear of Him.
[21:30]And whosoever of them should say, ‘I am a God beside Him,’ him shall We requite with Hell. Thus do We requite the wrongdoers.
[21:31]Do not the disbelievers see that the heavens and the earth wereaclosed-upmass, then We opened them out? And We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?
[21:32]And We have made in the earth firm mountains lest it should quake with them; and We have made therein wide pathways, that they may be rightly guided.
[21:33]And We have made the heaven a roof, well protected; yet they turn away from its Signs.
[21:34]And He it is Who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon, each gliding along initsorbit.
[21:35]We granted not everlasting life to any human being before thee. If then thou shouldst die, shall they liveherefor ever?

The Holy Quran Arabic text with Translation in English text and Search Engine – Al Islam Online

[41:6]And they say: ‘Our hearts are under coversand are protectedagainst that to which thou callest us, and in our ears there is a deafness, and between us and thee there is a screen. So carry on thy work; wetooare working.’
[41:7]Say, ‘I am only a man like you. It is revealed to me that your God is One God; so go ye straight to Himwithout deviating, and ask forgiveness of Him.’ And woe to the idolaters,
[41:8]Who give not the Zakat, and they it is who deny the Hereafter.
[41:9]As tothose who believe and do good works, they will surely have a reward that will never end.
[41:10]Say: ‘Do you really disbelieve in Him Who created the earth in two days? And do you set up equals to Him?’ That is the Lord of the worlds.
[41:11]He placed therein firm mountains rising above itssurface, and blessed itwith abundance, and provided therein its foods in proper measure in four days — alike forallseekers.
[41:12]Then He turned to the heaven while it wassomething likesmoke, and said to it and to the earth: ‘Come ye both of you, willingly or unwillingly.’ They said, ‘We come willingly.’
[41:13]So He completed them into seven heavens in two days, and He revealed to each heaven its function. And We adorned the lowest heaven with lampsfor lightand for protection. That is the decree of the Mighty, the All-Knowing.
[41:14]But if they turn away, then say: ‘I warn you of a destructive punishment like the punishment whichovertook‘Ad and Thamud.’
[41:15]When their Messengers came to them from before them and behind them,saying: ‘Worship none but Allah,’ they said: ‘If our Lord hadsowilled, He would have certainly sent down angels. So we do disbelieve in that with which you have been sent.’
[41:16]As for ‘Ad, they behaved arrogantly in the earth without any justification and said, ‘Who is mightier than we in power?’ Do they not see that Allah, Who created them, is mightier than they in power? Still they continued to deny Our Signs.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=41&verse=11
A verse is best understood from the verses in the context.
Now please prove your viewpoint.

Regards

Post #5

Paarsurrey wrote:

If you would have pondered a little, you would have found no contradiction there.
Is there even a day in the Universe? Please
Regards

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Quran is the only authentic source of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; other source never existed in the time of Muhammad

March 9, 2014

Random thoughts
“Gibbon on Mohammed”
https://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/gibbon-on-mohammed/
https://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/gibbon-on-mohammed/comment-page-1/#comment-12353

paarsurrey says:
March 9, 2014 at 18:38

What I meant to say was that if one wanted to make a valid and valuable comment on Islam/Muhammad then it would be most reasonable for one to make it from what is written in Quran as it is the first and the foremost source of guidance of Muslims whatever the denomination; else your comments have no weightage.

Other sources of any authenticity simply never existed in the time of Muhammad.

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/gibbon-on-mohammed/#comment-12355

paarsurrey says:
March 9, 2014 at 19:12
@ makagutu

I think, perhaps, you have not read Quran yourself intently; all events of high value are recorded in Quran as soon as these happened.

Hadith was written about 250/300 years after Muhammad. All tenets and practices of Islam are amply mentioned in Quran. If there had been no Hadith even then Quran was sufficient for guidance of the Muslims.

Quran existed in the time of Muhammad; the Revelation was received and completed in 23 years of the ministry of Muhammad; and primarily committed to memory by the Muslims; only as a secondary measure it was also written down by the scribes as dictated to them by Muhammad.

I therefore request you to read Quran yourself for any valuable comments on Quran/Islam/Muhammad; else they go waste.

http://maasaiboys.wordpress.com/2014/03/06/gibbon-on-mohammed/#comment-12365

paarsurrey says:
March 9, 2014 at 19:44
@ makagutu

We believe in the One-True-God (Allah) and believe in Muhammad as a Messenger of Him. The Message of Allah is important to us; we don’t have to go into details of the private and personal life of Muhammad as we don’t worship him.
Following are primarily important for Muslims:

Six Articles of Faith

• Unity of God
• His Angels
• His Books
• His Prophets
• The Last Day
• Divine Decree

Five Pillars of Islam
• Kalima
• Prayer
• Fasting
• Zakaat
• Hajj

http://www.alislam.org/

Thanks

Islam/Quran/Muhammad: “no article of faith”; or “pillar of Islam” has any myth in it

March 7, 2014

Please view paarsurrey comments on blog “triangulation” for your valuable opinion:

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/defining-religion-ninian-smart/

“Defining Religion: Ninian Smart”

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/03/05/defining-religion-ninian-smart/#comment-125352

paarsurrey
03/06/2014 at 5:59 pm

@Sabio Lantz : 03/06/2014 at 3:58 pm

I think you won’t mind if I point out that the illustration you made titled “Ninian Smart’s model” has the dropper/marker second from left as “myths”; making total six components of religion; please see in the beginning of your post. Since you supported him in your post so you have to tell as to what you understand from a myth.

The Truthful Religion has six Article of Faith, no doubt it:

• Unity of God
• His Angels
• His Books
• His Prophets
• The Last Day
• Divine Decree

And five Pillars of Islam:

• Kalima
• Prayer
• Fasting
• Zakaat
• Hajj

http://www.alislam.org/

“myths” are definitely not one of them.

I like your blog but I don’t have necessarily/always to agree with whatever you write.

Please be tolerant for a differing voice

Thanks and regards

It is up to the atheists; they all may join in to prove violence in Quran, verse by verse, from the context

March 2, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Dwindling In Unbelief”
“Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/
https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogid=26149572&postid=114987521408797161&page=2&token=1393790601994

paarsurrey said…

@Richard said:Sun Mar 02, 11:01:00 AM 2014

“You should also note the effort by paarsurrey to say the Quran was taken out of context.”Unquote

I still maintain that; since we are not in a formal debate; when you started being off-topic and shifted to Hadith and hearsay; I withdrew from the discussion temporarily.

If you can keep yourself restrained to Quran and its context; you will see me back in the discussion again.

Now it is up to the atheists; they all may join in.
Sun Mar 02, 12:03:00 PM 2014

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogid=26149572&postid=114987521408797161&page=2&token=1393790601994