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Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad

December 4, 2019

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/quotes-series-from-quran-authored-by-g-d-not-by-muhammad.227090/page-14#post-6426040

Quotes Series: From Quran- Authored by G-d not by Muhammad
Post #272 

Paarsurrey wrote:

“Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word “say.” ”

Quran is authored by G-d as per the criterion suggested by our Christian friend @xxxxxx in post #97 in this thread . G-d tells Muhammad with the word “say” and or “قُلۡ” in Arabic original language and I have quoted many such verses in my previous posts .
Yet there are other styles (many of them) that depict that the Converse is direct from G-d with Muhammad. Since I daily read some portion of Quran(1/120) very early in the morning, so I will be quoting as I observe them while I read Quran. The words “اَلَمۡ تَرَ” or “Dost thou” is another style of direct address to Muhammad by G-d. And “یٰۤاَیُّہَا النَّبِیُّ” or “O thou Prophet” is yet another one:

[33:17]قُلۡ لَّنۡ یَّنۡفَعَکُمُ الۡفِرَارُ اِنۡ فَرَرۡتُمۡ مِّنَ الۡمَوۡتِ اَوِ الۡقَتۡلِ وَ اِذًا لَّا تُمَتَّعُوۡنَ اِلَّا قَلِیۡلًا ﴿۱۷﴾
Say, ‘Flight shall not avail you if you flee from death or slaughter; and even then you will enjoy but a little.’
[33:18]قُلۡ مَنۡ ذَا الَّذِیۡ یَعۡصِمُکُمۡ مِّنَ اللّٰہِ اِنۡ اَرَادَ بِکُمۡ سُوۡٓءًا اَوۡ اَرَادَ بِکُمۡ رَحۡمَۃً ؕ وَ لَا یَجِدُوۡنَ لَہُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ وَلِیًّا وَّ لَا نَصِیۡرًا ﴿۱۸﴾
Say, ‘Who is it that can save you against Allah if it be His wish to do you harm or if it be His wish to show you mercy?’ And they will not find for themselves any friend or helper other than Allah.
The Holy Quran – Chapter: 32: As-Sajdah

Right, please?
For the context of the above verses , please, access the above link.

  1. Is there any such verse in the Torah of the Judaism where G-d has directly addressed Moses, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
  2. Is there any such verse in the Bible of the Christianity where G-d (not Jesus, as Jesus was never god or son of god) has directly addressed Jesus, please?If yes, please quote it here. Right, please?
  3. Is there any such verse in Kitab-i-Iqan by Bahaullah (where G-d has directly spoken to Bahaullah, Bahaullah was never a god), there cannot be any verse as G-d did not speak to Bahaullah directly? If there is any, please quote it here. Right, please?
  4. Kitab-i-Iqan was written by Bahaullah in 1862 (not revealed by G-d ) and the Covenant was taken by Bahaullah (without any direct Converse/Commandment of G-d, as I understand) in 1863. Therefore, if there had been any direct Converse from G-d Bahaullah would have mentioned it in Kitab-i-Iqan. In the Pre-Covenant period, Kitab-i-Iqan is the only core book of Bahaullah. Right,please?

Regards
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I observe that Quran right from its start to its end is a direct Converse and in a sense a continuous dialogue between G-d and Muhammad providing live guidance, and through Muhammad to his companions, to the other people of his time and the world at large and for all times to come to all humanity. Right, please?

  • “یٰۤاَیُّہَا الرَّسُوۡلُ ” translated in English with the words “O Messenger” is another style, please refer my post #243 .
  • “وَ لَوۡ تَرٰۤی “/ “If only thou couldst see” as mentioned in post #255.
  • Another mode of direct Converse is direct commandment as in the verse [32:31] “فَاَعۡرِضۡ” , “وَ انۡتَظِرۡ” So turn away from them, and wait #261.

Direct “Word of G-d” is prefaced by the word “say”

November 17, 2019

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/quotes-series-from-quran-authored-by-g-d-not-by-muhammad.227090/page-6#post-6402649

#108paarsurrey

“Usually a direct word will be prefaced by the word “say.” ”

There are many a verse in Quran that preface the word “say” or the Arabic word “قُلۡ” one such verse is :

[17:82]وَ قُلۡ جَآءَ الۡحَقُّ وَ زَہَقَ الۡبَاطِلُ ؕ اِنَّ الۡبَاطِلَ کَانَ زَہُوۡقًا ﴿۸۲﴾
And say, ‘Truth has come and falsehood has vanished away. Falsehood does indeed vanish away fast.’
The Holy Quran – Chapter: 17: Bani Isra’il

Friend @xxxxx
Doesn’t it prove that Quran is authored by G-d and not authored by Muhammad,please?

Friend @xxxxxxx
I have read “Kitab-i-Iqan” or the “Book of Certitude” from cover to cover .
“it is” the “primary theological work” of Bahaullah. “The work was composed partly in Persian and partly in Arabic by Bahá’u’lláh“:
Kitáb-i-Íqán – Wikipedia
I have read it in Persian/Farsi, and Arabic and in English. I didn’t find any sentence in it from G-d which is prefaced by the word “say” or the Arabic word “قُلۡ”. Did I miss to note it please?

Regards
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Furhter the Bahá’í Reference Library Writings of Bahá’u’lláh mentions,
“The Kitáb-i-Íqán – The Book of Certitude.
A treatise revealed by Bahá’u’lláh in Baghdad in 1861/62 in response to questions posed by one of the maternal uncles of the Báb, translated by Shoghi Effendi and first published in English in 1931.”
The Kitáb-i-Íqán | Bahá’í Reference Library
So even the publishers Bahá’í Reference Library testify that it is not Word from G-d. Right, please?

Quran is the greatest miracle ever-happened

May 1, 2019

Religious Forums

#73 paarsurrey

I have to add for example the greatest miracle for example.
Quran is the greatest miracle ever-happened:

  1. Its authorship by G-d.
  2. Its being in a wonderful system
  3. Its being published in the whole world verbally as well as in written form
  4. Its remaining pristine and secure in the original form in verbal as well as written form in the Arabic text
  5. Its language is a living language
  6. Its being dynamic, like an operating manual.
  7. Its being always fresh and reformed with in-built reformers.
  8. Etc, etc, and etc……………..

Please

Regards

Whatever the translation, Quran corrects it.

April 29, 2019

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-jesus-crucified-or-not.217361/page-11#post-6085395

Ellexxxxxxx said: 

#202 paarsurrey

Nobody’s translation is perfect. No translation of Quran is Word of G-d, the Word of G-d is text of Quran in Arabic.
Whatever the translation, Quran corrects it if the reader understands it from the context verses and the verses in other chapters of Quran. Every translation of Quran whether done by a Non-Muslim or Muslim, Shia or Sunni or whatever, if it is checked with the above principle derived from the Quran itself guides the reader perfectly. No doubt remains if a sincere and unbiased search is made and pondered intently. For the test case we can take this very Verse of Quran 4:157-158. Right, please?

Regards

Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross – Quran Sura 4:157-158 explains

Quran is valid till the end of the world

April 26, 2019

Religious Forums

#147 paarsurrey

Whatever the Hadith/Tradition/Saying etc, it should be understood within the purview of Quran- Word of G-d. And if the Hadith/Tradition/Saying etc is against the verses of Quran, it is either to be rejected forthwith or else interpreted within the scope of Quran.
Quran in itself is complete and needs nothing from elsewhere NT-Bible or OT-Bible or Torah or any other religious scripture or non-religious ones. Quran is valid till the end of the world when everything in the Universe will come to an end:

AYAH ar-Rahman 55:26
Arabic[​IMG] كُلُّ مَنْ عَلَيْهَا فَانٍ [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] Kullu man AAalayha fanin [​IMG]
Transliteration-2 kullu man ʿalayhā fānin [​IMG]
Literal
(Word by Word) Everyone who (is) on it (will) perish.

AYAH ar-Rahman 55:27
Arabic[​IMG] وَيَبْقَىٰ وَجْهُ رَبِّكَ ذُو الْجَلَالِ وَالْإِكْرَامِ [​IMG]
Transliteration[​IMG] Wayabqa wajhu rabbika thoo aljalali waal-ikrami [​IMG]
Transliteration-2 wayabqā wajhu rabbika dhū l-jalāli wal-ik’rāmi [​IMG]
Literal
(Word by Word) But will remain (the) Face (of) your Lord, (the) Owner (of) Majesty and Honor.
ar-Rahman 55:27

Regards

 

Was “Jesus’ resurrection an intentional deception by God”?

April 23, 2019

Blog post # 2223

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/the-quran-intentions-vs-effects.219136/page-18#post-6077264

“Qur’an 2:193
“… But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression … ” Unquote

#352  paarsurrey

That is the point.

Regards

“Jesus’ resurrection was intentional deception by Allah” Unquote

#353 paarsurrey

Sorry, G-d does not do any deception, it is people who got deceived from a situation.

Jesus did not die a cursed death on the the Cross, as Jews of that time had planned and or ordinary Christians thought of . Jesus survived miraculously against all odds, he was treated in the tomb of Joseph of Arimathea by physicians like Nicodemus with the prescriptions of treatment already by told by Jesus to him.

As to what happened at that time, please read my posts #1#5 , #6 , #8 and #9 in another thread , please.

Regards

 

 

In what sense Abraham, Moses, Jesus were Muslim?

April 23, 2019

Blog post # 2222

Religious Forums

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/religion-is-one-in-bahai-faith.220077/#post-6077259

“I’ve read the Koran and Muslims believe that Jews and Christians originally were “Muslims” even before the advent of Muhammad.”Unquote

#8 paarsurrey, 
Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, are attached to some personal names (like Juda, Christ, Buddha, ), not the generic name. Submission to One-True-God is essence of Religion, Islam depicts this attribute of the believers. Abraham, Moses, Jesus are/were in this sense Muslims:

[[2:112]وَ قَالُوۡا لَنۡ یَّدۡخُلَ الۡجَنَّۃَ اِلَّا مَنۡ کَانَ ہُوۡدًا اَوۡ نَصٰرٰی ؕ تِلۡکَ اَمَانِیُّہُمۡ ؕ قُلۡ ہَاتُوۡا بُرۡہَانَکُمۡ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ صٰدِقِیۡنَ ﴿۱۱۲﴾
And they say, ‘None shall ever enter Heaven unless he be a Jew or a Christian.’ These are their vain desires. Say, ‘Produce your proof, if you are truthful.’
[[2:113]بَلٰی ٭ مَنۡ اَسۡلَمَ وَجۡہَہٗ لِلّٰہِ وَ ہُوَ مُحۡسِنٌ فَلَہٗۤ اَجۡرُہٗ عِنۡدَ رَبِّہٖ ۪ وَ لَا خَوۡفٌ عَلَیۡہِمۡ وَ لَا ہُمۡ یَحۡزَنُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱۳﴾٪
Nay, whoever submits himself completely to Allah, and is the doer of good, shall have his reward with his Lord. No fear shall come upon such, neither shall they grieve.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/2:112
[[2:135]تِلۡکَ اُمَّۃٌ قَدۡ خَلَتۡ ۚ لَہَا مَا کَسَبَتۡ وَ لَکُمۡ مَّا کَسَبۡتُمۡ ۚ وَ لَا تُسۡـَٔلُوۡنَ عَمَّا کَانُوۡا یَعۡمَلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۳۵﴾
Those are a people that have passed away; for them is what they earned, and for you shall be what you earn; and you shall not be questioned as to what they did.
[[2:136]وَ قَالُوۡا کُوۡنُوۡا ہُوۡدًا اَوۡ نَصٰرٰی تَہۡتَدُوۡا ؕ قُلۡ بَلۡ مِلَّۃَ اِبۡرٰہٖمَ حَنِیۡفًا ؕ وَ مَا کَانَ مِنَ الۡمُشۡرِکِیۡنَ ﴿۱۳۶﴾
And they say, ‘Be ye Jews or Christians that you may be rightly guided.’ Say: ‘Nay, follow ye the religion of Abraham who was ever inclined to God; he was not of those who set up gods with God.’
[2:137]قُوۡلُوۡۤا اٰمَنَّا بِاللّٰہِ وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلَیۡنَا وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلٰۤی اِبۡرٰہٖمَ وَ اِسۡمٰعِیۡلَ وَ اِسۡحٰقَ وَ یَعۡقُوۡبَ وَ الۡاَسۡبَاطِ وَ مَاۤ اُوۡتِیَ مُوۡسٰی وَ عِیۡسٰی وَ مَاۤ اُوۡتِیَ النَّبِیُّوۡنَ مِنۡ رَّبِّہِمۡ ۚ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَیۡنَ اَحَدٍ مِّنۡہُمۡ ۫ۖ وَ نَحۡنُ لَہٗ مُسۡلِمُوۡنَ ﴿۱۳۷﴾
Say ye: ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to all other Prophets from their Lord. We make no difference between any of them; and to Him we submit ourselves.’
The Holy Quran – Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah
[2:141]اَمۡ تَقُوۡلُوۡنَ اِنَّ اِبۡرٰہٖمَ وَ اِسۡمٰعِیۡلَ وَ اِسۡحٰقَ وَ یَعۡقُوۡبَ وَ الۡاَسۡبَاطَ کَانُوۡا ہُوۡدًا اَوۡ نَصٰرٰی ؕ قُلۡ ءَاَنۡتُمۡ اَعۡلَمُ اَمِ اللّٰہُ ؕ وَ مَنۡ اَظۡلَمُ مِمَّنۡ کَتَمَ شَہَادَۃً عِنۡدَہٗ مِنَ اللّٰہِ ؕ وَ مَا اللّٰہُ بِغَافِلٍ عَمَّا تَعۡمَلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۴۱﴾
Do you say that Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and his children were Jews or Christians? Say, ‘Do you know better or Allah?’ And who is more unjust than he who conceals the testimony that he has from Allah? And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
[[2:142]تِلۡکَ اُمَّۃٌ قَدۡ خَلَتۡ ۚ لَہَا مَا کَسَبَتۡ وَ لَکُمۡ مَّا کَسَبۡتُمۡ ۚ وَ لَا تُسۡـَٔلُوۡنَ عَمَّا کَانُوۡا یَعۡمَلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۴۲﴾٪
Those are a people that have passed away; for them is what they earned, and for you shall be what you earn; and you shall not be questioned as to what they did.
The Holy Quran – Chapter: 2: Al-Baqarah

The issue has been discussed in different styles so that no doubt is left. One should attribute one’s religion to the One-True-God.
Right, please?

Regards

 

Why find fault when there is no reasonable ground to find fault with Quran?

November 5, 2017

Why find fault when there is no reasonable ground to find fault with Quran? It is an amazing Recitation with the same profound system/s that we find in nature and the expanding universe/s, with which the science verifies its all discoveries continuously. Why, please? Because the Recitation/Quran is authored by the same Being who created the expanding universe/s and everything in them, including the humans, while these never existed.

Thread: “What are the attributes of God?+ “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Christianity and Apologetics

Post 39: 

paarsurrey1

I discuss/debate only to find the truth.
Sorry, please don’t mind. Right, please?
Regards

m–o wrote:

If this were so, paarsurrey, we might expect you to see some faults in the Quran. However, since your truth solidly resides in that old book of remembered tales and invented divine edicts you are not going to be impressed by anything that does not accord with Quranic “truth”.

I have read the Quran so as not to speak from ignorance or other folk’s impressions; I find it resembles a war manual. You have failed to explain why you think it is a truthful text; you simple say it is. Somebody has said God dictated it and you happen to believe this incredible statement. Why not believe somebody else wen they say they spoke to God? What’s the difference?

paarsurrey1 wrote:

It is just a wrong notion. Why find fault when there is no reasonable ground to find fault with Quran? It is an amazing Recitation with the same profound system/s that we find in nature and the expanding universe/s, with which the science verifies its all discoveries continuously. Why, please? Because the Recitation/Quran is authored by the same Being who created the expanding universe/s and everything in them, including the humans, while these never existed. His Absolute-Existence made possible, though temporarily, from non-existence:

[51:48] And We have built the heaven* with Our own hands, and verily We have vast powers**.
[51:49] And the earth We have spread out, and how excellently do We prepare things!
[51:50] And of everything have We created pairs, that you may reflect.
[51:51] Flee ye therefore unto Allah. Surely, I am a plain Warner unto you from Him.
[51:52] And do not set up another God along with Allah. Surely, I am a plain Warner unto you from Him.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=51&verse=47
*universe/s
**expanding
Right, please?
Regards

Quran is guidance for humanity, there is no doubt about it

July 28, 2017

I joined discussion at <https://redd.it/6pq1jr&gt; topic <What religious positions of yours have changed after people have demonstrated you were wrong? (self.DebateReligion)>:

submitted 2 days ago by publicani atheist

Oh hai.

This is for believer and non-believe alike. For myself: I used to be Catholic, and became Anti-theist out of my own reasoning; I was sure no god existed. Through debate, I have to admit that it’s possible that some god could exist, but I remain pretty sure that certain gods do not exist in this universe. Debate has also caused me to accept that billions of people asserting a claim is “some evidence” of the claim’s validity (I know that’s contentious–the point I’m making here is I changed a position based on people demonstrating I was inconsistent and wrong in my opinions).

If you haven’t ever changed your belief, would you state you’ve never been proven wrong? If you’ve been proven wrong but haven’t changed your belief, aren’t you operating in bad faith–and if not ‘bad faith,’ what are you doing?

[–]Rayalot72agnostic atheist 1 point an hour ago

Is it actually difficult to write a fiction consistent with reality when I don’t write about much of anything in the physical world?

Are you a creationist?

[–]paarsurrey  4 minutes ago

“Is the Quran fireproof?”

June 12, 2017

The above is a thread started by someone at my favorite discussion forum   (https://www.religiousforums.com/), for some good reasons which I don’t want to contest, I cannot presently participate in the discussion . One could participate in the discussion by clicking post #1 or just view the discussion at the forum.

I have liked following posts on the subject:

#12 , #16 and  #17 , 

OOOOOOOOOO

Paarsurrey comments:

Quran is a revelation that descended on the heart of Muhammad by God and the whole of it is memorized by heart by the Muslims, and those who cannot memorize it they at least memorize a part of it, from the times of Muhammad. If the intention of those who burnt it to destroy it, they cannot do it from the hearts of the Muslims.

As a second measure, Quran was also written down in the times of Muhammad and standardized by his Caliphs, and the non-standard copies were burnt by the Caliph themselves. So burning of Quran with a good intention is no wrong.

In fact, the worn out copies of Quran or torn pages of it are lawful to be burnt or to put them in a flowing stream or river or a lake or in the sea, to dispose them off.

It is the intention of those who do it, that matters. If the intention is wrong then it is just a childish measure done by some insane individuals, they must be answerable to the law of land where the bad act has been done.

Sure, it is a condemnable act.

OOOOOOOOO

One may like to view the following article:

Qur’an Disposal

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/

I give an excerpt from it:

“When Muslims want to respectfully dispose of a text of the Qur’an that is no longer usable, we will burn it. So if someone, for example, in their own private collection or library had a text of the Qur’an that was damaged or that was in disrepair, so the binding was ruined, etc., or it got torn, they might bring it by to the Islamic Center and ask that someone here dispose of it properly if they were unsure how to do that. And what I’ll do is I’ll take it to my fireplace at home and burn it there in the fireplace. So I sort of take the pages out and then burn it to make sure that it gets thoroughly charred and is no longer recognizable as script.”

Religion & Ethics NewsWeekly

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/

One would also like to read the following comments on the above site:

Most Islamic scholars agree that burning old copies of the Quran, in a respectful manner in a clean place, is acceptable as a last resort. In this case, one must ensure that the burning is complete, meaning that no words are left legible and the pages have been fully destroyed. At no time should a Quran be burned with the regular trash. Some add that the ashes should then be buried or scattered in running water (see above).
The permission for this practice comes from the early Muslims, at the time of Caliph Uthman bin Affan. After the official, agreed-upon version of the Quran had been compiled in a consistent dialect of Arabic, the official version was copied while the old or nonconforming Qurans were burned.

As always in life, it is not the act as much as it is the intention.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/religionandethics/2011/09/16/september-16-2011-quran-disposal/9519/