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How to study Quran for a meaningful discussion?

March 18, 2014

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PAARSURREY says:
March 18, 2014 at 10:39 pm

@BOBBIERILEYJR says:March 17, 2014 at 10:48 pm

“This is getting a tad tiresome.”

It is not at all difficult; and not at all tiresome.

I think that you have not intently studied Quran yourself previously and have adopted the objections from some other website source or a book. The second hand study is never appropriate and correct for research or search.

Whenever I wanted to know something about other religions I always studied the scripture of that religion by myself and only then commented on that religion.

If that is the case; there is no harm to study it now or to study it again.

The Holy Quran: Chapter 5: Al-Ma’idah is not very long. Please start studying it from the very first verse to finish at its end; then again read and while reading whatever the question arises naturally to you kindly write it down on a paper. If the question gets clear in the subsequent verses please cancel the question; and this way please finish the chapter; till the whole contents of the chapter are very clear to you.

This may take two or three days or even less; but it is worthwhile trying it.

We could discuss the verses under discussion afterwards.

No hurry, please.

It is just a friendly discussion.

Other friends are also welcome to adopt the same measure.

Thanks and regards

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Paarsurrey said:

@JOHN ZANDE : March 27, 2014 at 11:52 am
“We’ve already proven that Mo didn’t know … he was talking about.” Unquote

Muhammad talked of the Message he had received from the One-True-God.

Have you read that Message from beginning to the end yourselves? If you haven’t read it; then your information is based on hearsay.

Am I right?

Please do reply if you like to; no compulsion however.

Everybody is suggested to read the Recitation from the beginning to the end; it is not a voluminous recitation.

Or one should select a chapter and read it at least from the beginning to the end. Please have a note-book with you while intently reading it. One should write down the valid question arising in one’s mind very naturally; this is not prohibited. If the context make the questions clear or one realizes that one’s question is not valid; one could delete it and proceed further.

This way one would be appropriately prepared for a meaningful discussion.

This is my sincere advice.

Regards

There is no violent verse in Quran Surah Al-Ma’idah 5:36-38

March 17, 2014

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PAARSURREY says:
March 17, 2014 at 8:24 pm
@BOBBIERILEYJR : March 16, 2014 at 10:06 pm

Please take it as a friendly discussion.

BOBBIERILEYJR: Which translation are you using? It doesn’t match mine entirely.

Paarsurrey: I gave the link at the end of my post.
The numbering of the verses started later; some treat the first verse in the beginning of every chapter “[1:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.” as the integral part of the chapter and take it as number one of the chapter; other give the verse but don’t number it. So, practically no verse is missing.

BOBBIERILEYJR: And why would you leave out Sura 5:38

Paarsurrey: Only a copy/paste mistake; thank for pointing it; I did not notice it. I give it below:

[5:38] They will wish to come out of the Fire, but they will not be able to come out of it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.
There is no edit button for correction.
I have made the necessary correction on my blog where I quoted the verses; you may check it there, please.

BOBBIERILEYJR: Explain this…Sura 5:33-34

“Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, Except for those who return [repenting] before you apprehend them. And know that Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.”
5:33
إِنَّمَا جَزَاءُ الَّذِينَ يُحَارِبُونَ اللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَادًا أَنْ يُقَتَّلُوا أَوْ يُصَلَّبُوا أَوْ تُقَطَّعَ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَأَرْجُلُهُمْ مِنْ خِلَافٍ أَوْ يُنْفَوْا مِنَ الْأَرْضِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ لَهُمْ خِزْيٌ فِي الدُّنْيَا ۖ وَلَهُمْ فِي الْآخِرَةِ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
TRANSLITERATION:
ʾinnamā jazāʾu lladhīna yuḥāribūna llāha wa-rasūlahū wa-yasʿawna fī l-ʾarḍi fasādan ʾan yuqattalū ʾaw yuṣallabū ʾaw tuqaṭṭaʿa ʾaydīhim wa-ʾarjuluhum min khilāfin ʾaw yunfaw mina l-ʾarḍi dhālika lahum khizyun fī d-dunyā wa-lahum fī l-ʾākhirati ʿadhābun ʿaẓīmun
5:34
إِلَّا الَّذِينَ تَابُوا مِنْ قَبْلِ أَنْ تَقْدِرُوا عَلَيْهِمْ ۖ فَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّهَ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ
ʾillā lladhīna tābū min qabli ʾan taqdirū ʿalayhim fa-ʿlamū ʾanna llāha ghafūrun raḥīmun
“[5:34] The reward of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive to create disorder in the land is only this that they be slain or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on alternate sides, or they be expelled from the land. That shall be a disgrace for them in this world, and in the Hereafter they shall have a great punishment;
[5:35] Except those who repent before you have them in your power. So know that Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.”

Paarsurrey: I have provided the two verses; their original text in Arabic and also in Roman Alphabetic.

If one goes to the link I provided one could go to the previous page and the next page and see as much context as one wants to.

The translation of the verses is in English and is very clear.

Now please go ahead with proving your viewpoint with the verses in the context as agreed.

Thanks and regards

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PAARSURREY says:
March 17, 2014 at 11:07 pm

@BOBBIERILEYJR:March 17, 2014 at 10:48 pm

“This is getting a tad tiresome.”

Paarsurrey :You selected Sura 5:36-38; first this place with the context verses as agreed will be discussed. if you are finished with it meaning agreeing with me that there is no violent verse in Sura 5:36-38 or the context verses; then we will go to some other sura like you have mentioned Sura 9-5.

“There is no violent verse in Quran if a verse is seen with the verses in the context”

March 16, 2014

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PAARSURREY says:
March 16, 2014 at 9:11 pm

@BOBBIERILEYJR: March 15, 2014 at 6:05 pm

Your words:
“114 chapters in the Quran, 86-90 are classified as Meccan” Unquote

Paarsurrey replies:

Quran does not classify the verses or the chapters to be Meccans or Medinian .

This has perhaps been done later on the basis of Hadith, which never existed in the time of Muhammad and was collected 250/300 years after Muhammad, or by guesswork; and therefore has no relevance with our present discussion.

A particular verse and the verses in the context quite clarify the situation at hand; hence no need of any such classification.

Quran is the first and the foremost source of guidance of Islam/Muhammad for the Muslims whatever the denomination.
I don’t debate with anybody to win; I only discuss.

Our present discussion will remain focused on the topic “There is no violent verse in Quran if a verse is seen with the verses in the context”.

That is where our discussion began. I will ignore all other things that our friend bobbierileyjr mentions, please.
The discussion is open for everybody of any religion or no-religion, no bar from me.

No list is to be discussed; one verse at a time with the verses in the context. We can discuss verse by verse, as many verses as our friends may want to.

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PAARSURREY says:
March 18, 2014 at 10:25 pm

@BOBBIERILEYJR says: ;March 16, 2014 at 10:06 pm
Quote “And why would you leave out Sura 5:38
“[As for] the thief, the male and the female, amputate their hands in recompense for what they committed as a deterrent [punishment] from Allah . And Allah is Exalted in Might and Wise.” Unquote

Paarsurrey replies:

This verse was not missed; it was given in my post of March 16, 2014 at 9:16 pm; it was numbered [5:39] , and read “And as for the man who steals and the woman who steals, cut off their hands in retribution of their offence as an exemplary punishment from Allah. And Allah is Mighty, Wise.”

THE MISSING VERSE WAS:

“[5:38] They will wish to come out of the Fire, but they will not be able to come out of it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.”

Later the mistake was rectified with these words:

“I have made the necessary correction on my blog where I quoted the verses; you may check it there, please.

There is no edit button here for correction.”

Sorry for the inconvenience.

This is just to straighten the record.

Violence is in the minds and hearts of the Atheists not in Quran

March 10, 2014

The viewers could see my comments on the following blog for their valuable comments:

“Dwindling In Unbelief”
“Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html
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paarsurrey said:

@Richard : Thu Mar 06, 03:31:00 PM 2014, Thu Mar 06, 04:11:00 PM 2014,

You said:
“What I posted as 4:89 may have been some sort of cut and paste error” Unquote.

You know that there was no copy/paste error; as there is no such item on the page you took the verses from. It seems to be a deliberate attempt to change the text of the verse of Quran.

Other stuff you gave in your posts, referenced above, as a cover up of your wrong doing are off-topic and not worthy of any attention. The topic is specific about Quran (“Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”) so please only quote Quran or get the topic amended.

If you have nothing substantial to write in connection with the verse in discussion Quran; you may select another verse from the 527 violent verses you mentioned in the original post.

If you cannot prove a single violent verse in Quran and have to resort to changing the text to prove your viewpoint then it is obvious the violence is in the minds and hearts of the Atheists not in Quran.

Better quote another verse from another place of Quran for discussion and try your luck in vain.
Mon Mar 10, 01:08:00 PM 2014

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paarsurrey said:

@Richard said: Mon Mar 10, 01:55:00 PM 2014, Mon Mar 10, 02:00:00 PM 2014

You wrote:
“(Where did you get 527 from?)”

Please see the OP (The Original Post of this blog) titled:

Quote: “Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”

(Repost with updated numbers and graphs on 2 April 2011)

The LORD is a man of war. Exodus 15:3

Fight in the way of Allah. Quran 2:244

Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran? Is there a way to objectively answer such a question?

Well, it wouldn’t be easy. But it is possible to compare the amount of cruelty and violence in the two books.

Here is a summary of the highlighted verses in the SAB and SAQ.

Number of Cruel or Violent Passages

Bible 1214

Quran 527 ” Unquote

Please access the following link to see it.

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

The rest of the contents of your posts, referred by me in the beginning, are off-topic and or not on the topic; so I won’t discuss them.

If you are defending the OP; then quote another of the alleged 527 verses that show violence in Quran.

I will discuss the topic verse by verse not in general.

Mon Mar 10, 02:48:00 PM 2014

Muhammad commanded by God; have forbearance for disbelievers and the hypocrites

March 8, 2014

Please view paarsurrey comments on blog “triangulation” for your valuable opinion:

“Do you like this Muslim?”

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/do-you-like-this-muslim/

http://triangulations.wordpress.com/2014/03/07/do-you-like-this-muslim/#comment-125420

Paarsurrey

“But with only a little searching, the not so pretty side of his Islam is easy to find. Apparently Green admitted that back in the 90s he said that Muslims and Westerners cannot live peaceably together and that dying while fighting jihad is one of the surest ways to Paradise and Allah’s good pleasure.”

There Abdur Raheem Green is wrong; there is no general commandment, repeat, not a single one, in Quran to fight with the innocent non-believers or any other innocent* non-Muslim (Jews, Christians, and Atheists etc all included):
[33:49] And follow not the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and leave alone their annoyance, and put thy trust in Allah; for Allah is sufficient as a Guardian.
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?submitCh=Read+from+verse%3A&ch=33&verse=48
Muhammad was commanded by One-True-God to have forbearance for disbelievers and the hypocrites, and leave alone their annoyance.

*Non-warring

Atheist changes verse of Quran to prove violence in Quran: Quran peaceful

March 6, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Dwindling In Unbelief”

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

“Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”

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paarsurrey said…

@Richard: Sun Mar 02, 06:52:00 PM 2014, Wed Mar 05, 02:50:00 PM 2014

It is very regrettable that you misquoted the verses from Quran.com.

There is no verse at that site given by you as verse number “4:89 Notice that Allah has caused the unbelievers to perish.”

I quote from that site:

4:87 Allah – there is no deity except Him. He will surely assemble you for [account on] the Day of Resurrection, about which there is no doubt. And who is more truthful than Allah in statement.
4:88 What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray – never will you find for him a way [of guidance].
4:89 They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah . But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.

http://quran.com/4

Please explain where from you got the words “Notice that Allah has caused the unbelievers to perish” and presented it as “4:89”by interchanging in your post of “Sun Mar 02, 06:52:00 PM 2014”.

It changed the meaning and the whole context of the verses; very grossly indeed.

The verses pertain to the “hypocrites” specifically and do pertain to the innocent non-believers; the “hypocrites” mentioned in the verse were under a treaty with Muslims; yet they betrayed and sided with the Meccans who were at war with the Muslims; hence they fell under the charge of treason and were to be treated likewise as per the norms of the international society.

Muslims were warned not to take them in their ranks; they were not trustworthy.

Thu Mar 06, 02:03:00 PM 2014

No violence in Quran; the violence is in the minds of the Atheists

March 5, 2014

I wrote comments on the blog “Dwindling In Unbelief” on the topic “Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”; that could be viewed by clicking the following links:

“Dwindling In Unbelief”

“Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”

http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

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paarsurrey said…
@ Richard : Sun Mar 02, 06:52:00 PM 2014.

I don’t get you.

You have mentioned “By your selected translation of Quran 4:89-97”; then you don’t give the same.

Please see below the first two verses given by me, and given by you.

Verses quoted by me (in my post of Sun Mar 02, 04:12:00 PM 2014):

[4:89] What has happened to you that you are divided into two parties regarding the hypocrites? And Allah has overthrown them because of what they earned. Desire ye to guide him whom Allah has caused to perish? And for him whom Allah causes to perish thou shalt not find a way.
[4:90] They wish that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you may become all alike. Take not, therefore, friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah. And if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and take no friend nor helper from among them;

Verses given by you (in your post of Sun Mar 02, 06:52:00 PM 2014):

4:89 Notice that Allah has caused the unbelievers to perish.
4:90 One must not befriend unbelievers, unless they become Muslim. If they do not SEIZE THEM AND KILL THEM WHEREVER YOU FIND THEM.

I give the text of the correspoinding verses quoted by me in the roman alphabet also for your convenience:

[4:89] fa-mā lakum fī l-munāfiqīna fiʾatayni wa-llāhu ʾarkasahum bi-mā kasabū ʾa-turīdūna ʾan tahdū man ʾaḍalla llāhu wa-man yuḍlili llāhu fa-lan tajida lahū sabīlan

[4:90] ʾillā lladhīna yaṣilūna ʾilā qawmin baynakum wa-baynahum mīthāqun ʾaw jāʾūkum ḥaṣirat ṣudūruhum ʾan yuqātilūkum ʾaw yuqātilū qawmahum wa-law shāʾa llāhu la-sallaṭahum ʿalaykum fa-la-qātalūkum fa-ʾini ʿtazalūkum fa-lam yuqātilūkum wa-ʾalqaw ʾilaykumu s-salama fa-mā jaʿala llāhu lakum ʿalayhim sabīlan

Please check up and rectify.
Wed Mar 05, 08:53:00 AM 2014

No violence in Quran Verse 4:95 from the verses in the context

March 3, 2014

There is oo violence in Quran Verse 4:95 (The Holy Quran : Chapter 4: Al-Nisa’) from the verses in the context. The Atheists see verses without the context of Quran.

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:
“Dwindling In Unbelief”

“Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”

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paarsurrey said…

@Richard : Thu Feb 20, 07:24:00 PM 2014
“YOU THEN CHOSE NOT TO ADDRESS Q4:95, WHICH IS SIMILARLY PLAIN: “GET OUT OF THE HOUSE AND KILL INFIDELS” Unquote

I HAVE NO HESITATION IN DISCUSSING VERSE 4:95; BUT IN THE DISCUSSION YOu SHALL HAVE TO RESTRICT YOURSELF WITH THE VERSE AND THE VERSES IN ITS CONTEXT. I QUOTE THE SAME BELOW:

[4:89] What has happened to you that you are divided into two parties regarding the hypocrites? And Allah has overthrown them because of what they earned. Desire ye to guide him whom Allah has caused to perish? And for him whom Allah causes to perish thou shalt not find a way.
[4:90] They wish that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you may become all alike. Take not, therefore, friends from among them, until they emigrate in the way of Allah. And if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them; and take no friend nor helper from among them;
[4:91] Except those who are connected with a people between whom and you there is a pact, or those who come to you, while their hearts shrink from fighting you or fighting their own people. And if Allah had so pleased, He would have given them power over you, then they would have surely fought you. So, if they keep aloof from you and fight you not, and make you an offer of peace, then remember that Allah has allowed you no way of aggression against them.
[4:92] You will find others who desire to be secure from you and to be secure from their own people. Whenever they are made to revert to hostility, they fall headlong into it. Therefore, if they do not keep aloof from you nor offer you peace nor restrain their hands, then seize them and kill them, wherever you find them. Against these We have given you clear authority.
[4:93] It does not become a believer to kill a believer unless it be by mistake. And he who kills a believer by mistake shall free a believing slave, and pay blood money to be handed over to his heirs, unless they remit it as charity. But if the person slain be of a people hostile to you, and be a believer, then the offender shall free a believing slave; and if he be of a people between whom and you is a pact, then the offender shall pay blood money to be handed over to his heirs, and free a believing slave. But whoso finds not one, then he shall fast for two consecutive months — a mercy from Allah. And Allah is All-Knowing, Wise.
[4:94] And whoso kills a believer intentionally, his reward shall be Hell wherein he shall abide. And Allah will be wroth with him and will curse him and will prepare for him a great punishment.
[4:95] O ye who believe! when you go forth in the cause of Allah, make proper investigation and say not to anyone who greets you with the greeting of peace, ‘Thou art not a believer.’ You seek the goods of this life, but with Allah are good things in plenty. Such were you before this, but Allah conferred His special favour on you; so do make proper investigation. Surely, Allah is well aware of what you do.
[4:96] Those of the believers who sit still, excepting the disabled ones, and those who strive in the cause of Allah with their wealth and their persons, are not equal. Allah has exalted in rank those who strive with their wealth and their persons above those who sit still. And to each Allah has promised good. And Allah has exalted those who strive above those who sitstill, by a great reward,
[4:97] Namely, by degrees of excellence bestowed by Him, and by special forgiveness and mercy. And Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful.

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showchapter.php?ch=4&verse=97

NOW WHAT IS IN THE VERSE/S AGAINST THE NORMS OF THE INTERNATIONAL SOCIETY?

PLEASE
Sun Mar 02, 04:12:00 PM 2014

It is up to the atheists; they all may join in to prove violence in Quran, verse by verse, from the context

March 2, 2014

Please view Paarsurrey’s comments on the following blog for your valuable opinion:

“Dwindling In Unbelief”
“Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/
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paarsurrey said…

@Richard said:Sun Mar 02, 11:01:00 AM 2014

“You should also note the effort by paarsurrey to say the Quran was taken out of context.”Unquote

I still maintain that; since we are not in a formal debate; when you started being off-topic and shifted to Hadith and hearsay; I withdrew from the discussion temporarily.

If you can keep yourself restrained to Quran and its context; you will see me back in the discussion again.

Now it is up to the atheists; they all may join in.
Sun Mar 02, 12:03:00 PM 2014

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Atheists! common sense approach to understand Quran verse/s

February 20, 2014

I wrote following comments: blog name “Dwindling In Unbelief”: topic “”Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?”: link:
http://dwindlinginunbelief.blogspot.ca/2006/06/which-is-more-violent-bible-or-quran.html

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paarsurrey said
@Richard : Sun Feb 09, 04:19:00 PM 2014

“So I check parts of the Quran and sometimes consider comments by Imams in countries that are 90+ % Islam. Yes… I consider translations of imams speaking to Arabic Al Jazeera. Beat your wife soon, she might need it!” Unquote.

This shows that your approach is wrong. These sources which you quote have no status in Islam. Quran itself is self-explanatory. Quran does not delegate any authority to these people.

The correct approach for one, if one wanted to do some research and intended to read its chapter two; then to start with one should have studied the entire chapter two on one’s own. One should have prepared notes while reading, if a question would have naturally arisen from a verse and its context verses; one should have written that question in the note book. If the subsequent verses in the chapter would have cleared the question, one should have noted this also. After the end if there would have been a question which would have not resolved, then one should have again read the chapter and perused it intensively to form an opinion. Afterwards one could discuss such question for clarification. Else it just amounts to hearsay.

One of my atheist friends suggested me reading a book by Christopher Hitchens; I first read the book twice and then started discussing the issues.

If you did not adopt a right approach previously; you can try it now; no harm.

Please have confidence instead of relying on false opinions.

Thanks
Tue Feb 11, 12:41:00 PM 2014

paarsurrey said…
@Richard : Tue Feb 11, 06:28:00 PM 2014

“There is no specific way of checking which is true”

Please don’t be angry and confused.

I think it is not difficult to understand the verses by using a common sense approach which is generally helpful for understanding any book in the world.

A single verse without the text and the context could be sometimes misleading.

One cannot correctly understand the meaning of a word unless one knows the whole sentence in which it has been used; the value of a sentence could be best understood in a passage, and of a passage is best understood in a chapter. The reference with the context is therefore most essential for a useful discussion.

This helps to understand the verses; hence Quran is self-explanatory.

Please try it for correct understanding; no harm.

Will you please?

Thanks

Wed Feb 12, 01:58:00 PM 2014

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paarsurrey said…
@Richard : Sun Feb 09, 04:19:00 PM 2014, Tue Feb 11, 06:28:00 PM 2014

The topic of the post is “Which is more violent, the Bible or the Quran?” so for all fairness we should confine to the discussion on Quran from the Quranic adjacent verses; or the immediate context.

If you don’t accept this then please change the topic of the post accordingly; it only mentions of Bible and Quran and nothing else, in my opinion.

Please

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Thu Feb 20, 12:38:00 PM 201