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How to recognize a prophet/messenger of God?- the signs

November 2, 2017

Thread: ” When science does not work “What are some examples?
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Christianity and Apologetics

Post 57: 
paarsurrey1 wrote:
Religion takes them and Word of Revelation is the source.Right, please?

R—–1 wrote:
And how do you determine [u]which person’s revelation is correct[/u] when they contradict each other? What method do you use to verify one religion over all the others?

paarsurrey1 wrote:

There are many signs to recognize, them:

~They are righteous people and before their being appointed to the office of a prophet or messenger they are known to be a righteous, peaceful and truthful persons, like Muhammad was known to be ameen, siddeeq and a truthful/sincere person:

[10:16] And when Our clear Signs are recited unto them, those who look not for the meeting with Us say, ‘Bring a Qur’an other than this or change it.’ Say, ‘It is not for me to change it of my own accord. I only follow what is revealed to me. Indeed, I fear, if I disobey my Lord, the punishment of an awful day.’
[10:17] Say, ‘If Allah had so willed, I should not have recited it to you nor would He have made it known to you. I have indeed lived among you a whole lifetime before this. Will you not then understand?’
[10:18] Who is then more unjust than he who forges a lie against Allah or he who treats His Signs as lies? Surely, the guilty shall never prosper.

Their earlier life testifies to it, please.

Islamic Belief in the Prophets who were not Jewish

October 10, 2017

(viii) The Prophets of Other Religions

So far we have talked only about the prophets of the Bible and the Quran. What about the prophets of other religions and nations? According to the Quran, God has sent His messengers to every nation:

“There is not a people but a Warner has gone among them” (35:25)
“For every nation there is a Messenger” (10:48)

The Muslims, therefore, believe that earlier religions were also founded by God’s messengers. Their teachings, however, were corrupted by their followers over the course of time. Below are given the names of some of the founders of other religions who could be equated to the prophets of the Quran and the Bible.

Luqman: mentioned in the Quran by name but his territory is unknown. According to some scholars he was the
Greek “Aesop” while according to others he was a Prophet in Abyssinia. Luqman does not correspond to any Biblical prophet.

Zoroaster:  The founder of Zoroastrianism, an ancient religion of Iran. Zoroaster’s period is roughly placed at around 1500 B.C.

Krishna, Ram Chandar: Krishna is known among the Hindus as an “Avatar” Ram Chandar or a manifestation of God. It appears that both Krishna and Ram Chandar were the Hindu equivalent of the Quranic nabis. They, however, were not the founders of the Hindu religion.

Mahavira: Founder of Jainism, Mahavira lived in India in the sixth century B.C. He tried to abolish the caste system that existed in Hinduism.

Buddha: Siddhartha Gautama Buddha was the founder of the Buddhist faith. He lived in India in the sixth Century B.C. The word ‘Buddha’ means the Enlightened One.

Confucius: Founder of Confucianism, a Chinese religion. Confucius lived in China in the fifth century B.C. His teachings placed great emphasis on social ethics.

Lao Tze: The founder of the Tao religion of China who lived in the sixth century B.C.

I appreciate the above article written by Jamaat Ahmadiyya, a very scholarly article indeed.



Jesus created nothing; he was no god

January 28, 2010

paarsurrey Says:
January 28, 2010 at 2:43 pm

Hi friend sch

Now see my friend; how many prophecies of Jesus you have mentioned in your post (which I have described as ocean of words); I have counted them to be 25 in number, if not more. So that makes Jesus a good Prophet Messenger of Creator-God Allah YHWH and that is all.

It proves that Jesus was not a god. Had Jesus been a god; then you would have mentioned things created by Jesus? Jesus did not create anything; everything was as before him.

If you want to prove Jesus to be a creator-god; mention things he created; Jesus did not create anything. Please mention as many things created by Jesus at least 25 of them like Sun, Moon and Earth; not even one of these.

The sign- the biggest one of Jesus, was that of Jonah- the Prophet; not of any god or of the Creator.
I think, now you understand and agree with me.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


There is not a single word of hatred in Quran about ‎Jesus and Mary

July 13, 2009‎largest-religion/‎

‎31. paarsurrey Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 11:29 pm

Hi friend Marie (refer # 30 above)

It is good to know that you are a deist; a believer in God.‎
I only worship God Allah YHWH. I don’t believe that Jesus was god; he was one of the ‎‎perfect men who walked on earth. Mary was also a woman; mother of Jesus who gave ‎‎birth to Jesus very naturally. Jesus did not die on Cross; he survived with the grace of ‎‎God Allah YHWH who always helps His Messengers Prophets , like He saved Jonah as ‎‎Jesus himself mentioned.

After getting saved his life Jesus migrated to India; there he lived upto the age of 120/125 ‎‎years and died there a natural and peaceful death.‎
I don’t understand as to why you should oppose Islam/Quran/Muhammad which mentions ‎‎of Jesus and Mary with love and affection; there is not a single word of hatred about ‎‎Jesus and Mary.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Paul and Joseph Smith claimed they were Messengers/Prophets/Epistles/Apostels of Jesus; so strictly speaking they never legitimately claimed to be Messengers/Prophets/Epistles/Apostels of God Allah YHWH

June 4, 2009

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend markparker1

I would humbly submit the following points again:

1. The Messengers Prophets are always appointed by God Allah YHWH; a sole discretion of Him; Jesus though one of the truthful Messengers Prophets of God like unto Jonah, yet he or anybody else could not and cannot appoint anyone as a Messenger Prophet of God Allah YHWH on behalf of God Allah YHWH. This appointement simply does not fall under the discretion of Jesus. I understand that the cunning Paul and Joseph Smith claimed they were Messengers/Prophets/Epistles/Apostels of Jesus; so strictly speaking they never legitimately claimed to be Messengers/Prophets/Epistles/Apostels of God Allah YHWH in the first place.

2. Jesus did not die a cursed death on Cross; he survived against all odds. Jesus migrated to India, after getting cured from the injuries inflicted on the Cross; he is said to have died at the age of 120/125 years, a very natural and respectful death there. Paul claimed in the absence of Jesus when he was in India; so Paul’s claim was not truthful and hence he suffered the destiny as described in Deuteronomy very clearly.

3. Jesus was appointed by God Allah YHWH as Messenger Prophet, hence, he survived a cursed death on Cross; that proves that he was a truthful Messenger Prophets of God Allah YHWH. Joseph Smith was ignorant of all these things; so I think he did not legitimately claimed to be a Messenger Prophet of God Allah YHWH; further he suffered the same fate; he was killed as clearly defined in Deuteronomy. He was ignorant about what happened to Jesus and Paul. Sorry; I cannot accept him as a legitimate claimant.

4. I do not intend to start any bashing of Paul or Joseph Smith; they did whatever they liked to do and I don’t hate them; yet I have to believe things in a straighforward manner; so this is what I bleive very sincerely; a statement of faith of me. Please don’t mind.

You are a nice friend.

I love Jesus and Mary as beautifully and truthfully described in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim


The above is my response to comments of Markparker1 , which could be accessed and read at:

All Messenger Prophets are innocent; this is the merit on which they are selected for this august office

April 28, 2009

fgenej11 Says:

Was Muhammad a sinful man?

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend fgenej11

Like Jesus, Moses, Abraham, David etc, all Messengers Prophets of God Allah YHWH are innocent; that is the merit on which they are selected for this high office of being Messenger.

God Allah YHWH cannot make mistakes in His selections, that is enough logically to vouch for the innocence of those who are selected by Him.

The Jewish and Christian clergy do ascribe sins to Messenger Prophets, which is a sinful mistake of the Jewish and Christian clergy and is an effort to make room for their own wrongs, without any reason or anything logical based in their scriptures.

I love Jesus, Moses, Abraham, David as mentioned in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Jesus – the Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely

March 14, 2009;article=225172;show_parent=1;article=225191


Rome or India…he (Jesus) was just a man! (nm)
Fri Mar 13, 2009 06:33

paarsurrey whitemunara says:

Hi friend kasey!

I agree with you that Jesus was a human being and not a god whether he lived in Judea or he later, after the incident of crucifixion in which he survived a cursed death, he went to self-exile to live in India.

Quran mentions this much clarity. I give some verses of Quran about him for my friends here:

[5:70] اِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ اٰمَنُوْا وَالَّذِيْنَ هَادُوْا وَالصّٰبِـُٔوْنَ وَالنَّصٰرٰى مَنْ اٰمَنَ بِاللّٰهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْاٰخِرِ وَعَمِلَ صَالِحًـا فَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُوْنَ
[5:70] Surely, those who have believed, and the Jews, and the Sabians, and the Christians — whoso believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds, on them shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve.

[5:71] لَقَدْ اَخَذْنَا مِيْثَاقَ بَنِىْۤ اِسْرَآءِيْلَ وَاَرْسَلْنَاۤ اِلَيْهِمْ رُسُلاً‌ؕ كُلَّمَا جَآءَهُمْ رَسُوْلٌۢ بِمَا لَا تَهْوٰٓى اَنْفُسُهُمْۙ فَرِيْقًا كَذَّبُوْا وَفَرِيْقًا يَّقْتُلُوْنَ‏
[5:71] Surely, We took a covenant from the children of Israel, and We sent Messengers to them. But every time there came to them a Messenger with what their hearts desired not, they treated some as liars, and some they sought to kill.

[5:72] وَحَسِبُوْۤا اَلَّا تَكُوْنَ فِتْنَةٌ فَعَمُوْا وَصَمُّوْا ثُمَّ تَابَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِمْ ثُمَّ عَمُوْا وَصَمُّوْا كَثِيْرٌ مِّنْهُمْ‌ؕ وَاللّٰهُ بَصِيْرٌۢ بِمَا يَعْمَلُوْنَ‏
[5:72] And they thought there would be no punishment, so they became blind and deaf. But Allah turned to them in mercy; yet again many of them became blind and deaf; and Allah is Watchful of what they do.

[5:73] لَقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِيْنَ قَالُوْۤا اِنَّ اللّٰهَ هُوَ الْمَسِيْحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ‌ؕ وَقَالَ الْمَسِيْحُ يٰبَنِىْۤ اِسْرآءِيْلَ اعْبُدُوْا اللّٰهَ رَبِّىْ وَرَبَّكُمْ‌ؕ اِنَّهٗ مَنْ يُّشْرِكْ بِاللّٰهِ فَقَدْ حَرَّمَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيْهِ الْجَـنَّةَ وَمَاْوٰٮهُ النَّارُ‌ؕ وَمَا لِلظّٰلِمِيْنَ مِنْ اَنْصَارٍ‏
[5:73] Indeed they are disbelievers who say, ‘Surely, Allah is none but the Messiah, son of Mary,’ whereas the Messiah himself said, ‘O children of Israel, worship Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord.’ Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort. And the wrongdoers shall have no helpers.

[5:74] لَـقَدْ كَفَرَ الَّذِيْنَ قَالُوْۤا اِنَّ اللّٰهَ ثَالِثُ ثَلٰثَةٍ‌ۘ وَمَا مِنْ اِلٰهٍ اِلَّاۤ اِلٰـهٌ وَّاحِدٌ‌ ؕ وَاِنْ لَّمْ يَنْتَهُوْا عَمَّا يَقُوْلُوْنَ لَيَمَسَّنَّ الَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا مِنْهُمْ عَذَابٌ اَلِيْمٌ‏
[5:74] They are surely disbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the third of three;’ there is no God but the One God. And if they do not desist from what they say, a grievous punishment shall surely befall those of them that disbelieve.

[5:75] اَفَلَا يَتُوْبُوْنَ اِلَى اللّٰهِ وَيَسْتَغْفِرُوْنَهٗ‌ؕ وَاللّٰهُ غَفُوْرٌ رَّحِيْمٌ‏
[5:75] Will they not then turn to Allah and beg His forgiveness, while Allah is Most Forgiving, Merciful?

[5:76] مَا الْمَسِيْحُ ابْنُ مَرْيَمَ اِلَّا رَسُوْلٌ‌ۚ قَدْ خَلَتْ مِنْ قَبْلِهِ الرُّسُلُؕ وَاُمُّهٗ صِدِّيْقَةٌ‌ ؕ كَانَا يَاْكُلٰنِ الطَّعَامَ‌ؕ اُنْظُرْ كَيْفَ نُبَيِّنُ لَهُمُ الْاٰيٰتِ ثُمَّ انْظُرْ اَنّٰى يُؤْفَكُوْنَ‏
[5:76] The Messiah, son of Mary, was only a Messenger; surely, Messengers like unto him had indeed passed away before him. And his mother was a truthful woman. They both used to eat food. See how We explain the Signs for their good, and see how they are turned away.

[5:77] قُلْ اَتَعْبُدُوْنَ مِنْ دُوْنِ اللّٰهِ مَا لَا يَمْلِكُ لَـكُمْ ضَرًّا وَّلَا نَفْعًا‌ؕ وَاللّٰهُ هُوَ السَّمِيْعُ الْعَلِيْمُ‏
[5:77] Say, ‘Will you worship beside Allah that which has no power to do you harm or good?’ And it is Allah Who is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.

[5:78] قُلْ يٰۤاَهْلَ الْـكِتٰبِ لَا تَغْلُوْا فِىْ دِيْنِكُمْ غَيْرَ الْحَـقِّ وَلَا تَتَّبِعُوْۤا اَهْوَآءَ قَوْمٍ قَدْ ضَلُّوْا مِنْ قَبْلُ وَاَضَلُّوْا كَثِيْرًا وَّضَلُّوْا عَنْ سَوَآءِ السَّبِيْلِ‏
[5:78] Say, ‘O People of the Book! exceed not the limits in the matter of your religion unjustly, nor follow the evil inclinations of a people who went astray before and caused many to go astray, and who have strayed away from the right path.’

[5:79] لُعِنَ الَّذِيْنَ كَفَرُوْا مِنْۢ بَنِىْۤ اِسْرَآءِيْلَ عَلٰى لِسَانِ دَاوٗدَ وَعِيْسَى ابْنِ مَرْيَمَ‌ؕ ذٰلِكَ بِمَا عَصَوا وَّكَانُوْا يَعْتَدُوْنَ‏
[5:79] Those amongst the children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of David, and of Jesus, son of Mary. That was because they disobeyed and used to transgress.
So Quran does not eulogize Jesus. It is Paul who carved a mythical god from an imaginative Jesus, not the real and historic Jesus. Jesus carved by Paul from myths is not acceptable to the intelligent and rational America and Americans and the people in the West. Let America know the real and rational Jesus of Quran. What the American ladies n gents have to do with the ascetic Jesus who can’t solve their moral and spiritual problems?

I love Jesus so I would defend him against weird concepts of Paul.


paarsurrey – an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Please remove confusions about God, devil and spirit

June 7, 2008


The monotheists believe that One God has many attributes and these attributes need not to be personified or physically made, since God is not a physical being, rather everything physical has been created by Him and he is distinctively aloof of all the creations. God is manifest by His attributes. I would say, please do not mind, out of confusion the polytheists might have personified the attributes of God and often made physical gods and named the same accordingly.

“Shytan” is not a being in itself;it has been created by God.Satan is only a product of human minds and of instinctive human tendencies toward error. God alone is Creator, and all are creatures of His might.”

“Gabriel” is also not a being in him, and works as God orders him, so there is no need to treat him god.

The fact is that all true prophets of great religions of the world on whom God revealed Himself and talked to them, one to one, they have given the message to the mankind that God is one.

To me, it is not a philosophical question; it is the observation and experience of the prophets who talked with God in different ages and different regions of the world that God is one.


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