Paul’s-Christianity and Bahaullah’ religion are both mythical and made-up

https://www.religiousforums.com/threads/was-jesus-crucified-or-not.217361/page-11#post-6085963

adrixxxx said: ↑

The argument provided is the one some Christian apologetics use. It’s essentially saying the gospel accounts are all literally true or all false. It’s an argument that discards the subtleties and nuances of both the New Testament and the Baha’i writings. Many Christians have abandoned literalism a long time ago as it simply doesn’t work.

#206 paarsurrey, 

It is not a correct approach. It is neither literal nor allegorical. Why not admit openly that Paul’s-Christianity and Bahaullah’ religion are both, supporting one another, mythical because except a sentence* spoken on the Cross by Jesus nothing else is spoken or dictated by Jesus? Right, please?

Regards
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“Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani?”

Aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses people truthful witnesses?

Jesus did not die on the Cross, he survived, so as per Paul’s own argument Pauline-Christianity’s “faith is futile”. Right, please?
Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments.

Thread: “Aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses people truthful witnesses? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

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Paarsurrey wrote: Aren’t Jehovah’s Witnesses people truthful witnesses, please? 1 Corinthians 12But if it is preached that Christ has been raised from the dead, how can some of you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? 13If there is no resurrection of the dead, then not even Christ has been raised. 14And if Christ has not been raised, our preaching is useless and so is your faith. 15More than that, we are then found to be false witnesses about God, for we have testified about God* that he raised Christ from the dead. But he did not raise him if in fact the dead are not raised. 16For if the dead are not raised, then Christ has not been raised either. 17And if Christ has not been raised, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins. 18Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ are lost. 19If only for this life we have hope in Christ, we are of all people most to be pitied. http://biblehub.com/niv/1_corinthians/15.htm Jesus did not die on the Cross, he survived, so as per Paul’s own argument Pauline-Christianity’s “faith is futile”. Right, please? Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments. ________ *Jehovah This entails that the Jehovah-Witnesses’ people who believe in Paul and the Pauline-Christianity, are false witnesses as long as, and if they have no concrete evidence/s of Jesus, not dying on the Cross.Right, please? Please correct me if I am wrong with reasonable arguments. Regards

Paul is the middleman of Pauline-Christianity

Jesus was a prophet/messenger of One-True-God appointed by Him, so Jesus is not the middleman. Jesus just conveyed the Message given by One-True-God to him.Had Jesus not conveyed the message exactly he must have been punished by One-True-God.

Thread: “No-MiddleMan Movement “Discussion around the traces of middlemen in each religion
Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

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s—-r.d———-h wrote: We believe that the world has an intelligent creator; one need not to abandon reason to live as a believer; life is a continuous, reasonable search for truth, which should lead to doing beautiful deeds; but no exclusive doctrine can claim the “right” path towards this. These are the middlemen who always come up with something very specific in their doctrine and introduce it as the “secret sauce” for salvation, to color their followers differently and to establish a “us vs. them” mindset. D———–t wrote: How is the above not already a very specialized religious position? Christianity necessarily has a “middleman” in Christ. In Christianity Christ is the one who claim to be the only “right path”. John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Paarsurrey says: Jesus was a prophet/messenger of One-True-God appointed by Him, so Jesus is not the middleman. Jesus just conveyed the Message given by One-True-God to him.Had Jesus not conveyed the message exactly he must have been punished by One-True-God: [69:45] And if he had forged and attributed any sayings to Us, [69:46] We would surely have seized him by the right hand, [69:47] And then surely We would have severed his life-artery, [69:48] And not one of you could have held Us off from him. https://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=69&verse=46 Right, please? Pauline-Christianity does not have the true teachings of Jesus or message of the One-True-God. It is the fiction created by Paul, so Paul is the middleman of Pauline-Christianity. Right, please? Regards

Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing

Colossians* is not written by Jesus.
It is written by Paul, he did not quote from Torah, and did not mention as to what was his source of knowledge. Jesus did not claim to be a firstborn. Did he, please?
I understand from Jesus as mentioned in Gospels that Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing** and the false prophet** against whom Jesus warned his followers. 

Thread: “Questions: The first born of all creation? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

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paarsurrey1 wrote: Wasn’t Adam the first born, please?Regards E–wrote: No Christ was: Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: (including Adam) (Col:1-15) paarsurrey1 wrote: If Adam was not firstborn, then how did he come into existence,please? Did Adam evolve through million years of Evolution,please? E–wrote: Christ created him: For by him were all things created, (including Adam) that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: (Col 1:16) But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. (1Co 11:3) Peace. paarsurrey1 wrote: Colossians* is not written by Jesus. It is written by Paul, he did not quote from Torah, and did not mention as to what was his source of knowledge. Jesus did not claim to be a firstborn. Did he, please? I understand from Jesus as mentioned in Gospels that Paul was the wolf in sheep’ clothing** and the false prophet** against whom Jesus warned his followers. Right, please? Regards _________ *Epistle to the Colossians-Authorship “The letter’s authors claim to be Paul and Timothy, but authorship began to be authoritatively questioned during the 19th century.[9] Pauline authorship was held to by many of the early church’s prominent theologians, such as Irenaeus, Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian, Origen of Alexandria and Eusebius.[10]” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_the_Colossians **Matthew 7:15 15 Beware of false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.

Does Paul deserve to be a “false prophet”?

Paul did not claim to be a prophet in so many words, but he claimed to have a conversation with Jesus whom he upgraded, fictionally, as God and it is one of the creeds of Pauline-Christianity.

Thread: “Did Paul base creeds on “mystery” or blind-faith? “Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Theology, Doctrine, and Dogma

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[Replying to post 68 by m—o]   m—o: Paul, who never claimed prophet status Paarsurrey wrote: Yes, Paul did not claim to be a prophet in so many words, but he claimed to have a conversation with Jesus whom he upgraded, fictionally, as God and it is one of the creeds of Pauline-Christianity : “The Conversion of Paul In the three versions of Paul’s conversion (Acts 9:1-9, 22:6-11, 26:9-20), there are repeated elements which appear to be central to his mission and commissioning. First, it marked his conversion to Christianity; second, it constituted his call to be a prophet; and third, it served as his commission to be an apostle. These three points may be broken down into the following, more intimate considerations: (1) Paul was specifically chosen, set aside, and prepared by the Lord for the work that he would do; (2) Paul was sent as a witness to not just the Jews, but the Gentiles as well; (3) Paul’s evangelistic mission would encounter rejection and require suffering; (4) Paul would bring light to people who were born into and currently lived in darkness; (5) Paul would preach repentance was required prior to a person’s acceptance into the Christian faith; (6) Paul’s witness would be grounded in space-time history and be based on his Damascus Road experience—what he had personally seen and heard in a real location that would be known to all who lived in Damascus.” https://www.gotquestions.org/apostle-Paul-false-prophet.html In this sense, Paul deserves to be a “false prophet”. Does one believe him as such, please? Regards

Did St. Paul Kill Christians?

Thread: ” Jesus was one of a long line of Hebrew prophets.” Forum: Debating Christianity and Religion Forum Index -> Christianity and Apologetics

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[Replying to post 31 by M–a] Quote: You are saying things which are not in New Testament. Paarsurrey wrote: The gist of the things are in Quran, supported from the clues in NT Bible. Paul lead the group that hunted, persecuted and killed Christians. St Stephen was their first victim. Acts 7:57-59 57 And casting him out the city, they stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man, whose name was Saul. 58 And they stoned Stephen, invoking and saying; Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. 59 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, saying; Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep in the Lord. OOOOOO And Saul was consenting to his death. OOOOOO Acts 8:1-3 1 Now Saul was consenting to his execution.On that day, there broke out a severe persecution of the church in Jerusalem, and all were scattered throughout the countryside of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles. 2 Devout men buried Stephen and made a loud lament over him. 3 Saul, meanwhile, was trying to destroy the church; entering house after house and dragging out men and women, he handed them over for imprisonment. OOOOOO It is a strong clue that Paul who never met Jesus who persecuted Christians was an enemy of Jesus and his followers. Right, please? Regards

Research:

Paul headed up the group that hunted, persecuted and killed Christians. St Stephen was their first victim.

Acts 7:57-59

57 And casting him out the city, they stoned him: and the witnesses laid down their garments at the feet of a young man, whose name was Saul.

58 And they stoned Stephen, invoking and saying; Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

59 And falling on his knees, he cried out with a loud voice, saying; Lord, lay not this sin to their charge. And when he had said this, he fell asleep in the Lord. And** Saul was consenting to his death.**

Acts 8:1-3

1 Now** Saul was consenting to his execution** .On that day, there broke out a severe persecution of the church in Jerusalem, and all were scattered throughout the countryside of Judea and Samaria, except the apostles.

2 Devout men buried Stephen and made a loud lament over him.

3 Saul, meanwhile, was trying to destroy the church; entering house after house and dragging out men and women, he handed them over for imprisonment.

https://forums.catholic.com/t/did-st-paul-kill-christians/265137/2

 

 

 

Paul’s vision is a made-up trick

Bible has its contradictions. If the twelve were chosen by Jesus; in fact I don’t differ with that; and they were well versed in his teachings and they were morally trained by Jesus par excellence; then Jesus should have appointed one of them as his successor after him in Judea. It is one reason among many that one doubts the vision that Paul described having seen of Jesus.

Paul’s vision is a made-up trick; one would come to the conclusion.

Modern Christianity is founded by Paul

Present “Christianity” is founded by Paul; Paul’s absurdities have nothing to do with Jesus and Mary. “Christianity’ of Paul and the “Church” was invented at Rome only with the sole purpose of character assassination of Jesus in his absence; when he took refuge in India, with Mary his mother, from the atrocities of Jews.

If one explores on the internet one will find a score of research scholars agreeing on this point.

I just give three excerpts from one such site:

The Apostle Paul Founder of Christianity

1. Jesus was not the founder of Christianity as we know it today. Most of the New Testament doesn’t even concern the historical Jesus while the main influence is the Apostle Paul and a Greek convert named John.
2. Moreover, Saul was acting in concert with the high priest (Acts 9:2), who was a Sadducee opponent of the Pharisees. It seems likely that Saul was at this period an employee of the Roman-appointed high priest, playing a police role in suppressing movements regarded as a threat to the Roman occupation. Since Jesus had been crucified on a charge of sedition, his followers were under the same cloud.
3. The high priest then entrusted Saul with an important mission, which was to travel to Damascus to arrest prominent members of the Jerusalem Church.

http://www.justgivemethetruth.com/founder_of_christianity.htm

Of course one could differ with me; there is no compulsion.

Unless Christians

Paarsurrey says:

It is a good post wherein purpose of life has been nicely explained and the hollowness of Atheism/naturalism has been exposed.

But for the sentence at the end “For me this is one of the reasons among many Christianity makes real sense”.

Jesus did not believe in the modern Christianity; it has nothing to do with Him.

Jesus did not believe in “Trinity”, or of his being “god” or “son of god”; or his death on the Cross; or his ascension to heaven bodily from Jerusalem after the event of Cross.

Unless the Christians follow the acts and beliefs of Jesus and Mary, they must doubt fulfilling the purpose of life; following Paul and scribes would lead them nowhere. One should not remain in illusions.

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This morning I ran into a Starbucks and saw an old friend. We had few minutes so we began to talk about life and sort of catch up investigating each other. Within our conversation I clearly could see that he was surprised that the crazy guy he knew twenty years ago would become a Pastor. I could see the cold expression and confusion on his face as he wondered why I guy like me would educate himself in theology and waste good money on a certification on Apologetics. He thought such an education was a complete waste of time and money, but he wanted to be nice so he just questionably smiled as I answered his questions. I could visibly see his restraint as I knew he wanted to unload on me about being a Christian. However, he continued in the small talk, until an old member of my church…

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Jesus was ignorant of the eschatology of the so called present “Christianity”

https://paarsurrey.wordpress.com/2009/06/07/and-then-shall-all-the-tribes-of-the-earth-mourn-and-they-shall-see-the-son-of-man-coming-in-the-clouds-of-heaven-with-power-and-great-glory/#comment-1020#comment-1020

methodus wrote:

I could not tell where Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s commentary ended and where your opinions began. that said, it is clear that he either knows nothing about Christian eschatology or was intentionally lying to his audience.

paarsurrey Says:

Hi friend methodus

It is all from Mirza Ghulam Ahmad 1835-1908- the Promised Messiah- Imam Mahdi – The Second Coming of Jesus. In his first Coming Jesus never knew anything about Christian eschatology as the present “Christianity” was never founded by Jesus but by clever Paul and the Church. Jesus was a Jew and a follower of the teachings of Moses. It is therefore obvious that Jesus was neither aware of the eschatology of the so called “Christians” in his first coming; nor he needs it in the Second Coming. He is guided by the Word of Revelation from the Creator- God Allah YHWH and so he gives guidance to others very truthfully.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.

Thanks

I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim