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Nature, natural and supernatural

October 19, 2015

The etymology thereof:

Middle English (denoting the physical power of a person): from Old French, from Latinnatura ‘birth, nature, quality,’ from nat- ‘born,’ from the verb nasci .
Middle English (in the sense ‘having a certain status by birth’): from Old French, from Latin naturalis, from natura ‘birth, nature, quality’ (see nature).
supernatural (adj.) Look up supernatural at Dictionary.comearly 15c. “of or given by God,” from Medieval Latin supernaturalis “above or beyond nature, divine,” from Latin super “above” (see super-) + natura “nature” (see nature (n.)). Originally with more of a religious sense, “of or given by God, divine; heavenly;” association with ghosts, etc., has predominated since 19c. Related: Supernaturalism.

That is supernatural, whatever it be, that is either not in the chain of natural cause and effect, or which acts on the chain of cause and effect, in nature, from without the chain. [Horace Bushnell, “Nature and the Supernatural,” 1858]

supernatural (n.) Look up supernatural at Dictionary.com1729, “a supernatural being,” from supernatural (adj.). From 1830 as “that which is above or beyond the established course of nature.”

Origin and history of the term (Supernatural)

The term “supernatural” itself did not come to be used until the 15th century and means, when translated literally from the Latin roots, “above nature.”

In the original sense of the coinage, though, it had the connotation of something that was “of or given by god.” By the 19th century, its usage had expanded to include other non-material mythical beings such as ghosts, demons, etc.[5] It is, however, worth noting that the natural/supernatural distinction is not universal. Some cultures such as the Nayaka (of India) and the Ojibwe do not have a concept of the supernatural.[6]

Paarsurrey notes:

The word “supernatural” has no relation with Quran, everything created, being created and that which will be created by G-d is natural.


There weren’t any fatwas (edicts) at the time Muhammad lived

July 22, 2009‎allowed/‎
Hi friend Moooo

You said, “Is there any fatwa that forbid marrying a child?”‎

Please mind it, we are talking of Quran/Islam/Muhammad; there weren’t any fatwas ‎‎(edicts) at the time Muhammad lived. The natural Quranic Revelation was to be ‎followed. Since Muhammad did not do it as it was never commanded by God Allah ‎YHWH so it is not there; as simple as that.‎

I think it is now clear to everybody here.‎


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

There is not a single word of hatred in Quran about ‎Jesus and Mary

July 13, 2009‎largest-religion/‎

‎31. paarsurrey Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 11:29 pm

Hi friend Marie (refer # 30 above)

It is good to know that you are a deist; a believer in God.‎
I only worship God Allah YHWH. I don’t believe that Jesus was god; he was one of the ‎‎perfect men who walked on earth. Mary was also a woman; mother of Jesus who gave ‎‎birth to Jesus very naturally. Jesus did not die on Cross; he survived with the grace of ‎‎God Allah YHWH who always helps His Messengers Prophets , like He saved Jonah as ‎‎Jesus himself mentioned.

After getting saved his life Jesus migrated to India; there he lived upto the age of 120/125 ‎‎years and died there a natural and peaceful death.‎
I don’t understand as to why you should oppose Islam/Quran/Muhammad which mentions ‎‎of Jesus and Mary with love and affection; there is not a single word of hatred about ‎‎Jesus and Mary.

I love Jesus and Mary as mentioned in Quran.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

All human beings are just like a family in this little village called Earth

July 13, 2009

‎12. paarsurrey Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

May I ask you as to what were your faith, denomination, and religion before you ‎joined ‎the present one; please mention the name of the new ‎faith/denomination/religion also.

‎1.‎ Mumin Salih
‎2.‎ kenmirzz
‎3.‎ Poma
‎4.‎ Proudkafir
‎5.‎ Pathfinder
‎6.‎ A0000Z
‎7.‎ redjupiter58

I already know that friend Shafee al-Zindig was Hanafi Sunni (Deobandi or Brailvi; he ‎‎has not mentioned) and he is a freethinker as he described elsewhere.

Please don’t mind; no compulsion.

All human beings are just like a family in this little village called Earth; I don’t hate ‎‎anyone, rather I love them all.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Those who leave Islam in fact they were dissatisfied with the denomination of Islam they ‎belonged to; and, most probably not, against ‎Islam/Quran/Muhammad

July 13, 2009‎largest-religion/comment-page-1/#comment-16991‎

‎• 10. ibrahim Says
July 6th, 2009 at 4:34 pm

I was born in a Sunni Ahle Hadith family of Kashmir. I was a practicing Muslim till ‎‎about 3 years back. Being from an Ahle Hadith family, I was particularly unhappy with ‎‎blasphemers including Ahmedis, Agha Khanis, Dawoodi Bohras, and I considered all of ‎‎them fuel for hell fire. ‎
Thanks to FFI and my own intelligence, I got out of this cult called Islam. It took me ‎‎almost 3 years to get over my fear of hell fire as this was the last connecting link between ‎‎Islam and me.

‎29. paarsurrey Says
July 13th, 2009 at 12:36 pm

Hi friend Ibrahim (# 10 above), a brother in humanity

It is alright with me that you left Sunni Ahle Hadith denomination; who have a lot of ‎‎untruthful and irrational creeds that a sane person won’t like or rather abhorr it; so your ‎‎leaving Ahle Hadith denomination is quite understandable to me.

For instance the Ahle Hadith, I think, believe that one cannot leave Islam if one is not ‎‎convinced at heart and soul; and is bound to live a hypocritical life in Islam. It is totally ‎‎un-Islamic and Quran/Islam/Muhammad never supported it.

If one is unsatisfied and unconvinced with Islam/Quran/Muhammad; one should leave it. ‎‎One is not to be harmed just for not being satisfied with it or being unconvinced with it. ‎‎Similarly, one could join Islam again if one’s doubts about Islam/Quran/Muhammad ‎‎become clear.

I however would say that a person who has left Islam should now concentrate in one’s ‎‎new religion one has converted to. It is not a rational approach for him, in my opinion, to ‎‎become an enemy of Islam/Quran/Muhammad and start hating it. Those who do it, in fact ‎‎remain attached to Islam though negatively; perhaps they deep at their heart are not ‎‎perfectly satisfied and in peace with their new faith or religion.

They left Islam; but Islam does not leave them; one reason for such behavior could be ‎‎that they in fact were dissatisfied with the denomination of Islam they belonged to; their ‎‎grievance was with the specific denomination they were in; and not against ‎‎Islam/Quran/Muhammad in reality.

This is my sincere understanding; others could believe differently, no compulsion.

May GodAllahYHWH bless you!


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim ‎

Quran is the most rational and natural collection of Revelation; it recorded events and ‎‎instructions from God Allah YHWH as to what to do in a situation in brevity

July 11, 2009‎jews-of-medina-for-attacking-killing-muslims/‎

‎2. paarsurrey Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 11:43 am

Hi friends

Please quote a verse from Quran with the usual context of five preceding and five ‎‎follwing verses where such and incident is mentioned. Muhammad never did any ‎‎important act unless he received instructions from God Allah YHWH. In that sense ‎‎Quran is the most rational and natural collection of Revelation; it recorded event and ‎‎instructions from God Allah YHWH as to what to do in a situation in brevity, yet with ‎‎clarity together with sound reasons that appeal the conscience and phsyche of civilised ‎‎man of all ages under the sun.‎
All human beings are but a family; love for all, hatred for none.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Peace and unity would be restored in and with all ‎revealed religions by understanding of ‎Quran as rationally and logically stated by the Promised Messiah/ Imam Mahdi

July 10, 2009‎peace/comment-page-1/#comment-16947‎

‎4. paarsurrey Says:
July 11th, 2009 at 12:23 am ‎

Hi friends

Muhammad, the chief of all Messengers/Prophets, himself prophesized degradation of ‎‎Muslims at a distant future time; and that was described by him as a sign of the advent of ‎‎Masih, Messiah, Issa, Jesus, Christ, Ibne Maryam and the Imam Mahdi; the reformer of ‎‎all revealed religions.

The advent of the above meaningful names has taken place in the form of Mirza Ghulam ‎‎Ahmad 1835-1908.

Muhammad’s prophecy has been fulfilled and everybody is a witness to it.

All human beings are just a family; love for all, hatred for none.‎

Peace and unity would be restored in and with all ‎revealed religions by understanding of ‎Quran as rationally and logically stated by him.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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Quran – the remarkable Revelation from God Allah YHWH ‎

July 4, 2009

28. jonc Says:
July 2nd, 2009 at 11:36 pm ‎

What you say makes sense – right up to the point that the Sahih Hadith about the ‎collection of the Koran are introduced.

33. paarsurrey Says:
July 4th, 2009 at 8:19 pm

Hi friend jonc

As I have mentioned in the earlier post, Quran as the word means was the revelation ‎descended on the heart of Muhammad from God Allah YHWH and he was guaranteed ‎from Him that he need not worry about making strenuous effort to remember the ‎Revelation; he would remember it naturally and he would not forget it. From Muhammad ‎his companions learnt it by heart or committed it to their memory.Writing the revelation ‎was only an auxiliary measure adopted by Muhammad.

It was not made incumbent on Muhammad, in my opinion, by any clear verse in Quran to ‎commit it to writing; I don’t see any such verse in Quran. Muhammad and his ‎companions loved Quran and exactly as the word Quran meant they recited Quran very ‎often, in the prayers and even without it; this is not an unusual thing, upto our times this ‎practice continues among Muslims. The text of Quran was compiled already in the ‎memory of Muhammad and his companions in the same form as it is found in our times ‎without any change. It needed no further compilation or collection.

One could go to any Muslim Mosque in any part of the world; there one could find ‎persons who remember Quran by heart. One may take a copy of Quran with one and ‎request them to recite Quran from their memory. One would find that there is no ‎difference in the written and the recited Quran from the heart.

There are so many verses in Quran from God Allah YHWH which say that He had made ‎it very easy to learn Quran and to commit it to memory. The Creator has made the human ‎mind and memory aligned and attuned to remember Quran with ease and convenience. I ‎don’t think there is any other Book in the world of the size of Quran which is committend ‎to memory with love as the Muslims do with Quran, only because it is a natural ‎Revelation from God Allah YHWH and He has taken it on Himself that it would remain ‎secure and protected in all times to come.

The written Quran was and is but a reflection of the loving heart of Muhammad, his ‎companions and the faithful believers in the whole world. Nobody could scratch it out of ‎their hearts; howsoever one tries. Uthman only made it very convenient to understand for ‎those who were not familiar with it , due to the spread of Islam in other parts of the ‎world; his effort are undoubtedly laudable.

It is remarkable indeed.

Love for all; hatred for none. Humans are but a family.


I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

Quran – the Spoken Word of God, recorded naturally; remains secure and protected word ‎for word, letter for letter and dot for dot‎

July 1, 2009‎authentic/#comments

‎15. Ibn Kammuna Says:
June 30th, 2009 at 11:01 pm ‎

I do appreciate Ahmadis and their peaceful way of life.

Now, I would like to ask you something: When you look at how the Qur’an was ‎collected, and compare it to how the Hadith was collected, the conclusion that Mr. ‎Mumin Salih reaches is valid. Hadith is more reliable than the Qur’an.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Ibn Kammuna

I appreciate your words of sympathy for Ahmadis, who are being persecuted by ignorant ‎Traditional Muslims for nothing. May God Allah YHWH bless you!

Quran is Word of God revealed/descended on the heart of Muhammad under a ‎remarkable natural system, which no other “Book” in this world has ever had; and that ‎also proves that it is not authored by Muhammad; but it is from God Allah YHWH.

I don’t agree with the information given by Mumin Saleh about the collection of Quran in ‎his write up in the beginning of this discussion. I would like to mention the way the ‎Quran was revealed and that would also dispel any doubts in the mind of viewers of this ‎discussion about Quran:‎

The text of none of the sacred Scriptures, claimed to‎
have been revealed before the Quran, has been preserved intact.‎
They have all been interfered with to such an extent that an
earnest seeker after truth finds it impossible to adopt any of‎
them as a practical guide for right conduct. In contrast with
this, the text of the Quran has been preserved intact and every
word of it has come down to us as free from interference and
interpolation as when it was revealed to the Holy Prophet
one thousand four hundred years ago.‎

The Quran began to be revealed at the outset of the Mission
of the Holy Prophet. The first revelation, comprising only a
few verses, was received by him in the Hira Cave. Thereafter
the revelation continued till his death. Thus the total period
during which the entire Quran was revealed extended to
twenty-three years. ‎

We know, on the basis of the testimony of
his contemporaries, that in the beginning revelation came to the
Prophet at intervals and in small bits, but as time passed it
grew both in volume and in frequency till in the last years
of his life it swelled into an almost continuous stream. ‎

One reason for this, among others, was that the teachings contained
in this revelation were altogether novel and it was not easy
for people to grasp their full significance. Therefore the Quran
was revealed in small portions in the beginning. But after
the basic principles of Islam had been fully grasped and it
became comparatively easy for people to understand the teachings
and the topics dealt with in the Quran, the revelation began‎
to arrive faster and in larger volume. ‎

The object was that all
Muslims should be enabled fully to grasp the teachings of the
Quran. Another reason was that the number of Muslims was
very small in the beginning and, as God intended that the text
of the Quran should be scrupulously preserved and that it
should not become the subject of any doubt, only small portions
were revealed at a time in the beginning and there was always
an interval, sometimes extending to several months, between
the revelation of one group of verses and the next. ‎

In this manner the few Muslims were enabled to commit the whole
revelation to memory, so as to place the matter of the preservation‎
of the text beyond doubt. When the number of Muslims
began to increase and the safe-guarding and preservation of the
text of the Quran became easier, the revelation began to arrive
faster. ‎

Towards the close of the Holy Prophet’s life the number
of Muslims exceeded a hundred thousand and the memorizing
of the Quran became very easy. At that time the revelation
came faster still. By this divine plan the purity of the text of
the Quran was placed beyond doubt.‎

During the Caliphate of ‘Uthman seven copies of the Quran‎
were despatched to different parts of the Muslim world and they
in turn became the standard texts from which other copies were
made and thereafter in each generation hundreds of thousands
of people have been in the habit of committing the entire text
of the Quran to memory. ‎

Even the bitterest enemies of Islam
do not allege that any interference with the text of the Quran has
taken place since the time of ‘Uthman. Those who seek to
raise doubts regarding the purity of the text of the Quran direct
their criticism to the period between the death of the Holy
Prophet and the Caliphate of ‘Uthman.‎

Whenever any portion of the Quran was revealed to the Holy
Prophet, he used to commit it to memory and, as he continuously
recited the Quran from one end to the other, he always
carried the whole of the revealed Quran at all times in his
memory. In addition to this the following devices were
adopted for safe-guarding and preserving intact the text of
the Quran :‎

I think it reasonably explains that the text of the Quran as spoken by God Allah YHWH ‎to Muhammad is secure without any doubt.‎
Love for all; hatred for none.


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How would you define “good, free and right”? Anybody please

June 7, 2009

What kind of hope do Atheists have?

Ron Ash, our Agnostic friend says:

I belong to all denominations and no denominations. My faith is that of hope, love and faith. Truth is my religion. Jesus advises me and I am guided by angels to do what God sends me to do. I Am an Apostle and all that it means to be.
Tell me a little about yourself.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend Ron Ash

I don’t think it is a consistent or natural and scientific stance. It is good that you have a hope, love and faith.

How does Jesus advise you or angels from God Allah YHWH guide you.

Do you think you are an Apostle like Paul or Joseph Smith or you are different from them?

What kind of hope do Atheists have?

It is good that Truth is your religion.

David Woodford says:

Hope for a good and enjoyable life, free to do whatever one feels is right.

Paarsurrey says:

Hi friend David Woodford

Welcome to paarsurrey blog.

How would you define “good, free and right”, please? How would the human beings achieve these objectives more easily than others, according to the Agnostics and Athiests?


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